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One thing I don't particularly understand is why Dumfries now have a random Plaxton Panther for the X74 (54101), wouldn't it have been better to cascade an extra Elite instead?

I'm saying this because I had the displeasure of having 54101 appear on a southbound X74, and I felt extremely nauseous upon getting off due to the fact there was no fresh air flowing through the coach, which made it get that horrible stuffy way. The coach itself also felt extremely dated internally compared to the Interdecks and the Elites.
 
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One thing I don't particularly understand is why Dumfries now have a random Plaxton Panther for the X74 (54101), wouldn't it have been better to cascade an extra Elite instead?

I'm saying this because I had the displeasure of having 54101 appear on a southbound X74, and I felt extremely nauseous upon getting off due to the fact there was no fresh air flowing through the coach, which made it get that horrible stuffy way. The coach itself also felt extremely dated internally compared to the Interdecks and the Elites.
Why not ask the driver to turn the air con fans on?
 

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Is this an additional vehicle for x74 work or are Dumfries struggling with interdec availability again?
 

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Is this an additional vehicle for x74 work or are Dumfries struggling with interdec availability again?
It came down with the batch from East Scotland to replace the Interdecks at Dumfries

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Looks like 50403 is the first Panorama to receive Stagecoach Distance livery:


Image shows Panorama 50403 in Stagecoach Distance livery.

It seems to be missing the silver beachball. I can't get over the fact that without the beachball it looks like a giant schoolbus.
 
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I was not aware that Dumfries had had its interdecks transferred elsewhere although whilst in some senses a retrograde step in others this makes sense as the large the elderly glittery and tell that use the x74 in particular were not happy with them.


7 weeks ago there was a former Megabus example working the x74 as I had it, assume this also has now transferred away


Still seems a shame to take a dedicated fleet bought specially and replace it with older examples with a less comfortable interior spec
 

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I was not aware that Dumfries had had its interdecks transferred elsewhere although whilst in some senses a retrograde step in others this makes sense as the large the elderly glittery and tell that use the x74 in particular were not happy with them.


7 weeks ago there was a former Megabus example working the x74 as I had it, assume this also has now transferred away


Still seems a shame to take a dedicated fleet bought specially and replace it with older examples with a less comfortable interior spec
The Interdecks are still part of the West Scotland fleet, however all of them with the exception of 54209 have transferred to Cumbernauld. 54258 has been painted in Megabus Blue as has 54259.

Image shows 54259 in Megabus Blue.
Image shows 54258 in Megabus Blue.

The vast majority of the current X74 service should be operated by regular Elites up to a similar spec as the Interdecks (leather seating, charging points), but 54101 does come on most days too.
 

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Thanks for this detailed reply. I must have missed these movements at some point earlier


My parents will be pleased, they did not like the interdecks
 

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The Interdecks are still part of the West Scotland fleet, however all of them with the exception of 54209 have transferred to Cumbernauld. 54258 has been painted in Megabus Blue as has 54259.




The vast majority of the current X74 service should be operated by regular Elites up to a similar spec as the Interdecks (leather seating, charging points), but 54101 does come on most days too.
They're not in Megabus Blue, it's actually the base colour for the Citylink livery which is a darker shade. 54260 has since gained the full Citylink 6 Cities livery and vinyls.
 

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They're not in Megabus Blue, it's actually the base colour for the Citylink livery which is a darker shade. 54260 has since gained the full Citylink 6 Cities livery and vinyls.
I wonder how that would look. The new Citylink livery really does sit well on all the coaches that have it.

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Has Ardrossan taken over a run on the 14 from Ayr to Irvine? I’ve noticed recently that 28655 (Scania E300), 27720 (ADL E300) and 36151 (E200), which are all Ardrossan based buses have been making an appearance.
 
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I wonder how that would look. The new Citylink livery really does sit well on all the coaches that have it.

