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Everyone loves a good tale….

As a young lad, my grandfather would tell me tales of his days on the footplate as a driver on the GWR and later BR (WR). Of course, my young age meant I believed everything he related. He retired in 1967, and during his long career appeared to have had many railway adventures. He spent a large part of his career working from Danygraig Shed in Swansea, and as such the Swansea Docks system was part of his domain.

Over half a century since he told me his stories, now I’m older and wiser, many of the tales seem to be rather unlikely – maybe somewhat embellished and exaggerated to entertain his young audience!

One of his stories concerned what started as a minor incident. Driving a light engine in a corner of the docks system, the loco derailed, with one axle off the track. Out of sight of supervision, and keen to avoid any blame, the crew, presumably with a few helpers, decided to use bars to get the loco back on the rails before anyone knew what had happened. I remember him saying this did happen from time to time, and with enough help, re-railing was possible this way. However, luck was not on their side this time, and instead of sorting the situation out successfully, they ended up tipping the loco on its side! He didn’t tell me what loco class this was, or if it was steam or diesel, but they would have had a lot of explaining to do! If it was (say) a Class 08, they weigh around 49 tons, so it would have taken some effort to tip it over, depending on the topography of the land at that location.

So, true story or not? I suspect maybe some truth with some additions – many of his other stories also seem rather unlikely to me now, although the Rev. Awdry may have made use of some in his Thomas stories!

What stories have you heard, which seem dubious in some way, maybe part of railway folklore, with no means to verify their accuracy?
 
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What stories have you heard, which seem dubious in some way, maybe part of railway folklore, with no means to verify their accuracy?
Always been rather sceptical of the various supposed stories of heavy steam locos being spun around and around for hours at a time in high winds on turntables (such as the one formerly at Garsdale on the Settle and Carlisle line).

Unless of course the local wind direction kept on changing! ;)
 

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Always been rather sceptical of the various supposed stories of heavy steam locos being spun around and around for hours at a time in high winds on turntables (such as the one formerly at Garsdale on the Settle and Carlisle line).

Unless of course the local wind direction kept on changing! ;)
"Well well", chuckled Gordon. "Are you playing roundabouts?" :D

Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;)
 

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Some of the tales of the Glasgow and Southwestern sounded quite fantastical and yet had a certain air of truth as well.
One of the most famous being the runaway through Pinwherry, which even made it to song, written by Dave Goulder on the "Green all the Way" LP.

"All those wagons we left at the top of Pinmore are running away on their own.
Well those runaway wagons had started to go and the brake couldn't handle the strain,
They shot through the station at Pinwherry dip with the speed of a passenger train.
Oh the rate they were going it carried them on, damn near to the top of the hill,
But the gradient won and they came to a stop, for a moment or two they were still.
Ah but now that the incline was in the reverse, those wagons were rolling once more,
Hurtling down to Pinwherry again, and all the way back to Pinmore.
Where they came to a stop, but it wasn't for long and soon they were moving again,
And somewhere behind them, the driver and guard, were searching for half of the train.
Oh the wagons go up and the wagons go down, they were doing ten minutes a trip,
Till at last they were spent and they came down to rest, at the bottom of Pinwherry dip.
But back at the station still lying awake the Inspector was cursing the light,
Saying "I'm damned if I knew there were so many trains, in the best bloody part of the night!""
 

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Always been rather sceptical of the various supposed stories of heavy steam locos being spun around and around for hours at a time in high winds on turntables (such as the one formerly at Garsdale on the Settle and Carlisle line).

Unless of course the local wind direction kept on changing! ;)

Not impossible - plenty of things can manage to act enough like a vertical axis wind turbine to go round and round, even if they aren't well shaped to do it efficiently. And they did put that stockade up, after all.

The one I find hard to swallow is the one about someone working on Ribblehead viaduct being blown off the top in a high wind and then looping the loop through one of the arches and being deposited back on top of the viaduct. Apart from the aerodynamic aspects, it seems that whoever it happened to could have been anyone from one of the original navvies through to someone off a modern maintenance crew, depending on where the story crops up.
 

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The one I find hard to swallow is the one about someone working on Ribblehead viaduct being blown off the top in a high wind and then looping the loop through one of the arches and being deposited back on top of the viaduct. Apart from the aerodynamic aspects, it seems that whoever it happened to could have been anyone from one of the original navvies through to someone off a modern maintenance crew, depending on where the story crops up.
You may have mis-recalled a crucial detail of that one; the version I've heard was that it was a track ganger's hat that was blown off on a particularly windy day, and which disappeared over one side of the viaduct, through an arch, and then back up the other side before being deposited back on the man's head, albeit back to front.
 

