Probably but could fluid just not be discharged onto the tracks. I always imagined the real problem with the old flush everything to track system was for the track and rolling stock maintenance staff.
This is a far more sensible solution, I've seen the these trolleys being pulled around the platform at Manchester Airport. Dumping human liquid waste is still very unhygienic for the track workers, other tocs using civicitys will have this issue in the future.
Firstly urine can carry infectious diseases. Secondly liquidised excrement would also be included in the liquid dumped. Not at all good for track workers. Thirdly the flexibility offered means that it would become a regular occurrence. Finally would emptying a retention tank with a much higher proportion of solids than is the norm cause issues?
That'll be hard considering they're the same train minus the engines!
331s ride much better in my experience. Still noisy and clanky, but not as rough.
Yes I see - perhaps fit bigger tanks then?
The first Civity that I rode an was a 331. It was also on pretty reliable track, - Doncaster to Leeds yet I (and the two others also trying them out for the first time) thought that they were jittery and poorly damped. Since then rides on 195 and even a 397 have confirmed that there's something fundamentally wrong with the CAF inside bogie setup or even it's basic design. It's not like that type of bogie is a new and innovative design, CAF's competitors managed to deliver EMUs, DMUs and even DEMUs that run perfectly well on UK track years ago.
In terms of being a newer train, having air conditioning etc. yes, absolutely.
I have to say with respect to your second para that you would likely be in a bloody small minority. The 195s are far from perfect but they are generations ahead of 150s.
I would not disagree a single word of your first para.
The ride l would agree. Pretty much nothing else though.
Most mk3s like 319s and 321s were the same, horrible low, angled seats with poor legroom and poor window alignment. We had the misfortune of suffering them on Anglia for yearsbut of course on these forums you could never complain about that because many more users suffered pacers and sprinters.
195/331’s are carpeted throughout. Seat covers are being replaced by moquette.
Can't believe my memory failed me like that. I last took one in March. They are decent trains is all, but not 185 exceptional.
The crumb trap… never noticed it before but I am sat on one now. And I see what you mean. Also I’ve just made a sandwich, so I suppose I’ve added to it.
Is this what happens? That does seem rather questionable on a 1 toilet per unit set up. Bearing in mind it will be rare anything goes down the hole other than water and a bit of soap, this does seem like a good way to get what maybe 1/4 more use out of the tank?
Could there be a designated **** hole that works in reverse of how water used to be picked up by steam locos? With the toilets set up to auto dump as they cross the **** hole?
What a bizarre suggestion. There's a lot of difference between scooping up water from a trough fed by the main and dumping solid human waste at high speed over the track. We are at last getting rid of rolling stock that sprays the 'brown mist' everywhere, so any suggestion of creating yet more hazardous waste is ridiculous.
My main experience of 331's is Doncaster to Bentley, they're somewhat twitchy and jerky on the points off Platform 4 in the same places where the 321's used to roll and flop about, so they've replaced one slightly irritating tendency with another.
