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tigerroar

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I'm thinking of going on a holiday to Spain, near to Malaga. There appears to be a railway between my resort and Malaga Airport and Malaga itself which is handy. However I've looked on trainline for times and prices and it's coming back with no services. Is there a problem with the line to Fuengirola?

Added to this, when I go I'm thinking of trying the high speed train from Malaga to Madrid for a day trip. Is this a reasonable cost / frequent / friendly to non-Spanish speakers?

Thanks :)
 
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That's disappointly expensive for a trip to Madrid :(

The distance is similar to Newcastle to London. It's hardly a short trip and AVE's main competitor is the plane. The route is priced accordingly.
Booking well in advance can get return tickets a fair bit under one hundred Euros.

AVE is reasonably user friendly and the trains are nice. You'll go through airport style security at the high-speed section of train stations so turn up with time to spare.

The Malaga Airport train is still operating. It runs around every 20 minutes throughout the day. You just can't buy tickets online.
 

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Trains from Malaga to Fuengirola are well patronised and very frequent. The line is electrified and runs via Torremolinos and Benalmadena. RENFE Class 464 units are used.
 

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I spend half the year in Malaga - currently on both the Cercanias Lines (including the C1 to Fuengirola) there is a shortage of drivers which is impacting the timetable. Some of the timetabled services currently aren't running leaving quite a few 40 minute gaps in the off peak timetable, There is a to be a partial restoration in February but there will be some 40 minute gaps remaining for some time yet
 

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The Fuengirola stopper (calling at the Airport) is a very frequented service that is only 3 tph because it has single-track sections and only a 3-car 463 because some platforms can't fit more cars.
 

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I don't know if you're over 60 or not - but if you are, you can purchase a "Tarjeta Dorada" railcard for a few euros from Renfe. It is valid throughout Spain and allows you to make a certain number of journeys (I believe 8 but i am not sure about that figure) at up to 40% discount - so it could substantially reduce the cost of a train trip to Madrid. I wouldn't use it on the local Cercanias trains in Malaga as they are cheap enough. You just need to take your passport to a Renfe ticket office and purchase it. When using it to get the discount, you need to present the card when booking a ticket at a ticket office as I don't think the online website allows you to get the discount. I also think you need to pay for the card in cash. The last time I bought it, it cost €8.00 but that was 3 years ago.
 

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Just before COVID really kicked off in March 2020 I spent a week at Torremolinos outside Malaga. I also did a day trip to Madrid on the AVE and used the local train to Malaga and Fuengirola. La Colina was my "local" station for the week.

Some pictures from the trip are at https://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/International/2020/Spanish-Trip-Malaga-and-Madrid/i-pBJKSMP

Enjoy it!
Those pictures took me back and I'm getting quite restive... another holiday in S Spain definitely beckons, we have definitely got that high on our list.
I don't know if you're over 60 or not - but if you are, you can purchase a "Tarjeta Dorada" railcard for a few euros from Renfe. It is valid throughout Spain and allows you to make a certain number of journeys (I believe 8 but i am not sure about that figure) at up to 40% discount - so it could substantially reduce the cost of a train trip to Madrid. I wouldn't use it on the local Cercanias trains in Malaga as they are cheap enough. You just need to take your passport to a Renfe ticket office and purchase it. When using it to get the discount, you need to present the card when booking a ticket at a ticket office as I don't think the online website allows you to get the discount. I also think you need to pay for the card in cash. The last time I bought it, it cost €8.00 but that was 3 years ago.
A very useful tip thanks. With the loss of most FIP free tickets (coupons) on retirement - and no privs on Cercanias anyway - we might still find the "Tarjeta Dorada" would pay for itself. I presume you can buy a succession of them when you use the 8 journies?

