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The Guardian reports that many bus services in England could be cut when emergency Covid funding expires at the end of March. Bus operators have to give six weeks’ notice to withdraw or vary a route and are said to be compiling lists of services which might be scrapped after 31 March.

Generally buses outside London have had far less media coverage than railways. Many bus services depend on local council subsidy but this has already been reduced in line with budget cuts over the past 10 years or so. Some local transport authorities no longer support any buses other than those home-to-school services which are a statutory obligation.

The funding crisis is on top of a driver shortage, affecting buses as well as the HGV sector. About 6,700 bus drivers are needed, with roughly 10% of positions vacant, yet the DfT's push to recruit lorry drivers has not been extended to the bus industry.

Does this just make a nonsense of the Government's slogan Bus Back Better and the fine words which go with it?
 
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I have been on some seriously empty buses and trains recently. We need a massive rethink on public transport. Or it will wither and die.
 
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The Guardian reports that many bus services in England could be cut when emergency Covid funding expires at the end of March. Bus operators have to give six weeks’ notice to withdraw or vary a route and are said to be compiling lists of services which might be scrapped after 31 March.

Generally buses outside London have had far less media coverage than railways. Many bus services depend on local council subsidy but this has already been reduced in line with budget cuts over the past 10 years or so. Some local transport authorities no longer support any buses other than those home-to-school services which are a statutory obligation.

The funding crisis is on top of a driver shortage, affecting buses as well as the HGV sector. About 6,700 bus drivers are needed, with roughly 10% of positions vacant, yet the DfT's push to recruit lorry drivers has not been extended to the bus industry.

Does this just make a nonsense of the Government's slogan Bus Back Better and the fine words which go with it?
Do you have a link to the current Guardian report please? The one embedded in your post dates from April 2020.
 

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The Guardian reports that many bus services in England could be cut when emergency Covid funding expires at the end of March. Bus operators have to give six weeks’ notice to withdraw or vary a route and are said to be compiling lists of services which might be scrapped after 31 March.

Generally buses outside London have had far less media coverage than railways. Many bus services depend on local council subsidy but this has already been reduced in line with budget cuts over the past 10 years or so. Some local transport authorities no longer support any buses other than those home-to-school services which are a statutory obligation.

The funding crisis is on top of a driver shortage, affecting buses as well as the HGV sector. About 6,700 bus drivers are needed, with roughly 10% of positions vacant, yet the DfT's push to recruit lorry drivers has not been extended to the bus industry.

Does this just make a nonsense of the Government's slogan Bus Back Better and the fine words which go with it?
Bus Back Better was always little more than a slogan plus a little bit of money half of which will be needed to pay for the electric buses and the rest has to be spent by the local authorities on 'new and exciting' stuff, specifically not on supporting existing services (even if they consequently don't then exist).
The Dft knows that lorry driver shortages will appear on the national news, bus driver shortages might make the local news if there havent been any cats stuck up trees that day.
 
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Do you have a link to the current Guardian report please? The one embedded in your post dates from April 2020.

Bus services in England used by hundreds of thousands of passengers are poised to be slashed when emergency Covid funding expires at the end of March, transport authorities have warned.

Passenger numbers on buses have dropped sharply from 80% of pre-pandemic levels to less than 60% since the rise of the Omicron coronavirus variant and the introduction of work-from-home advice in December, leaving firms reliant on recovery grants to run services.

Bus firms, which have to give six weeks’ notice to withdraw a route, are compiling lists of services to be scrapped after 31 March.


Many services depend on local council subsidy in places where bus operators cannot make a profit. But authorities now do not expect to find money to maintain such routes, typically serving isolated communities or hospitals and running outside peak hours.

Buses in regions whose budgets have to cover fixed-cost transit systems, such as Tyne and Wear which has the Metro, are expected to be hardest hit.

The funding crisis comes amid a driver shortage, affecting buses as well as the HGV and logistics sector. About 6,700 bus drivers are needed, with roughly 10% of positions vacant, according to the bus industry group, the Confederation of Passenger Transport (CPT).


