Absolutely terrified about fare evasion

[Deafdoggie]

I sent the letter first class signed for to make sure it gets there asap. Might it be worth calling them in a weeks time or so to check they received my response?

Thank you

Signed for is just normal mail that's signed for. It's no faster. Special Delivery is guaranteed nextday.

 

[Green1746]

Signed for is just normal mail that's signed for. It's no faster. Special Delivery is guaranteed nextday.

I sent it first class though so I think it’s safe to assume they would receive it within 2-3 days at the latest.

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Probably easier to check the Royal Mail website (https://www.royalmail.com/track-your-item) to make sure that it's been delivered. If the railway then act as if they haven't had your response, you can point out when they accepted delivery of it.

Is it possible to do this with signed for mail?

Thanks

 

[Deafdoggie]

I sent it first class though so I think it’s safe to assume they would receive it within 2-3 days at the latest.

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Is it possible to do this with signed for mail?

Thanks

There is no guaranteed delivery date with First Class. The AIM is next day, but it's 28 days before officially classed as lost.
You can check to see it's been signed for, but you get no other tracking information. So if it's not signed for you know it's not there. But you've no idea when it will be.

 

[Hadders]

I sent it first class though so I think it’s safe to assume they would receive it within 2-3 days at the latest.

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Is it possible to do this with signed for mail?

Thanks

Yes you can. The Post Office always try and get you to send letters by Special Delivery which guarantees delivery the next day but costs about £8. Signed For goes through the normal post and costs about £1 extra for a signature showing when it was delivered. This can be used on both 1st and 2nd class post. The Post Office don't really publicise this service.

 

[Deafdoggie]

Yes you can. The Post Office always try and get you to send letters by Special Delivery which guarantees delivery the next day but costs about £8. Signed For goes through the normal post and costs about £1 extra for a signature showing when it was delivered. This can be used on both 1st and 2nd class post. The Post Office don't really publicise this service.

A problem with Signed For, is that any compensation is limited to the value of what was sent. In this case a sheet of paper.
With Special Delivery you can, for a small additional fee admittedly, pay for consequential loss insurance. This would cover if the letter were late and missed the deadline and the case went to court. The costs of this consequence would be covered. Which is why Special Deliveries are so rarely late!
Of course, if just sending a letter with no consequences then signed for is fine, but arguably so is first class. As signed for doesn't really add anything.

 

[Ediswan]

With Special Delivery you can, for a small additional fee admittedly, pay for consequential loss insurance. This would cover if the letter were late and missed the deadline and the case went to court. The costs of this consequence would be covered.

That might not be so easy to claim on. For starters, you only have 14 days to make a claim, which need to include proof of the value of the loss. Would a court case be decided within 14 days ?

https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/postage-compensation

Make your claims through Royal Mail Customer Services within 14 days of posting. You’ll need to provide the receipt for purchase as well as proof of the value of the indirect loss in order to make a claim.

 

[Deafdoggie]

That might not be so easy to claim on. For starters, you only have 14 days to make a claim, which need to include proof of the value of the loss. Would a court case be decided within 14 days ?

https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/postage-compensation

If you start the claim within 14 days they can agree in principle and what they will pay for exactly going forward.

 

[AlbertBeale]

A problem with Signed For, is that any compensation is limited to the value of what was sent. In this case a sheet of paper.
With Special Delivery you can, for a small additional fee admittedly, pay for consequential loss insurance. This would cover if the letter were late and missed the deadline and the case went to court. The costs of this consequence would be covered. Which is why Special Deliveries are so rarely late!
Of course, if just sending a letter with no consequences then signed for is fine, but arguably so is first class. As signed for doesn't really add anything.

If the item doesn't have intrinsic value - ie it's just a piece of paper - but there are legal implications depending on whether or not it's arrived and you can prove it, then signed for certainly does add something, ie exactly that (proof, rather than an assumption, that it was received). Though note that you can get just proof of posting (without any record of delivery) for free if you post it at a Post Office counter, and there are certain legal presumptions that a document will be deemed to have been received within a certain period after it was posted; though for the sake of the odd pound or so for Recorded Delivery (signed for), it's better for peace of mind to get actual proof of delivery.