Whilst thinking about the new AVE lines vs the old routes: We had a great trip on the old line from Malaga to Ronda up the gorge -
but we had to hire a car to do the caminito del Rey https://www.spain.info/en/hiking-trails/caminito-del-rey-hiking-in-spain/ as the trains were too sparse to allow a day trip without a car.
Also really enjoyed the old line from Reus to Zaragoza.
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Trains from Malaga to Fuengirola are well patronised and very frequent.
Allegedly (read it in the local press) the most profitable line in Spain

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You just need to take your passport to a Renfe ticket office and purchase it. When using it to get the discount, you need to present the card when booking a ticket at a ticket office as I don't think the online website allows you to get the discount. I also think you need to pay for the card in cash. The last time I bought it, it cost €8.00 but that was 3 years ago.
My recollection is that the purchase procedure is a little bit more complicated. You have to fill in an application form and I vaguely recall a need to supply passport-style photos. The form is then sent away for processing and can take weeks to be returned (to the station you applied). I assumed this was a built in delay to stop short term foreign visitors taking advantage..
The system may have changed but I recall you couldn't use the ticket on the Cercanias ticket vending machines and had to queue at a booking office. Given that many Cercanias stations dont have ticket offices, and the ones that do tend to have long queues the potential savings are hardly worth the hassle.. However, as stated, if you plan to make some longer journeys the ticket can give some significant savings.
 
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Allegedly (read it in the local press) the most profitable line in Spain

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My recollection is that the purchase procedure is a little bit more complicated. You have to fill in an application form and I vaguely recall a need to supply passport-style photos. The form is then sent away for processing and can take weeks to be returned (to the station you applied). I assumed this was a built in delay to stop short term foreign visitors taking advantage..
The system may have changed but I recall you couldn't use the ticket on the Cercanias ticket vending machines and had to queue at a booking office. Given that many Cercanias stations dont have ticket offices, and the ones that do tend to have long queues the potential savings are hardly worth the hassle.. However, as stated, if you plan to make some longer journeys the ticket can give some significant savings.
The Tarjeta Dorada is not a photo identity document anymore and is instantaneously available from Renfe ticket offices on the production of a passport or Spanish identity card which shows date of birth. It is available for Cercanias but they're pretty cheap anyway so i personally would only use it for longer distance journeys. If you can read spanish (or have access to google translate) then there's more information on this Renfe page.
 

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Thanks for the update. That's a big improvement. The last time we bought them must have been 3 years ago and it took at least 3 weeks for the photo ID cards to be returned.
 

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Yes, grumpy seems to be confused-its a normal ticketstub with name, date till and purpose printed on. Hence much easier as f.e. ATOC-British railpasses. It is also valid for a whole year-does not limit the nr of trips. However, the discount is off FULL fare and hence advance tickets may be cheaper still.
A similar deal exist for junior <26: tarjeta Joven.
Some more hints:
with every Long-dist trip you can get for free the trips on cercanias before and after in the towns concerned, within 4 hrs of dep./arr. There is even a feature for that on ticket machines.
If the day out to MAD is a bit too expensive or far: consider f.e. Cordoba or Sevilla-go out on AVE/Avant and come back on local MD=medio distancia, to compare and have more experience of normal and broad gauge.
As purely by chance I fly out to MLG next week and plan to use this line: the renfe.com site states its now also possible London style to check in/out with bankcards. On most cercanias one now has to use 1-time or longer duration chipcards with tix loaded-the old style magstripe has been abolished (except Barcelona for now, as its integrated with all other transit)
 

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I can vouch for Sevilla as an alternative, going one way via the classic line through Bobadilla and Osuna and the other way on the AVANT taking in the high-speed line via Cordoba.

It was more like 50€ for a return booked on the day.
 

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Just before COVID really kicked off in March 2020 I spent a week at Torremolinos outside Malaga. I also did a day trip to Madrid on the AVE and used the local train to Malaga and Fuengirola. La Colina was my "local" station for the week.

Some pictures from the trip are at https://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/International/2020/Spanish-Trip-Malaga-and-Madrid/i-pBJKSMP

Enjoy it!

I enjoyed looking at those, thanks.