Rural bus services are being wiped out in many areas of England due to cuts in subsidies. Photograph: Nick Potts/PA
But while the Department for Transport has tried to rush through recruitment of lorry drivers, “there is no equivalent strategy for the driver shortage crisis on the buses”, says Jonathan Bray, director of the Urban Transport Group. A plan is urgently needed, he argues, “to prevent short-term driver shortage challenges leading to long-term bus service cuts”.

The pandemic, driver shortage and financial gap spell a “perfect storm” for buses in 2022, according to Paul Tuohy, the chief executive of Campaign for Better Transport: “Covid has dealt a body blow to the bus industry, and without further government intervention we are likely to see severe cuts to services up and down the country.”

The pandemic struck at a cruel moment for a sector that finally believed it was making political headway after a difficult decade in which more than 3,000 local authority-supported bus services were axed or truncated. Pleas for a national bus strategy were granted by ministers at a London conference in February 2020 – an event that instead made headlines for featuring the first confirmed case of coronavirus at a Westminster event.

The strategy, entitled Bus Back Better, was published in 2021 framed with a prime ministerial pledge for £3bn in funding to transform services. However, the industry believes it has been left shortchanged. The autumn budget confirmed only £1.2bn, although the government says it will still have given £3bn in “new spending” on buses in this pandemic-hit parliament. Meanwhile, the commitments in the strategy would actually require a £7bn investment, according to the CPT.


Tracy Brabin, the mayor of West Yorkshire, says the network needs government support. Photograph: Danny Lawson/PA
Among those encouraged by Boris Johnson’s professed support for buses was Tracy Brabin, the first elected mayor of West Yorkshire, who submitted an improvement plan for central funding after being elected this year. “A good service where you can rock up and expect a bus in a few minutes, not just in city centres but across the region, will be absolutely transformational,” she says.

Instead though, operators are now “extremely anxious” and looking at reducing routes where patronage is lower, Brabin says: “Inter-community, inter-town bus networks fall by the wayside.”

West Yorkshire stepped in to save one route recently, the 205 from Pudsey to Dewsbury, which Arriva wanted to cut, at a cost of £120,000 a year. However, for cash-strapped councils, with soaring care bills also vying for funds, such outlays can only be exceptions.

“A better bus network is vital for us in West Yorkshire … I’m a user, a passenger, and it’s not good enough. We need government support,” says Brabin. “My concern is that the £3bn we were promised has been reduced – and a lot of that money is being used to hold up the existing service rather than transform it as we wanted to do.”

The driver shortage has left people ever more frustrated. Brabin recently waited at a Leeds stop alongside a man whose bus for Cottingley failed to show.

“When that bus doesn’t come, he’s got to wait another hour. Half an hour later I passed him on a different service and he was walking. It’s bad for family life, it’s bad for mental health – people don’t have ownership of their lives because it is dependent on whether the bus will come or not.”
In Tyne and Wear, passengers are having to check online if their bus home will run, with daily short-notice cancellations. Tobyn Hughes, managing director of Transport North East, said: “Confidence in services is already low, and driver shortages were affecting reliability even before the latest round of Omicron.”

However, Hughes says current woes are “nothing compared to what could come at the start of the next financial year. Unless there’s more money, it’s very likely that 10% to 17% of services will be cut.”

The prognosis is grim around England: Transport for the West Midlands forecasts a £50m shortfall in bus funding after March without government intervention. Bus operators in the region have already notified them that they plan to cut eight routes, carrying 37,000 passengers a week.


Some heavily subsidised bus services in Tyne and Wear have been cancelled. Photograph: Christopher Thomond/The Guardian
While rural routes have been hardest hit over the last decade avross Britain, city bus services are at particular risk where light rail and tram systems also require subsidy. Hughes’ budget has to cover the Tyne and Wear Metro, whose emergency funding will likewise expire in March: “There is a £20m shortfall. It has very high fixed costs. Transit systems will adapt but not overnight. We can’t reduce the costs on the Metro quickly – but you can on buses, unfortunately for those involved.

“We are desperate for the government to pull its finger out and tell local authorities what, if any, Covid-19 support there will be for bus and light rail services after March.”