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Has Ardrossan taken over a run on the 14 from Ayr to Irvine? I’ve noticed recently that 28655 (Scania E300), 27720 (ADL E300) and 36151 (E200), which are all Ardrossan based buses have been making an appearance.
Yes it would appear so that in the meantime and I'm assuming down to driver shortages at Ayr, ardrossan are taking over the 14, e200mmc 37490,91 and 92 have transferred to ardrossan for the route too.
 

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Any update on the electric solos entering service at Kilmarnock?

Seems they have been parked up for ages!
 

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Enviro 400 MMC 10521 (SN16 OMH) has transferred over from Cumbernauld to Ardrossan, and it was sighted on the 18 service yesterday.

Was able to snap a quick picture of it:
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Image shows Enviro 400 MMC, 10521 in Saltcoats
However, it didn't last long as it was taken off at Saltcoats station and replaced by 15995 (Enviro 400, YN64 XSZ)
 

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Enviro 400 MMC 10521 (SN16 OMH) has transferred over from Cumbernauld to Ardrossan, and it was sighted on the 18 service yesterday.

Was able to snap a quick picture of it:
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However, it didn't last long as it was taken off at Saltcoats station and replaced by 15995 (Enviro 400, YN64 XSZ)
One of the Scanias. Coincidentally, 15995 carried go...Cumbernauld branding for a little while in 2016 while based at that depot (linked image from Flickr's haley111). Not sure if any other Scania E400s carried that branding.

 
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One of the Scanias. Coincidentally, 15995 carried go...Cumbernauld branding for a little while in 2016 while based at that depot (linked image from Flickr's haley111). Not sure if any other Scania E400s carried that branding.

15994 and 15996 also carried this branding. These were transfers from Oxford
 

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Is it me or does the Go Cumbernauld branding look pretty silly? The circles around the side seem to be randomly placed and don't work.
 
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Random questions and apologies if they’ve been asked before but have tried to look throughout and couldn’t find anything.

Does anyone know the best place to find which 900’s are run by Parks and which 900’s are run by Stagecoach? I know with the Stagecoach 900 ops moving to Kilmarnock it’s meant there’s a whole bunch of unusual stuff on it these days. I haven’t done the 900 since the Elites and Panther2’s were on it so I’m keen to get a proper 900 spec Panorama if I can.

Also see with the AIR is it basically just a branded route? Ie no different when it’s outside of Edinburgh Airport to the 900, but has the relevant increased fare for within the Airport. It shouldn’t matter to myself anyway as I have the NEC card, but just a thing I wanted to know for reference.

Finally what exactly is the issue that has led to Stagecoach’s chunk of the 900 move to Kilmarnock? I’ve heard maintenance related issues but it just feels a bit vague.

Cheers :)
When I worked there bout 6 months ago, I generally picked up from chatting to a few engineers that support wasn't there as an engineer but personally nor do I think they had the facilities or enough engineers to begin with not to mention the harsh treatment the Enviro 400s are getting on the x25s for the past 5 years, they have been a large pain for engineering, from Turbos leaking pressure or oil to gearboxes "slipping" because there getting hammered on the M80 but they aren't getting Transmission Oil changes when they should be, the way you indentify this problem, step on the accelerator and you'll get the engine revving but a delayed reaction from moving forward as if the gearbox is "slipping" into first gear, This is a sign that the Transmission Oil viscosity has deteriorated and therefore the Torque Convertor can't multiply engine torque swiftly.

The Enviro 400s & 300s they've got at Cumbernauld can be suitable for the type of express work there doing on the x19, x25 & x28, and I'm only saying this because First Glasgow have 65 plate 400s on many of there own motorway express services and don't have the same problems, however, the chosen models could be better regardless.

Cumbernauld depot had for example, Cummins, DAF & Volvo powered vehicles with either Voith, Volvo iShift or ZF AS-Tronic gearboxes, when you add many variables like that to a fleet, you create circumstances that means that no two fixes are the same even if the same type of part was to be faulty, hence when I said above that engineers had lack of support, you can be a qualified engineer, but usually its generic training, for example, somebody who directly is a Volvo engineer would most likely know the specialities regarding Volvo Engines that say a DAF or Cummins engineer would not know.