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I don't know if you're over 60 or not - but if you are, you can purchase a "Tarjeta Dorada" railcard for a few euros from Renfe. It is valid throughout Spain and allows you to make a certain number of journeys (I believe 8 but i am not sure about that figure) at up to 40% discount - so it could substantially reduce the cost of a train trip to Madrid. I wouldn't use it on the local Cercanias trains in Malaga as they are cheap enough. You just need to take your passport to a Renfe ticket office and purchase it. When using it to get the discount, you need to present the card when booking a ticket at a ticket office as I don't think the online website allows you to get the discount. I also think you need to pay for the card in cash. The last time I bought it, it cost €8.00 but that was 3 years ago.
I feel over 60. Does that count?
 

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I'm thinking of going on a holiday to Spain, near to Malaga. There appears to be a railway between my resort and Malaga Airport and Malaga itself which is handy. However I've looked on trainline for times and prices and it's coming back with no services. Is there a problem with the line to Fuengirola?

Added to this, when I go I'm thinking of trying the high speed train from Malaga to Madrid for a day trip. Is this a reasonable cost / frequent / friendly to non-Spanish speakers?

Thanks :)
Yes, there is a direct line to Fuengirola from the airport.
 

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I spend half the year in Malaga - currently on both the Cercanias Lines (including the C1 to Fuengirola) there is a shortage of drivers which is impacting the timetable. Some of the timetabled services currently aren't running leaving quite a few 40 minute gaps in the off peak timetable, There is a to be a partial restoration in February but there will be some 40 minute gaps remaining for some time yet
When I was last there - pre-Covid - it was the 4-car 464s. Loadings are generally good throughout the day - remove some more single line (but where?) and it would justify 4 trains an hour.

Edit: I meant to reply to HS2isgood post #8.
 

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When I was last there - pre-Covid - it was the 4-car 464s. Loadings are generally good throughout the day - remove some more single line (but where?) and it would justify 4 trains an hour.
I cannot find it now, but I previously looked at the route, and there are some possibilities to double track the line. In short:

Malaga Centro-María Zambrano: this is a bottleneck, but if the railway could be extended under the Guadalmedina into the centre of Malaga (to the downtown port?), it would be worthwhile.
Airport (roundabout)-Los Alamos (before)/after Plaza Mayor: this could be double tracked with minimal fuss. I don't know why it wasn't done as part of the other airport works.
La Colina-east of Torremolinos (tunnel): this could be done. There's (just) enough space to fit a second track through there, including building a second short tunnel.
Torremolinos tunnel - worthwhile and possible. It would allow double track from Torremolinos to Malaga, which opens possibilities of running short services to/from Malaga from Torremolinos.
West of Torremolinos - there's a section that would be impossible to upgrade, but it's only around 300-400m.
West of Torremolinos (after the impossible-to-upgrade section) to east of El Pinilo: easily upgraded.
Benalmadena-Arroyo de la Miel - east of Torremulle: this section is tricky. It's in a deep cutting for much of the length, and I don't see easy options here.
East of Torrequebrada - Torrequebrada tunnel: very difficult to upgrade.
Torrequebrada tunnel-Los Boliches: I don't see why this couldn't be done. It should be possible to put two tracks through Torrequebrada station (just) with some redevelopment of the area, which would allow a twin track tunnel.
Los Boliches viaduct: GET RID OF IT. Put it in a tunnel where it belongs, as the viaduct is an eyesore and is a huge barrier.
Fuengirola tunnel: shouldn't be much of a problem to extend the existing cut and cover tunnel.

So there's really only a short section of track that can't be upgraded. While some of it may not be worthwhile, Fuengirola could really do with the removal of the viaduct and the extension of the tunnel.

The major problem is that no-one wants to make a decision on the future coastal line. Everyone agrees that it's needed, but the speed of the existing line leaves a lot to be desired.