A Department for Transport spokesperson said: “We have provided unprecedented levels of funding for the bus sector during the pandemic, including the £1.5bn coronavirus bus service support grant and the ongoing £226.5m made available under the bus recovery grant.

“As Omicron cases rise, we are closely monitoring the effect of new restrictions on passenger levels and services, working with the bus sector to understand their potential impact.”


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For many passengers already suffering cancellations from driver shortages, it will be hard to countenance further cuts.

“We don’t have people to drive our buses. In the last six months complaints have soared,” said Dawn Badminton-Capps, director for England of passenger complaints organisation Bus Users UK. “Mainly services failing to show – and people getting wet and cold. In a city another bus might run soon – but for communities in places like rural Norfolk, that missing bus is it for the rest of the day.

“We have people who say their employer is getting the hump and questioning if they can stay in the job. It’s not tenable for people to rely on buses if they won’t turn up.”

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The funding crisis is on top of a driver shortage, affecting buses as well as the HGV sector. About 6,700 bus drivers are needed, with roughly 10% of positions vacant, yet the DfT's push to recruit lorry drivers has not been extended to the bus industry.
One of the principal reasons for the big shortage of bus drivers - at least here in West Yorkshire - is that large numbers of them are leaving for better-paid and passenger hassle-free jobs as HGV drivers.
 
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If we have a big reduction in services that will deal with any driver shortage.

My local service is 4 an hour in each direction during the day and 2 an hour from 6pm until midnight, none of which are mini buses. Pre covid they were doing alright but I suspect weren't making a huge profit.

Peak numbers now are not bad but the rest of the time they are dead, there is not even the 09 20 " twirly" rush, pensioners are either using thier cars or getting taxis, as they are worried about covid on the " pox box".

Working from home has become the norm for many office staff.

With the numbers traveling I think 2 an hour during the day and one an hour at night might turn a profit.
 

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If we have a big reduction in services that will deal with any driver shortage.

My local service is 4 an hour in each direction during the day and 2 an hour from 6pm until midnight, none of which are mini buses. Pre covid they were doing alright but I suspect weren't making a huge profit.

Peak numbers now are not bad but the rest of the time they are dead, there is not even the 09 20 " twirly" rush, pensioners are either using thier cars or getting taxis, as they are worried about covid on the " pox box".

Working from home has become the norm for many office staff.

With the numbers traveling I think 2 an hour during the day and one an hour at night might turn a profit.
if the buses become that infrequent they will become even more irrelevant to many people.
Trains and buses, we need to get leisure travellers back somehow.
maybe when they scrap masks it will be better.
 

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An article today in the Express and Star highlighted Bus fares set to rise across West Midlands as Covid support ends paints are sad picture. I trust the link works - I mistrust links to pages that may disappear a few months later.
Bus fares set to rise across West Midlands as Covid support ends | Express & Star (expressandstar.com)

Bus services across the West Midlands are set to be cut and fares may increase when emergency Covid funding ends in March, transport bosses have warned.

During the pandemic, operators have been propped up by the Government’s Bus Recovery Grant (BRG), which was brought in to cover losses incurred due to reduced passenger numbers.

A report to the West Midlands Combined Authority (WMCA) says operators faced a potential "cliff edge" when the funding stops at the end of March, and were likely to slash services to make ends meet.

The region's bus network has been cut by four per cent since March 2020, while passenger numbers in November last year were down by 25 per cent of pre-Covid levels.

The report says that as of October 2021 the region's bus network received half of its income from public funding sources, up from 27 per cent pre-pandemic.

It says: "The Government’s Bus Recovery Grant (BRG), negotiated directly between Government and bus operator groups and covering some of the operator losses, is due to finish at the end of March 2022.

"Currently bus operators are telling us that the amount of money available from Government is not what was expected and may result in some network reductions even prior to the end of March 2022.

"Whilst it is highly unlikely that Government will not provide any funding at all after March 2022, the fact that there is currently no committed funding represents an incredible challenge which is being talked about across the industry as a potential ‘cliff edge’, given such a substantial reduction in passenger revenue, which is unlikely to have recovered to pre-covid levels by then."