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You may have mis-recalled a crucial detail of that one; the version I've heard was that it was a track ganger's hat that was blown off on a particularly windy day, and which disappeared over one side of the viaduct, through an arch, and then back up the other side before being deposited back on the man's head, albeit back to front.
I've heard it as an individual but yes, hat seems far more plausible!
 

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That there’s a fleet of Steam Engines stored in the tunnels at Box…
 
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That there’s a fleet of Steam Engines stored in the tunnel at Box…
Well that's clearly rubbish. How would trains manage to get through it if it were cluttered up with old locos?

Woodhead Strategic Reserve, on the other hand...
 

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Wasn’t there another Settle & Carlisle story about three cars (Humbers?) being blown off a train and landing somewhere so difficult to get at that BR paid Humber (or whoever) and later sold them to the farmer on whose land they had ended up. He then repaired at least one of them and used it for years.
 

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Well that's clearly rubbish. How would trains manage to get through it if it were cluttered up with old locos?

Woodhead Strategic Reserve, on the other hand...
That must be to augment the strategic steam reserve hidden at Long Marston Mod depot.
 

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You may have mis-recalled a crucial detail of that one; the version I've heard was that it was a track ganger's hat that was blown off on a particularly windy day, and which disappeared over one side of the viaduct, through an arch, and then back up the other side before being deposited back on the man's head, albeit back to front.
Talking of hats reminds me of another of my grandfather's stories. When coal was in short supply for the house they'd take some lumps from the loco shed and go home with them hidden under their caps! I had a vision of him balancing coal on his head whilst cycling home! Of course it was steam coal rather than house anthracite, but still usable. Maybe not so great in the grate....
 

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A handful more Ribblehead viaduct tall tales of questionable provenance...

Back in the day, there were supposedly often clumps of strawberries growing on or nearby to the viaduct, the seeds having been deposited there by passing birdlife.

And more recently, either boxes of kippers and/or (one or more) Humber motor vehicles, blown variously on to the opposite railway track, or over the viaduct parapets, depending on which version you were told.

Anyone ever seen any corroborating photographs to stand these stories up?
 

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....not to mention the rest of the strategic steam reserve locked-up in an old shed at the back of Stratford Works!
Nah, just a Claud Hamilton.

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Talking of hats reminds me of another of my grandfather's stories. When coal was in short supply for the house they'd take some lumps from the loco shed and go home with them hidden under their caps! I had a vision of him balancing coal on his head whilst cycling home! Of course it was steam coal rather than house anthracite, but still usable. Maybe not so great in the grate....
There are quite a lot of stories involving coal!

One is of a loco crew being asked by a signalman if they can help with a bit of coal for the stove. On their next trip they manhandle a nice big lump to the cabside to push off at the crucial moment. Unfortunately they get the timing wrong and the lump proceeds to demolish half the signalbox.

"Must have fallen off the tender boss" they tell the gaffer. "Lot of big coal these days; it's a hazard."

The boss doesn't believe it, but what can he do?
 
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My Mum worked at English Electric in Lancashire in the 60s, she told me stories of the sales arm, but I assume no one would be interested in those.

A tall story I was told, was that the channel tunnel digging machine after reaching halfway across, went off the route and made a short tunnel diagonal to the mainline so that the government could plant a nuke as a self destruct device in case of Russians storming across Europe, and that the tunnel digger remains in the seabed til this day.
 

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Nah, just a Claud Hamilton.

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There are quite a lot of stories involving coal!

One is of a loco crew being asked by a signalman if they can help with a bit of coal for the stove. On their next trip they manhandle a nice big lump to the cabside to push off at the crucial moment. Unfortunately they get the timing wrong and the lump proceeds to demolish half the signalbox.

"Must have fallen off the tender boss" they tell the gaffer. "Lot of big coal these days; it's a hazard."

The boss doesn't believe it, but what can he do?

