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Over-distance excess on Avanti "Standard Premium"

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itfcfan

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I travelled from Milton Keynes (MKC) to Helsby (HSB) today via Warrington Bank Quay (WBQ). I wanted to reserve a seat on one of Avanti's "Standard Premium" carriages before I travelled, so I booked a Standard Premium advance from MKC to WBQ for £63.70. When I got to MKC station, I tried to excess the fare through to HSB without success.

The friendly ticket clerk had a look at my ticket (an e-ticket) and after half a minute said he couldn't excess it because it was a Standard Premium fare. I asked if it couldn't be treated as either a standard fare or a first class fare and excessed that way and he said no. He told me it was a special Avanti fare so I'd need to speak to them to excess it. Given the MKC ticket office is run by London North-Western, there was no option to try an Avanti-run ticket office.

The standard class off-peak single from MKC to HSB costs £66.10 (exactly the same as the MKC to WBQ off-peak single fare). The first class off-peak single from MKC to HSB costs £147.70 (£4.10 more than the MKC to WBQ fare of £143.60). I was hoping for a zero priced excess but didn't have much hope before I approached the ticket office. I was sold a £7 WBQ to HSB ticket and told I could complain to Avanti.

Some questions...

1) Is it correct that Avanti Standard Premium fares cannot be excessed? Or is there something the ticket clerk could have done?

2) If this fare can't be excessed, is there a way to combine a pre-booked standard premium fare on Avanti with a non-Avanti connection on one ticket? On Virgin Trains their advances used to have "& connections" but I can't see this for Avanti's standard premium fares.

3) If the fare could have been excessed, is there any way I can go about claiming some (or all?) of the WBQ to HSB fare back?
 
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1. I’d hope they’d be treated like normal Advance fares, ie changeable date and time for a tenner. But ISTR you can’t apply an overdistance excess to any Advance fare.

2. Currently no Avanti & connections fares available in Standard Premium. Split ticketing is the way to go with this.

3. In theory an Off Peak (or Anytime) fare could have been excessed in such a manner.

I’ll end by saying that sometimes, things not really permitted can be done if the computer says yes, and vice versa.
 

Mcr Warrior

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Helsby is not served by Avanti trains, is it, just TfW? And the Standard Premium product is only ever available on Avanti West Coast services. Or am I missing something?
 

Haywain

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Advance tickets, regardless of class of travel, cannot be excesses to change the origin or destination.
 

Starmill

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Unfortunately your options are as follows:
- Buy an Advance ticket to Helsby in Standard and travel in Standard
- Buy an flexible ticket to Helsby and then ask to reserve a seat in Standard Premium, paying the supplement onboard the train
- Buy a Standard Premium Advance to Warrington and pay extra for the separate ticket to Helsby

We don't have the prices, so we can't say which of these would have been the cheapest, or cheapest out of the latter two, for your journey.

In general, I'd say that the best solution if you travelled frequently would be to book the flexible ticket and just hope for a free seat in Standard Premium. Obviously that might be undesirable for you but the record of it being full seems very thin. Also, the record of the supplement actually being collected is rather low.
 

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As others have said, you can’t over distance excess an advance ticket. You must by a wholly new ticket to complete the rest of the journey.
 
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