The report adds: "It is almost certain that in the face of national Bus Recovery Grant ending, or being reduced, that operators will seek to rationalise their operations in order to remain financially viable meaning that the network faces risks of service cuts, fare increases, or reliance on increased subsidy."

It said "less profitable" routes were most at risk, adding that the region's transport body, Transport for West Midlands (TfWM), could be forced to put forward up to £50 million in subsidies to maintain services.

"TfWM are also seeking support from Government to stabilise the existing network until October 2022 to ensure a smooth transport provision during the Commonwealth Games," the report says.

In the run-up to Christmas, National Express apologised to customers after driver shortages led to services being cancelled, delayed, and eventually scaled down.

The report will be presented by the WMCA's transport lead Councillor Ian Ward at a meeting on Friday.
The West Midlands is gearing up for the Commonwealth Games and wishes to have a transport infrastructure in place worthy of a host city. What the cost of this will be is unknown but my concern is that services may be cut in other areas just to provide services linked to the Game's venues. Then, what after the Games? Incidentally, and this is a personal view, these are the Birmingham games. Not the Black Country's, not Wolverhampton's. Rate payers in those areas should not be expected to fund services set up primarily for the Games.

Whatever, the immediate problem now is that operators simply do not know what the level of the grant will be after March 2022 though it is hard to believe that funding will cease entirely. Without knowing this, bus companies cannot plan. One comment is worrying. "Currently bus operators are telling us (the report's authors) that the amount of money available from Government is not what was expected and may result in some network reductions even prior to the end of March 2022." Sounds to me like Government spin again, saying this is what we spend but not saying over what period.
Some facts from the newspaper article which got its information from a report to the West Midlands Combined Authority (WMCA) indicate the problems facing operators. Services cut by 4% (ignoring those services which do not run due to driver shortages) and passenger numbers down 25% when compared with pre-covid levels.
The region's bus network received half of its income from public funding sources, up from 27 per cent pre-pandemic.
The region's transport body, Transport for West Midlands (TfWM), could be forced to put forward up to £50 million in subsidies to maintain services. £50m is a lot of money with little certainty of any return for all the tax payers in the West Midlands. What happens after October 2022?

Just the problems facing one local authority and similar to those facing others. Can the bus industry recover? Will passengers be encouraged to return? I do not know.
 
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if the buses become that infrequent they will become even more irrelevant to many people.
You are right, but to most people round here they are irrelevant already. Other than those who have no choice, ( children, people who can't drive) or those who get it
" free" ( pensioners), very few people will choose to use the bus now.

Expensive, freezing cold in winter, boiling hot in summer, feral youths using the bus as a playground.

What support Nexus ( Tyne and Wear) now use for buses is almost certainly going to be used to prop up the Metro.
 

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I sympathise Geordie driver. My heart is still in the West Midlands and I do wonder about the investment in the tram system which gets all the headlines and the money but the problem with a tram system is that it only serves those passengers on 1 degree of arc around Birmingham. People who live away from the route (those on the 359 degrees of arc), have to get to the trams and so a bus service or interchange may be necessary although personally I would baulk at having to make 2 journeys unless I had to. Yep, what money there is will go towards the trams, the panacea projects which promise much but do they deliver value for money? (In the West Midlands, the rail system was never as substantial as in other conurbations so the West Midlands desperately needs more and faster connections into Birmingham for example)
Less money for buses which are essential if we are ever to get away from the car.
 

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The West Midlands is gearing up for the Commonwealth Games and wishes to have a transport infrastructure in place worthy of a host city. What the cost of this will be is unknown but my concern is that services may be cut in other areas just to provide services linked to the Game's venues. Then, what after the Games? Incidentally, and this is a personal view, these are the Birmingham games. Not the Black Country's, not Wolverhampton's. Rate payers in those areas should not be expected to fund services set up primarily for the Games.

Just going off at a slight tangent, I believe Stagecoach are providing a lot of vehicles for the Commonwealth Games, similar to how they did for the Olympics back in 2012, which should see vehicles from far and wide in the West Midlands briefly....

