Class 43 disposals

[coppercapped]

I'm in no doubt that the calculations themselves are correct. The questions arise about the validity / accuracy of the assumptions that are incorporated within the calculations, eg re increased availability, lower operating costs, etc.

As it's ROG's own money that ROG is spending, you don't seriously think that it hasn't thought very seriously and deeply about both the assumptions and the calculations it has made before deciding to go ahead with these new locomotives?

Why the assumption that it doesn't know what it is doing?

The routes and haulage in question would be some of the really tight curvature routes or those with earthworks/civils that cannot allow high axle load vehicles such as the class 88's.
There are still a lot of routes that will not permit RA7 locomotives like cl88 ,and even some RA6 such as cl47, hence why the 20's and 37's have been in service for so long.

Can you give examples of the freight flows you are referring to, please? As practically all commercial freight uses long, heavy, bogied vehicles I find it hard to understand where lightly loaded vehicles running on sharp curves could be financially viable for a freight operator.

These 60 year old locomotives are now being withdrawn. They may have had a long life because they were cheap to buy, but their time has passed.

 

[ExRes]

As it's ROG's own money that ROG is spending, you don't seriously think that it hasn't thought very seriously and deeply about both the assumptions and the calculations it has made before deciding to go ahead with these new locomotives?

Why the assumption that it doesn't know what it is doing?

Precisely, I don't think many people are aware of who actually owns ROG, it's not a gang of ex BR boys who fancy running a railway company in their spare time, it's a private equity company called STAR Capital Partnership with investments of hundreds of millions, anyway, that's all drift on a thread about Class 43 disposals

 

[xotGD]

Every time I see this thread heading, I can't help visualising lines of condemned 'Warship' diesel-hydraulics awaiting the cutter's torch at Swindon back in the early 'seventies!

I'm all in favour of changing the title to "Class 253 and 254 Power Car Disposals"!

 

[Roger B]

As it's ROG's own money that ROG is spending, you don't seriously think that it hasn't thought very seriously and deeply about both the assumptions and the calculations it has made before deciding to go ahead with these new locomotives?

Why the assumption that it doesn't know what it is doing?

Can you give examples of the freight flows you are referring to, please? As practically all commercial freight uses long, heavy, bogied vehicles I find it hard to understand where lightly loaded vehicles running on sharp curves could be financially viable for a freight operator.

These 60 year old locomotives are now being withdrawn. They may have had a long life because they were cheap to buy, but their time has passed.

I'm not assuming anything. I was merely pointing out that it's so often not the calculations but the assumptions underpinning them where things get unstuck. I'm sure they have thought seriously and deeply about them, and I'm certainly not suggesting they're a bunch of hobbyists / cowboys. But there is always a risk (however small / large) that one or more assumptions are not borne out within acceptable parameters. And they wouldn't be the first experts to find that things don't happen in real life quite as they expected.

A recent instance of a similar happening being the cracking on the IETS. There's no suggestion that the Hitachi metallurgists, designers and fabricators were not experts, that they hadn't thought deeply about the stresses experienced in real-world operation by each component - but nevertheless, the cracks started to appear.

I wish ROG well in all their ventures, and hope their assumptions are validated by their experiences.

 

[ainsworth74]

I'm all in favour of changing the title to "Class 253 and 254 Power Car Disposals"!

No. That tin of worms is remaining shut as being firmly off-topic

 

[DanNCL]

I gather that the remains of 43313 were craned onto a low loader at Laira today, to be taken off to an unknown scrapyard. Can anyone verify this?

 

[43096]

I gather that the remains of 43313 were craned onto a low loader at Laira today, to be taken off to an unknown scrapyard. Can anyone verify this?

I have also been told this. It was sent minus bogies according to my source. If anyone knows which scrapyard it's gone to, please post.

 

[fgwrich]

I gather that the remains of 43313 were craned onto a low loader at Laira today, to be taken off to an unknown scrapyard. Can anyone verify this?