Stratford would almost certainly have a large number of J69 engines in kit form , for immediate and quick assembly (after all they built one from scratch in about 24 hours in the 19thC)

Coal was incredibly important in the carbon is OK era - my favourite is the empathy and support to the Eire Railways in WW2 (when Churchill cut off coal supplies from the UK to encourage de Valera to allow the reasonable use of the West Irish ports for convoy protection) , there were good supplies of Scottish coal to Northern Ireland , so sympathetic Great Northern Of Ireland crews at joint working places would park their engines handy to their southern brothers and allow some transfer of coal from one tender to another. There may have been exchanges of eggs or similar in exchange.

Mutual aid I suppose.
 

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A tall story I was told, was that the channel tunnel digging machine after reaching halfway across, went off the route and made a short tunnel diagonal to the mainline so that the government could plant a nuke as a self destruct device in case of Russians storming across Europe, and that the tunnel digger remains in the seabed til this day.
The story is grounded in truth. The TBMs are still there (cannot draw it back because of the lining segments installed behind them; cannot continue forward because of another TBM bearing down on you head on). The explosive device is nonsense folklore, though.
 

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Another long held railway tale is the story of the horse and cart that had fallen backwards into a hollow support pier during construction of the Glenfinnan viaduct on the West Highland Line Mallaig extension by Robert McAlpine & Sons in the late 1890s, and which were supposedly just left there.

Further investigation in recent years has determined that whilst no such accident ever happened at the Glenfinnan ("Harry Potter") viaduct, the remains of a horse and cart are still to be found at the bottom of a support pier on the Loch nam Uamh viaduct further on towards Mallaig.
 

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Well that's clearly rubbish. How would trains manage to get through it if it were cluttered up with old locos?
There was a branch leading to a tunnel (still there) to the right of the east end entrance of Box tunnel which leads to the Tunnel Quarry underground complex, part of a huge underground military bunker system used in WW2 and the Cold War. This included the formerly secret Burlington nuclear bunker.

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My Mum worked at English Electric in Lancashire in the 60s, she told me stories of the sales arm, but I assume no one would be interested in those.
Go on, those of us from the commercial side would certainly be interested :)
 

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the Ribblehead viaduct story was related in Red for Danger by Rolt wasnt it?

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I know that when my parents owned a pub they got a plenty full supply of coal from passing trains by putting pots up on the back wall that lead onto the railway so that passing trains drivers and fireman would throw suitably sized lumps of coal with the intent of smashing the target pot !
 

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the Ribblehead viaduct story was related in Red for Danger by Rolt wasnt it?
Which story?

The one about the hat being blown off is recounted in "Ribblehead - The Story of the Great Viaduct on the Settle-Carlisle Line" by W.R. Mitchell (2015), but is no doubt also made reference to in various other publications.
 

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Always been rather sceptical of the various supposed stories of heavy steam locos being spun around and around for hours at a time in high winds on turntables (such as the one formerly at Garsdale on the Settle and Carlisle line).

Unless of course the local wind direction kept on changing! ;)

I can fully imagine it happening there, with the local and railway geography, in fact it could probably have been predicted. The wind whipping up the valley from Sedbergh can be fierce on a normal day, and I can imagine would 'blow' more inward of the valley than near the edges, like water flowing fast in the middle of a stream, but more gently near the banks. The turntable, with the railway, above the valley floor, would be right on the border. That would result in there being a lot more force on one side of the turntable than the other, and with a loco on it, it would suddenly become like a very large water wheel.

I think the hat one's more fanciful. I can only just imagine someone's hat being blown off, losing sight of it, then finding it up there, and so assuming it had gone all the way under and back up, with later embellishment about it landing on their head. There is a nearby pub after all.... ;)
 

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What about GWR Saint 4-6-0 2903 Lady of Lyons doing 120mph in 1906 when running in on the Badminton line - with a junior Charles Collett observing on the footplate.
 

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Didn’t Railway Mag do a story about how 92203 and 92220 had apparently swapped identities during the 1960’s a few years ago?
 

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Go on, those of us from the commercial side would certainly be interested :)
She once told me the factory had some sort of industrial action in the engineering department, but the sales team still had to go out and secure orders for un-built and non-existing products.
 

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Didn’t Railway Mag do a story about how 92203 and 92220 had apparently swapped identities during the 1960’s a few years ago?

Wasn't that due to 92203 having a few parts marked 92220, which would hardly be unusual in the loco world, and some green paint being discovered on the cylinder covers, something 92220 herself only carried for a short time, and then unofficially? Again, it doesn't take a great leap to imagine the covers being swapped when one was coming in for work and one going out, and a bit of black paint being applied to the green ones.
 
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