HTH
 

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Just going off at a slight tangent, I believe Stagecoach are providing a lot of vehicles for the Commonwealth Games, similar to how they did for the Olympics back in 2012, which should see vehicles from far and wide in the West Midlands briefly....

HTH
Have they got anyone to drive them though…?
 

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I have been on some seriously empty buses and trains recently. We need a massive rethink on public transport. Or it will wither and die.
This might depend on the route and areas serve, the ones I see in Birmingham
The key routes around Birmingham 14, 94/95, 11A/C, X21/X22, X1/X2, 61/63 and others all seem to be busy normally.
94/95 Birmingham - Chelmsley via Ward End carry full loads regularly.
Later this year the 51 and X2 are probably going to be linked together to create the Sprint route to.

Perhaps routes like the 25 that was already subsidised and empty pre covid which just has a few journeys a day would most likely get chopped?
 
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Let's look at things in a balanced way.

There will undoubtedly be some rationalisation to headways as the passenger numbers have declined. That's partly due to a drop in commuters as people work from home more, and the reduction in shoppers as more is done online. That has been an ongoing shift anyway over many years; Covid has just turbo-charged that move. It is compounded by the fact that the first lockdown meant people weren't spending and so money was saved and people bought cars (see the secondhand car market) and you also have loads more panel vans delivering for the courier firms so congestion is getting to be nearly as bad as before if not worse.

As with any major change, like the retail market post 2007, the market will find its level and the weaker firms will be found out. The firms that are on the front foot, such as Transdev, Go Ahead and a number of the First Opcos, will probably fair better than Stagecoach (which has lost its mojo a bit) and the sleepwalking to oblivion Arriva. That's not to say that Transdev et al will be somehow insulated against the changes to travel patterns, or won't be cutting headways and services....they will.

The staffing challenges will ease for two reasons. There was the hiatus in processing licenses and training applicants which is, even now, beginning to lessen slightly. It's the Omicron self-isolation challenge that is really exacerbating massively the driver shortage. Secondly, the service cuts that will undoubtedly come will reduce the number of drivers required. Nonetheless, the bigger challenge is the upward pressure on wages and how that is recovered that will make bus driving more attractive compared to van driving or hospitality or whatever but makes services less viable - that is the difficult one to square.

As an aside, my recent experiences in Surrey and Essex showed that passenger numbers weren't quite as bad as I'd anticipated. Perhaps some of that is reflective of the relative buoyancy of the Southern economy compared to some other areas. What was noticeable was the 9.30 twirly rush being lower; quite simply, there are a number of people of a certain age that, despite being thrice jabbed, are still reluctant to socialise as they once did.
 

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Already seeing this in Bristol and Bath with the changes coming into play at the end of the month.
Lots of services either cut totally, curtailed to run less distance or diverted to stop serving specific areas, whist at the same time some "fare changes" that are being marketed by First as giving people better choice but in actuality include some substantial price increases (e.g. a day ticket for Bristol goes up 18%). It would have been even worse too had the West of England Combined Authority not stepped in to support some services.
 
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Already seeing this in Bristol and Bath with the changes coming into play at the end of the month.
Lots of services either cut totally, curtailed to run less distance or diverted to stop serving specific areas, whist at the same time some "fare changes" that are being marketed by First as giving people better choice but in actuality include some substantial price increases (e.g. a day ticket for Bristol goes up 18%). It would have been even worse too had the West of England Combined Authority not stepped in to support some services.
Point of order - the Bristol day ticket rises from £5 to £5.30, which is not 18%. Meanwhile First are introducing new "two journey" tickets (priced much as the old peak hour returns were), flying precisely against the current Enhanced Partnership discussions of all operator ticketing becoming the norm. I've also been advised that First WoE have already given notice on other services from April, so the rot hasn't been stopped yet.
 