Budgets! Another big problem, in the time I spent at Cumbernauld I gained a good friend who I still speak to every day, I can't remember exactly the problem, but it was something to do with a part that was needed was apparently out of budget for the cost of the specific part, but the West Scotland director, Fiona Doherty, when questioning Cumbernauld engineering manager he was ordered to buy the parts that were needed, essentially she ment that the buses need to run regardless of the cost of the part, buy it, fit it and get it out on the road.

Let's not forget if Engineering Managers have a good financial year the benefit is a financial bonus for them.

Compare all that with Lothian who have had a mostly Volvo powered fleet, they chose Voith gearboxes for years, only just lately many of there newer buses have ZF gearboxes, it is massively beneficial when you standardise a fleet this way as well as continually supporting engineers with ongoing training, especially if you have a varied fleet.

At Cumbernauld specifically the problems have snowballed simply due to lack of enough engineers, I know an Ex-canavans engineer has moved from stagecoach Cumbernauld to McGills Coatbridge depot, as well as 2 other engineers who had left when I was there.
 
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I only hope that when the existing e400 at Cumbernauld come up for replacement that they look very carefully at what they're buying new, as these buses spend much of their time cruising on the motorway at at 50 + then NZ they need to be up to it. I take your point made earlier about them technically being up to it, but it's not all that pleasant from a passenger point of view either to be honest, a bit like being caught in the highest speed spin cycle of a washing machine when they're battering along at the full tilt and this was never the case with the Scans


Do ADL offer the ZF box which Lothian and in particular Lothian country are using on high-speed work as if they do then I would suggest from the point of view of a complete amateur that this might be better, the Lothian country b9 with the ZF equipment can hold its own at speed for long duration and doesn't appear to have so many faults
 
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I only hope that when the existing e400 at Cumbernauld come up for replacement that they look very carefully at what they're buying new, as these buses spend much of their time cruising on the motorway at at 50 + then NZ they need to be up to it. I take your point made earlier about them technically being up to it, but it's not all that pleasant from a passenger point of view either to be honest, a bit like being caught in the highest speed spin cycle of a washing machine when they're battering along at the full tilt and this was never the case with the Scans


Do ADL offer the ZF box which Lothian and in particular Lothian country are using on high-speed work as if they do then I would suggest from the point of view of a complete amateur that this might be better, the Lothian country b9 with the ZF equipment can hold its own at speed for long duration and doesn't appear to have so many faults
Generally speaking Stagecoach often bought Scania chassis for sustained high speed express routes. That memo didn’t reach Cumbernauld, perhaps having an Enviro 400 packed with a Cummins engine but limited to 50mph and 6 speed ZF would help limit any major wear and tear. The Cummins units don’t handle those too well and don’t often seem very durable units.

Scania are particularly well suited to high speed routes, a ZF 6 speed, a high torque 5-cylinder and modified axle, usually ticking at 1500rpm@56mph.
 
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I asked a question in this thread about a month ago and unusually for these forums didn’t get a reply. I will try again.

Does anyone know if the timetable for the 500 route from Dumfries to Stranraer is likely to be restored to something like its pre-covid levels for the summer? Four hour gaps in the timetable make it almost unusable for leisure purposes for touring the area and hopping on and off at interesting locations. It really will be very much the decider as to whether I book a hotel in the area or not this summer.
 

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I asked a question in this thread about a month ago and unusually for these forums didn’t get a reply. I will try again.

Does anyone know if the timetable for the 500 route from Dumfries to Stranraer is likely to be restored to something like its pre-covid levels for the summer? Four hour gaps in the timetable make it almost unusable for leisure purposes for touring the area and hopping on and off at interesting locations. It really will be very much the decider as to whether I book a hotel in the area or not this summer.
I think there was another route, the X75 but I think that's gone too. Hopefully its increased before the summer.
 

