railfan458sw
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why does it take a while to go from mile end to stratford. it took 2 mins and 54s can someone explain. in detail
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why does it take so long from mile end to stratford?? (centeral line)
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ANDREW_D_WEBB
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Maybe because Mile End to Stratford are, by Underground Standards, a long distance apart.
Dstock7080
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2.83km scheduled 3½min
railfan458sw
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could you explain more. And also about the route. does the central line go around a longer bend under the tunnels towards stratford??
pdeaves
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Mile End to Stratford is quite straight, as far as I am aware; not especially wiggly. The places are, simply, a long way apart!
Could you explain why you're describing it as too long?
What would be 'normal' in your opinion, and how would you calculate that expectation?
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Perhaps it doesn't look all that far on a "not to scale" diagrammatic London Underground map!
hexagon789
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That's about 30.50mph which isn't bad for the Underground. Or at the OP's time of 2m 54s - 37.6mph, positively blistering!
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The 2.83km between Mile End and Stratford would be the third longest distance between two stations wholly underground on the system but of course the Central Line surfaces to arrive at Stratford. The longest underground is Heathrow T4 to Heathrow T1/2 (4.31km) followed by Finsbury Park to Seven Sisters (3.15km).
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The trains will be doing 65kph (max speed in the tunnel section on the Central)That's about 30.50mph which isn't bad for the Underground. Or at the OP's time of 2m 54s - 37.6mph, positively blistering!
AlbertBeale
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If that's the maximum in a Central Line tunnel, then an average of not far short of 60kph station-station seems good to me! And the official schedule suggests an average of close to 50kph.
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Hang on - I see that people are quoting the same distance from Bethnal Green to Mile End as from Mile End to Stratford.... Is there some confusion in the figures here? Now I stop to think (it's not a route i use often), it is indeed Bethnal Green to Mile End which is the really uncommonly long hop.
It's very clear just looking at Carto Metro with my Mk1 Eye Balls that Bethnal Green to Mile End is quite a bit shorter than Mile End to Stratford.
Dstock7080
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Mile End-Bethnal Green 1.64km
A comparison with above ground could be helpful here.
Liverpool Street-Stratford is 4 miles 3 chains, with Bethnal Green at 1 mile 10 chains and the old Mile End sand terminal at 2 miles 2 chains.
The Central Line route is slightly less direct than above ground, with only two intermediate stations at Bethnal Green and Mile End. The Central Line stations are a bit further from Liverpool Street and closer to Stratford than their above ground equivalents.
Above ground Liverpool Street-Stratford running time is typically 7 minutes. If a Central Line train can match 7 minutes of running time between Liverpool Street and Stratford, then roughly half of that is going to be between Mile End and Stratford.
I'd say less than 3 minutes Mile End to Stratford is impressively quick!
And, when the OP is next in London, I suggest that they try Finsbury Park-Seven Sisters.
Liverpool Street-Stratford is 4 miles 3 chains, with Bethnal Green at 1 mile 10 chains and the old Mile End sand terminal at 2 miles 2 chains.
The Central Line route is slightly less direct than above ground, with only two intermediate stations at Bethnal Green and Mile End. The Central Line stations are a bit further from Liverpool Street and closer to Stratford than their above ground equivalents.
Above ground Liverpool Street-Stratford running time is typically 7 minutes. If a Central Line train can match 7 minutes of running time between Liverpool Street and Stratford, then roughly half of that is going to be between Mile End and Stratford.
I'd say less than 3 minutes Mile End to Stratford is impressively quick!
And, when the OP is next in London, I suggest that they try Finsbury Park-Seven Sisters.
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Hi, Could you describe your journey (In detail!!). Was the train you were on held or slowed down by signals en-route for example. Were you held before climbing up into the daylight platform at Stratford because your train had to wait for the train in front to depart and had been held in the platform.
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Yes thanks, not wholly awake yesterday (I blame the clock changes
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hexagon789
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Which is a timetabled 28.1km/h or 17.5mph. At 2m 54s then it's 33.9km/h or 21.1mph. Which seems far more in keeping with what you'd expect on the Underground given the average scheduled speed on the network is 33km/h?
railfan458sw
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yes on the 1st run to mile end it took 2 mins 54 but going back to stratford we slowed down and stopped halfway wich i recoded up to 2 mins and 47s . and when the train started moving again it took an additional 43 secs to get to stratford sp 2m 47s + 43s for the second run
When they built the Victoria Line, did they want to keep it "fast" or was there nothing between Finsbury Park and Seven Sisters that justified a station?
AlbertBeale
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Though when comparing station-station average speed with overall average speed, I'm assuming that the latter is an end-to-end average for running along a whole line - which includes station stops. When working out an average speed between adjacent stations, neither station dwell time is included - hence this speed will be higher, and more in line with possible line speeds, than the overall average speed for a line.
Wow I never thought it was that long but I got my friend in London to time it today around 1400 and with no train infront (for at least 3 minutes he said since he got off the district line) it took 3:16 from door close to door release with noticeable regulation.
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It's taken me more than 2m 54s to read this thread. Is that especially slow?
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I think the highest scheduled speed between two station stops is Finchley Road to Harrow-on-the-Hill. It is 11.63km (7.23 miles) and has a schedule of 11 minutes (so 39.4mph). Unsurprisingly it is the longest distance between two scheduled stops on the system. Seven Sisters to Finsbury Park (3.15km, 1.96 miles) is scheduled at 4 minutes (29.3mph) but strangely in the reverse direction it has a schedule of 5.3 minutes (22.0mph).
In view of my earlier post, Errors and Omissions excepted!
In view of my earlier post, Errors and Omissions excepted!
Having just read this thread all the way through, I must admit this made me laugh out loud!
hexagon789
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Very true, but even including dwells, some reasonable averages are achieved given the numerous speed restrictions to considerably lower than "linespeed". The Central line doesn't even run at linespeed normally anyway since the Chancery Lane incident.
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And I've found one.In view of my earlier post, Errors and Omissions excepted!
Debden to Theydon Bois, 3.38km, 2.08 miles, is scheduled for three minutes, so 41.5mph.
There is already a station at Manor House on the Piccadilly Line which sits between Finsbury Park and Seven Sisters.
I did once read an observation that Manor House would be better served by the Victoria Line which has longer trains than the Piccadilly Line.
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Not sure if it’s true or not but I did once hear that one of the options investigated with the construction of the Victoria line was for the Victoria line to have a station at Manor House (as indeed it passes through the existing station footprint and shares an electricity substation with the Piccadilly line at this location), and the Piccadilly line to run in new tunnels, with a new station at Harringay Green Lanes, but also offering a more direct route than going via Manor House.
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