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Point of order - the Bristol day ticket rises from £5 to £5.30, which is not 18%. Meanwhile First are introducing new "two journey" tickets (priced much as the old peak hour returns were), flying precisely against the current Enhanced Partnership discussions of all operator ticketing becoming the norm. I've also been advised that First WoE have already given notice on other services from April, so the rot hasn't been stopped yet.
The Bristol day ticket currently costs £4.50 if bought via the app, so a rise to £5.30 is an increase of 80p, or 17.77%.
I think they have missed a trick by just bumping up the price right away. If they had brought the app bought day ticket up in price to match the on bus price of £5 this month, then in 6 months time increased both to £5.30 it would have looked a lot better on them IMO than giving some people an instant 18% price rise.
And whilst yes they have announced those "two journey" tickets which for some people will be good enough (actually for those people it will be very good value - actually cheaper than two singles which we've not seen in a while), those people who are forced to change buses for a single journey (which will be more people thanks to the cuts being made) are hit hard.
 
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Point of order - the Bristol day ticket rises from £5 to £5.30, which is not 18%. Meanwhile First are introducing new "two journey" tickets (priced much as the old peak hour returns were), flying precisely against the current Enhanced Partnership discussions of all operator ticketing becoming the norm. I've also been advised that First WoE have already given notice on other services from April, so the rot hasn't been stopped yet.
I'm not surprised at that. You'd not be surprised to see headways widened on routes or some of the lesser ones going altogether - stuff like the 96 or all the other usual suspects that have been downsized over the years e.g. 72a, etc
 

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The Bristol day ticket currently costs £4.50 if bought via the app, so a rise to £5.30 is an increase of 80p, or 17.77%.
Thanks for that clarification, i hadn't noticed that the app ticket discount was being removed completely. That suggests that First no longer consider it needing promotion via a cost saving.
 

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Thanks for that clarification, i hadn't noticed that the app ticket discount was being removed completely. That suggests that First no longer consider it needing promotion via a cost saving.

It suggests to me that they are not concerned about dwell times. Unless they have a daily tap and cap option.
 

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I think it's all well and good operators crying victim that nothing is viable but what are they doing to improve viability? Generally nothing. Almost no where at all is it being promoted that bus travel is safe. One such firm in North Lincolnshire keeps sharing links to the Governments Safer Travel Guidance which gives the impression that it isn't safe as you need a guide to travel safer.


Operators need to start pushing the 'we are safe' thing again and combine that with a half reliable service, not full of random cancellations due to staff shortages. Yes, there is a shortage but make the reductions more full time rather than regularly cancelling random buses. It's then made worse when you can see that companies are putting zero effort into getting new drivers. Simply thinking a bog standard job advert on the website will suffice. It's a joke. Operators have gotten lazy and want everyone else to do the hard work for them and unfortunately, that isn't how the world works anymore and so the proverbial will hit the fan when the funding ends.
 

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I'm sure you're partly right but I guess that there are many operators running marginally profitable services who are close to despair. Too few passengers in general, too few paying full fares, too many staff problems and even the twirlies aren't feeling safe enough to venture out in the numbers that used to exist.
 

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I think it's all well and good operators crying victim that nothing is viable but what are they doing to improve viability? Generally nothing. Almost no where at all is it being promoted that bus travel is safe. One such firm in North Lincolnshire keeps sharing links to the Governments Safer Travel Guidance which gives the impression that it isn't safe as you need a guide to travel safer.


Operators need to start pushing the 'we are safe' thing again and combine that with a half reliable service, not full of random cancellations due to staff shortages. Yes, there is a shortage but make the reductions more full time rather than regularly cancelling random buses. It's then made worse when you can see that companies are putting zero effort into getting new drivers. Simply thinking a bog standard job advert on the website will suffice. It's a joke. Operators have gotten lazy and want everyone else to do the hard work for them and unfortunately, that isn't how the world works anymore and so the proverbial will hit the fan when the funding ends.
I'm glad you're so well versed on how all operators work.
 

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I'm glad you're so well versed on how all operators work.
It's not all operators, I will fully admit that but the majority at this stage are like that. Some operators are doing alright for drivers and trying to promote a little bit but surely you have to see that a very large majority are doing as per my post.
 