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Generally speaking Stagecoach often bought Scania chassis for sustained high speed express routes. That memo didn’t reach Cumbernauld, perhaps having an Enviro 400 packed with a Cummins engine but limited to 50mph and 6 speed ZF would help limit any major wear and tear. The Cummins units don’t handle those too well and don’t often seem very durable units.

Scania are particularly well suited to high speed routes, a ZF 6 speed, a high torque 5-cylinder and modified axle, usually ticking at 1500rpm@56mph.
While I completely agree that Scania would likely have been a better option I don’t suppose the decision would have been for Cumbernauld to make!
 

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I asked a question in this thread about a month ago and unusually for these forums didn’t get a reply. I will try again.

Does anyone know if the timetable for the 500 route from Dumfries to Stranraer is likely to be restored to something like its pre-covid levels for the summer? Four hour gaps in the timetable make it almost unusable for leisure purposes for touring the area and hopping on and off at interesting locations. It really will be very much the decider as to whether I book a hotel in the area or not this summer.
I think you should contact Stagecoach Western through their customer service channels and if you don't receive a satisfactory answer you could ask your MSP or local councillors to follow up your enquiry.
While I completely agree that Scania would likely have been a better option I don’t suppose the decision would have been for Cumbernauld to make!
We can only assume the big groups have been put off Volvo and Scania products because it's too expensive to buy the vehicles and the parts. To the ordinary Joe it makes little difference whether they're travelling on an Volvo B8/E400MMC or Wright Streetdeck as it does the same job for them. Personally I thought the Volvo Olympian Royales performed the best on the Cumbernauld to Glasgow routes from KCB and early First days but the seating on todays buses are much better.
 

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How come the 500 service seems to continuously lack coaches? Instead it’s a regular Enviro 300 more often than not.

Isn’t the service meant to be operated by coaches?
 

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Anyone know/guess where the 39 Zero Emission buses are likely to operate?
As Glasgow has a Clean Air Zone - I though jt it might be X19/X25 but from what I am hearing, Electric buses might not have the range for all day operation??
Also I note that Western were awarded funding ('BEAR scheme') for 31 euro 6 upgrades, presumably the newest non euro 6 vehicles?
 
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Anyone know/guess where the 39 Zero Emission buses are likely to operate?
As Glasgow has a Clean Air Zone - I though jt it might be X19/X25 but from what I am hearing, Electric buses might not have the range for all day operation??
Also I note that Western were awarded funding ('BEAR scheme') for 31 euro 6 upgrades, presumably the newest non euro 6 vehicles?
a dead journey from Cumbernauld to Easterhouse alone is between 10 & 15 miles depending on what way you go, then theres the return journey, a minimum of 20 miles alone for running light, some of the evening journeys are also going from QEUH to Cumbernauld which is more than 15 miles.

In service the x19 covers around 10-11 miles one way, so it depends entirely how long the running boards are if range is not to be an issue, Yutongs & 1 or 2 other vehicles out there are able to cover up to 300miles a day.

I’m more curious about the long term durability of electric buses if they are used on express work constantly.

The Ember electric coach should be a good judge of this as the years pass.

Personally I think Longer distance vehicles like Coaches & Trucks should be the last to be pressured into going Green.

It’s easier to electrify cars than coaches or trucks.
 
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Anyone know/guess where the 39 Zero Emission buses are likely to operate?
As Glasgow has a Clean Air Zone - I though jt it might be X19/X25 but from what I am hearing, Electric buses might not have the range for all day operation??
Also I note that Western were awarded funding ('BEAR scheme') for 31 euro 6 upgrades, presumably the newest non euro 6 vehicles?
The X19 and X25 services are already operated with Euro 6 vehicles.
 

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The X19 and X25 services are already operated with Euro 6 vehicles.
I know that, my speculation was where new electric might go also where Euro 6 upgrades would be allocated.
Am I right in thinking Buchannon Street bus station can accessed without going into LEZ/CAZ?
 
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