The existing line cannot cope with any extensions, but I think the best option would be to leave the existing commuter line alone (with some upgrades, such as the removal of the Los Boliches viaduct and the upgrading of the Plaza Mayor-Airport section) while building a new line capable of accommodating the AVE from the airport towards Marbella, Estepona and Algeciras. You could build an existing stop somewhere around Mijas to serve Fuengirola/Mijas, a stop in Marbella, one in Estepona and terminate in Algeciras.
 

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I don't know Spanish railways at all so where is it possible to get to by train from Malaga? Direct and high speed and inexpensive preferably ;)
 

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There used to be a nightly sleeper train to Madrid from Fuengirola & Torremolinos via Malaga. An extraordinary sight on those suburban platforms.

It was introduced when the narrow gauge line from Fuengirola to Malaga was rebuilt as the present line in the early 1970s.

Was the sleeper withdrawn when Malaga got the AVE high speed trains & route to Madrid?
 

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I don't know Spanish railways at all so where is it possible to get to by train from Malaga? Direct and high speed and inexpensive preferably ;)
Cordoba is probably the best bet. It runs hourly, takes about an hour, and starts at €23 for a return, prices vary like in the UK so booking early is best
 

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What's in Cordoba? I'm not even sure what's in Madrid for an English tourist either to be fair.

Is there a good detailed Spanish railway map online anywhere?
 

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Cordoba is worth a day, if you like gruesome there is the museum of the inquisition which is full of medieval torture instruments, brilliant if you like seeing that sort of thing, gruesome if you don't.
 

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What's in Cordoba? I'm not even sure what's in Madrid for an English tourist either to be fair.

Is there a good detailed Spanish railway map online anywhere?

Cordoba is an absolutely beautiful ancient city, that contains more world heritage sites than anywhere else on the planet - four.

There's a Roman bridge, and an enormous former mosque, that's so large a space that it contains a cathedral within it.
 
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Córdoba is a wonderful city to while away a day in. Amazing architecture, the mills by the river, and generally beautiful scenery. The main recommendation would be the Mosque, considered to be one of the most significant surviving examples of Islamic architecture full stop, let alone just in Spain. Wikipedia and wikitravel give you the chapter and verse. Certainly better than a day trip to just Antequera Santa Ana and you'd have more time than Madrid or Seville.

Another option would be to go to Granada, currently with a change at Antequera (or direct buses). The Alhambra & Generalife palace are fantastic, and Granada is another great city to spend a day in.

Also, just to get back to the original topic: the lines to Álora and Fuengirola are very pleasant and good value. If you can make it out that far, El Chorro and the reservoirs behind are excellent for walking / swimming. I'd also recommend the botanical garden in Málaga.
 

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I'm thinking of going on a holiday to Spain, near to Malaga. There appears to be a railway between my resort and Malaga Airport and Malaga itself which is handy. However I've looked on trainline for times and prices and it's coming back with no services. Is there a problem with the line to Fuengirola

Thanks :)
The only problem with the line when I used it on Monday was the escalator out of use at Fuengirola
 

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The only problem with the line when I used it on Monday was the escalator out of use at Fuengirola

That escalator has been broken for years. Same story with the lifts. The station itself is very much from the 1970s glory era in Fuengirola, and it badly needs renovation. My understanding of the situation is that there won't be any renovation of the station until a decision is finally made about the future of the coastal line.

The problem is that any extension of the coastal line will be horrendously expensive, whereas a new build route following the line of the AP-7 towards Marbella and beyond should be achievable. But in terms of public benefit, extending the coastal line makes far more sense.

Was the sleeper withdrawn when Malaga got the AVE high speed trains & route to Madrid?

Before, I believe. I have the feeling that it didn't last very long at all, and it was gone by the time that the AVE reached Cordoba in 1993.
 
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I don't know where Cloud Strife gets his false news on Fuengirola Station from.
Being a local resident and for the matter of correctness and not wishing for false information to put people off visiting the area, these are two articles from local papers on the station refurbishment:

 
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