Gobowen-Capenhurst SDS allows travel to Crewe?

[Terrafire]

Just want someone to check my interpretation of the NRG here. The SDS to Nantwich and the one to Crewe are both £14.70. However, the £9.10 SDS to Capenhurst (up in Merseyrail land) allows travel via Crewe, AND allows break of journey so it can be used as a single to Crewe or Nantwich (even if one is technically supposed to get back on at some point!). Is this right?

This happened because, surprisingly, Shrewsbury is a valid routeing point for Gobowen for this journey as the SDS to Capenhurst is only £8.50, despite it being ages further away...

 

[northwichcat]

Booking engines show it as valid via Shrewsbury and Wrexham but invalid via Shrewsbury and Crewe.

 

[Terrafire]

The East Coast website (presumably all 'mixing deck' sites) sells it when you put Crewe as a 'via' point. I didn't think to check the booking sites before. Maps are BC+CH.

Anyway, assuming this is right, am I OK to use it for a trip to Crewe with no intention of going near Capenhurst? And could I use its inverse to go back again?

 

[b0b]

Anyway, assuming this is right, am I OK to use it for a trip to Crewe with no intention of going near Capenhurst? And could I use its inverse to go back again?

if the ticket allows for break of journey, yes.

 

[northwichcat]

The East Coast website (presumably all 'mixing deck' sites) sells it when you put Crewe as a 'via' point. I didn't think to check the booking sites before. Maps are BC+CH.

Not quite. If you enter via Crewe it still shows the trains via Wrexham as well as the ones via Crewe. Then when you click on the 'Standard Day Single' it shows the via Crewe options as unavailable for your selected ticket.

 

[Terrafire]

Actually what I'm getting is trains via Crewe only, some of which go via Shrewsbury (and are highlighted) and some which go via Chester to Crewe then doubleback to Chester (which are greyed).

Anyway, I have relatives in Crewe so I'll remember this one!

 

[LexyBoy]

if the ticket allows for break of journey, yes.

AIUI starting/stopping short is allowed whatever the BoJ conditions are - the NRCoC treats them as distinct things. The implication is that unless specifically forbidden (as is the case with Advance tickets), starting or finishing early is allowed whether or not break of journey is. That is, if BoJ is not allowed, you can get off en-route, but you won't be allowed back to complete the journey.

 

[MikeWh]

AIUI starting/stopping short is allowed whatever the BoJ conditions are - the NRCoC treats them as distinct things. The implication is that unless specifically forbidden (as is the case with Advance tickets), starting or finishing early is allowed whether or not break of journey is. That is, if BoJ is not allowed, you can get off en-route, but you won't be allowed back to complete the journey.

That's not how I read condition 16:

16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations
You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a return
ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for the trains you
want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in the case of a return
ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However, these rights may not apply to
some types of tickets for which a break of journey is prohibited, in which case the relevant
Train Companies will make this clear in their notices and other publications.
If you start, break and resume, or end your journey at an intermediate station
when you are not entitled to do so, you will be liable to pay an excess fare. This excess
fare will be the difference between the price paid for the ticket you hold and the price of
the lowest priced ticket(s) available for immediate travel that would have entitled you to
start, break and resume, or end your journey at that station on the service(s) you have
used.

My interpretation is that all three scenarios are collectively refered to as break of journey and would only be split if the conditions of a ticket specifically allowed one or two but not the other(s).

 

[yorkie]

,,,even if one is technically supposed to get back on at some point!...

There is no such requirement, technical or otherwise!