In my experience, an item needing signing for does very occasionally get delivered without signed proof getting into the system - but it seems rare.

 

[Green1746]

Hi everyone,

I’d just like to let you all know that I received a fixed penalty notice of £90 + the £2 fare today in the post. I’m going to pay the settlement immediately and I’m glad I’ve had this experience to learn an important life lesson. I’ve since invested in a rail card as I plan to use the train more often, and I will not let this incident put me off train travel.

I’d also like to thank you all for the support and advice. This is a really nice community here and I’m so grateful for everything, I can’t even begin to explain it. I’m just very glad I can now put this behind me and focus on my studies.

Thank you all again for the support, it means so much

 

[Fawkes Cat]

Hi everyone,

I’d just like to let you all know that I received a fixed penalty notice of £90 + the £2 fare today in the post. I’m going to pay the settlement immediately and I’m glad I’ve had this experience to learn an important life lesson. I’ve since invested in a rail card as I plan to use the train more often, and I will not let this incident put me off train travel.

I’d also like to thank you all for the support and advice. This is a really nice community here and I’m so grateful for everything, I can’t even begin to explain it. I’m just very glad I can now put this behind me and focus on my studies.

Thank you all again for the support, it means so much

That sounds like a good result - thanks for letting us know.

 

[MikeWh]

Thank you for letting us know the outcome, and I'm pleased that you are happy with the result.

 

[Green1746]

That sounds like a good result - thanks for letting us know.

Thank you for letting us know the outcome, and I'm pleased that you are happy with the result.

Thank you

Just a quick question - do I have to do anything else like email them saying I’ve sent the payment? Or do I just pay the settlement and move on?

Thanks!

 

[Fawkes Cat]

Thank you

Just a quick question - do I have to do anything else like email them saying I’ve sent the payment? Or do I just pay the settlement and move on?

Thanks!

As far as I know, all you have to do is pay the settlement. If they have an online system, it will ask you for the case reference (or similar) so that they will know what the payment is for. If they want a cheque posted to them, then include a covering note giving the case reference write the case reference (or similar) on the back of the cheque just in case.

However you pay them, keep a note of when and how you did it, just in case something goes wrong: that way if there's any argument you'll be able to show that you have paid after all.

(Edited to include @Titfield 's sensible point from post #74 below.)

 

[Titfield]

As far as I know, all you have to do is pay the settlement. If they have an online system, it will ask you for the case reference (or similar) so that they will know what the payment is for. If they want a cheque posted to them, then include a covering note giving the case reference just in case.

However you pay them, keep a note of when and how you did it, just in case something goes wrong: that way if there's any argument you'll be able to show that you have paid after all.

If you pay by cheque write the case reference (or similar) on the back of the cheque. This is in case your covering note becomes separated from the cheque in the companys post receiving room.

 

[Green1746]

As far as I know, all you have to do is pay the settlement. If they have an online system, it will ask you for the case reference (or similar) so that they will know what the payment is for. If they want a cheque posted to them, then include a covering note giving the case reference write the case reference (or similar) on the back of the cheque just in case.

However you pay them, keep a note of when and how you did it, just in case something goes wrong: that way if there's any argument you'll be able to show that you have paid after all.

(Edited to include @Titfield 's sensible point from post #74 below.)

If you pay by cheque write the case reference (or similar) on the back of the cheque. This is in case your covering note becomes separated from the cheque in the companys post receiving room.

Thank you both, I’ve paid online and have taken pictures of the reference numbers provided, the bank statement saying I’ve paid it etc. I’m glad to be able to move on from this now.

Thanks again

 

[shepardspies]

Hello everyone - I have a similar situation and would really appreciate any engagement with my post ! Getting a bit anxious - but truly understand what I did was wrong!

 

[Hadders]

Hello everyone - I have a similar situation and would really appreciate any engagement with my post ! Getting a bit anxious - but truly understand what I did was wrong!

Can you start your own thread with details of your case and forum members will be happy be assist.

 

[shepardspies]

Can you start your own thread with details of your case and forum members will be happy be assist.

Hi Hadders! Thanks for your prompt reply - I just posted so it should be on my page - new to the forum so not sure now I can refer you back to it - Thank you once again!

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