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It's not all operators, I will fully admit that but the majority at this stage are like that. Some operators are doing alright for drivers and trying to promote a little bit but surely you have to see that a very large majority are doing as per my post.
I think the problem is the expectation that the bus industry is capable of returning to the previous largely unfunded model far too quickly. Imagine the riots there would be in other sections of these forums if railway operations were being expected to return to pre-Covid levels of subsidy from April, and planners told to cut services accordingly to match the income. British public transport had become heavily reliant upon customers using expensive peak hour travel to pay the bills and right now none of us have that revenue.

Meanwhile the DfT is dithering around (presumably still drunk from a particularly good Downing Street garden party) and won't give any firm answers on whether any support for the bus industry will continue beyond April. This isn't helped by how painfully complicated they have made the system for claiming support, ably assisted by some experts from KPMG. Some operators still don't know what the calculations have dictated they will be entitled to for the services they've been running for the past four months. (As an aside, i gave up last August when CBSSG finished because the administrative burden of the paperwork was simply not worth it.)

The one thing i won't defend is the number of journeys being cancelled by major operators who should have implemented temporary timetables by now, although it probably wouldn't help because First and Stagecoach locally also remain truly abysmal at communicating service changes with passengers. Smaller operators have been considerably better in revising their services in order to make best use of the resources they have available.
 

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I think it's all well and good operators crying victim that nothing is viable but what are they doing to improve viability? Generally nothing. Almost no where at all is it being promoted that bus travel is safe. One such firm in North Lincolnshire keeps sharing links to the Governments Safer Travel Guidance which gives the impression that it isn't safe as you need a guide to travel safer.


Operators need to start pushing the 'we are safe' thing again and combine that with a half reliable service, not full of random cancellations due to staff shortages. Yes, there is a shortage but make the reductions more full time rather than regularly cancelling random buses. It's then made worse when you can see that companies are putting zero effort into getting new drivers. Simply thinking a bog standard job advert on the website will suffice. It's a joke. Operators have gotten lazy and want everyone else to do the hard work for them and unfortunately, that isn't how the world works anymore and so the proverbial will hit the fan when the funding ends.
The problem is that, even if operators want to, as soon as somebody starts shouting 'We're safe please use us' etc they'll be the target of thousands of abusive remarks on twitface about how they're encouraging people to spreed covid, kill their grand parents etc which will very quickly be picked up by the papers because, basically, they most journalists couldn't give a fig about buses (or public transport in general outside London). Even then public transport still has to operate under the masks rule which, whatever anybodies views on it are, isn't something you can base a major marketing campaign on; I'm not expecting Mr Sugar to suggest 'Try to promote public transport as a safe place, whilst also reinforcing the message that you should wear a mask because the person next to you may cough over you and kill you' as his next task! Sarcasm aside, that's the position everybody is in at the moment.
 

johncrossley

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I think the problem is the expectation that the bus industry is capable of returning to the previous largely unfunded model far too quickly.

If bus companies want to keep being subsidised, then surely they shouldn't still be behaving as if they are still deregulated? They are getting taxpayers' money, yet there is no competitive tendering. The council gets no say regarding routes or fares, unlike normal pre-Covid subsidised services, and there is no obligation to coordinate routes and fares with other operators. Yes, the privatised railways have been given money as well, but the government effectively nationalised them.
 

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Where I am, Borders Buses have been operating the same service level since June 2020 with a few tweaks along the way. I very much doubt that the pre-Covid timetables will be reinstated; the current situation with services stopping just after teatime is here to stay IMO.
 

Cesarcollie

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If bus companies want to keep being subsidised, then surely they shouldn't still be behaving as if they are still deregulated? They are getting taxpayers' money, yet there is no competitive tendering. The council gets no say regarding routes or fares, unlike normal pre-Covid subsidised services, and there is no obligation to coordinate routes and fares with other operators. Yes, the privatised railways have been given money as well, but the government effectively nationalised them.

local authorities do get a say in services, and fare rises are restricted to CPI, and mileage must not drop below 90%. These are all conditions of Bus Recovery Grant.
 
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