They were indeed, however there really wasn’t much left of it than a cab-less shell, everything useful from it now in XCs spares pool at Laira. Scrapyard currently unknown at this point.

 

[Ryazan]

 

[Wyrleybart]

Certainly not much left on that

 

[TrainTrackJack]

Photograph in this months Railway Magazine showing the remains of one of the trio of PCs delivered to Newport at the beginning of the year, in an article about the Class 365 preservation story. Not a pretty sight.

 

[GEC465]

You able to take a screenshot of it?

 

[TrainTrackJack]

You able to take a screenshot of it?

When screenshots of printed magazines become a thing I’ll let you know

I shall take a photograph instead though.

 

[55002]

What happened to the set that did the last east coast run on the farewell trip that was all painted in Inter City livery. Last I heard went to Ely. Is it still there or long gone?

 

[GEC465]

When screenshots of printed magazines become a thing I’ll let you know

I shall take a photograph instead though.

XD will be interesting to see a photo of a 43 mid process at sims

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What happened to the set that did the last east coast run on the farewell trip that was all painted in Inter City livery. Last I heard went to Ely. Is it still there or long gone?

From what I heard it's still there

 

[43096]

What happened to the set that did the last east coast run on the farewell trip that was all painted in Inter City livery. Last I heard went to Ely. Is it still there or long gone?

It’s not in InterCity livery…

Still at Ely.

 

[Spaceship323]

It’s not in InterCity livery…

BR blue and grey livery, but all the coaches do say Intercity 125 on the side

 

[Southern Dvr]

BR blue and grey livery, but all the coaches do say Intercity 125 on the side

Gather that set is in pretty poor condition. Wonder what the point of it being in store so long is. The air con and stuff will be knackered now. As for the power cars, unless they’ve been moved around on their own power they’ll be done for by now too surely?

 

[D365]

When screenshots of printed magazines become a thing I’ll let you know

I shall take a photograph instead though.

Isn’t that called a scanner

 

[43096]

There’s five power cars at Long Marston as I understand it: Porterbrook’s 43043/064/078 and 43045/060 which have been sold to Northumbria Rail.

The only HST Mark 3s at Long Marston are owned by First Rail Holdings.

 

[43102EMR]

There’s five power cars at Long Marston as I understand it: Porterbrook’s 43043/064/078 and 43045/060 which have been sold to Northumbria Rail.

The only HST Mark 3s at Long Marston are owned by First Rail Holdings.

43060 is with Colas, no?

 

[43096]

43060 is with Colas, no?

No…..

 

[DanNCL]

43060 is with Colas, no?

No…..

Was previously with colas but was swapped for ex LNER powercars.

 

[43102EMR]

Was previously with colas but was swapped for ex LNER powercars.

Ah makes sense, thank you!

 

[warwickshire]

There’s five power cars at Long Marston as I understand it: Porterbrook’s 43043/064/078 and 43045/060 which have been sold to Northumbria Rail.

The only HST Mark 3s at Long Marston are owned by First Rail Holdings.

It was this day a year ago that 43078 left Long Marston for Laira ie for gwr components. On the 14th April 2021.
So its just 43064 43043 which still have no future if still present on site.

 

[43096]

It was this day a year ago that 43078 left Long Marston for Laira ie for gwr components. On the 14th April 2021.
So its just 43064 43043 which still have no future if still present on site.

It isn’t as 43078 is at Long Marston, as I posted above. It moved back from Laira by road on 28th February.

 

[warwickshire]

Okay. Thank you for the update. So gwr have rejected it and sent it back.

 

[43096]

Okay. Thank you for the update. So gwr have rejected it and sent it back.

Or they've finished getting the components off it they need.

 

[Geeves]

If John is on here all credit to you my friend

43300 of Neville Hill fame on its final journey to the big depot in the sky seen here on the M62 in the Manchester area

 

[D821]

I take it the cab looked like that before the journey started and the lorry didn't back into something...