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Barnsley-based SR Gent plc was once M+S's main clothing supplier but went out of business in the mid 2000's as the high street retailer switched to overseas suppliers. This may, or may not, have broadly co-incided with the perceived change of non-food product quality.
 
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Barnsley-based SR Gent plc was once M+S's main clothing supplier but went out of business in the mid 2000's as the high street retailer switched to overseas suppliers. This may, or may not, have broadly co-incided with the perceived change of non-food product quality.
A relative of mine who worked in the Leicestershire clothing industry where M&S had many suppliers up until the mid 1990s or so told me that one of the issues was that suppliers were over dependent on the big UK high street buyers (M&S, BHS etc) BUT that said retailers often or always demanded exclusivity agreements from suppliers - ie the supplier if they wanted the M&S contract could only supply to M&S (for example) - presumably management felt they needed to agree to this. But of course the effect was that if the reatiler pulled the plug (as it did in the post GATT era and started to source overseas) the suppliers had no diversity of customer base which would help save the business.

I assume this info was accurate as my relative had worked in parts of the trade for some years - but of course I would stand corrected if others know differently.
 

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A relative of mine who worked in the Leicestershire clothing industry where M&S had many suppliers up until the mid 1990s or so told me that one of the issues was that suppliers were over dependent on the big UK high street buyers (M&S, BHS etc) BUT that said retailers often or always demanded exclusivity agreements from suppliers - ie the supplier if they wanted the M&S contract could only supply to M&S (for example) - presumably management felt they needed to agree to this. But of course the effect was that if the reatiler pulled the plug (as it did in the post GATT era and started to source overseas) the suppliers had no diversity of customer base which would help save the business.

I assume this info was accurate as my relative had worked in parts of the trade for some years - but of course I would stand corrected if others know differently.
I remember a factory near where I worked made Aluminium castings. Ford ended up getting their wheels exclusively, they expanded with loans. Then Ford started paying late and not reliably. The wheel manufacturer folded due to cash flow problems.
 

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Cash flow problems (such as late payment of invoices) when your primary customer is some big multinational, is a tried and tested route to your firm going bust. :(
 

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Cash flow problems (such as late payment of invoices) when your primary customer is some big multinational, is a tried and tested route to your firm going bust. :(
Yep. It is why I always wanted to never have all my business coming from one customer. I also wanted to avoid growing the business by using loans. But then I have never ended up with a business !.

I wonder. Are there a smaller proportion of small businesses these days compared to the past ?. It seems that way.
 

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All I know is that it seems to me that my M&S clothing wears out faster than it used to.
Even in my lifetime (late 20s) they’ve got worse. Trousers I bought when I was 18/19 lasted 6+ years, I have a pair I bought 3 years ago with holed pockets, failed seams and split hems…. I’ve not got weightier etc!
 

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Even in my lifetime (late 20s) they’ve got worse. Trousers I bought when I was 18/19 lasted 6+ years, I have a pair I bought 3 years ago with holed pockets, failed seams and split hems…. I’ve not got weightier etc!
What is the inflation-adjusted relative cost though? If you're paying the same or more for lower quality there's an issue, if you're paying less then you get what you pay for.
 

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What is the inflation-adjusted relative cost though? If you're paying the same or more for lower quality there's an issue, if you're paying less then you get what you pay for.
Appreciate this wasn't directed at me but as I've had the same experience I'll jump in.

Just looked through my old emails for M&S order acknowledgements, the crap trousers I last bought in May 2018 were exactly the same price as the good ones I bought in September 2015, so in real terms marginally cheaper but not by much. A real terms price decrease of probably no more than 5% doesn't come close to justifying the large drop in quality.
 

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Appreciate this wasn't directed at me but as I've had the same experience I'll jump in.

Just looked through my old emails for M&S order acknowledgements, the crap trousers I last bought in May 2018 were exactly the same price as the good ones I bought in September 2015, so in real terms marginally cheaper but not by much. A real terms price decrease of probably no more than 5% doesn't come close to justifying the large drop in quality.
These kind of things always bring to my mind the quote attributed to Henry Royce "The quality will remain long after the price is forgotten."

Which on a low level is the case when I have bought something (like an item of clothing say) and get annoyed that say 2 years later it is defunct due to some fault or poor production quality problem. The annoyance in my mind is always greater than the recollection of 'only having paid a bargain price for it' :lol:

Having said that I fully appreciate that for some people price is a big driver and they have little choice in the matter.
 

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These kind of things always bring to my mind the quote attributed to Henry Royce "The quality will remain long after the price is forgotten."

Which on a low level is the case when I have bought something (like an item of clothing say) and get annoyed that say 2 years later it is defunct due to some fault or poor production quality problem. The annoyance in my mind is always greater than the recollection of 'only having paid a bargain price for it' :lol:

Having said that I fully appreciate that for some people price is a big driver and they have little choice in the matter.
Um - TIME FOR A NEW THREAD.

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Can't remember if we've had those rag-doll type things that went on the handle part of upright hoovers? Almost as if somehow or other there was a stigma to having visitors being able to see your hoover!
 

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Can't remember if we've had those rag-doll type things that went on the handle part of upright hoovers? Almost as if somehow or other there was a stigma to having visitors being able to see your hoover!
That makes me wonder if we have had Eubanks (floor cleaners from the pre hoover age).
 

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Can't remember if we've had those rag-doll type things that went on the handle part of upright hoovers? Almost as if somehow or other there was a stigma to having visitors being able to see your hoover!
Isn’t it a bit of a thing to show off your hoover now? ‘Oh yar Jane and I have the latest Cordless Dyson, has a battery for 2 hours, sucks up 99% of germs, and only cost us £199’ very surprised there hasn’t been a Top Gear for Hoovers lately (and not Class 50’s! we all know 50033 is just Glorious!)
 

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Isn’t it a bit of a thing to show off your hoover now? ‘Oh yar Jane and I have the latest Cordless Dyson, has a battery for 2 hours, sucks up 99% of germs, and only cost us £199’ very surprised there hasn’t been a Top Gear for Hoovers lately (and not Class 50’s! we all know 50033 is just Glorious!)
I think it's mostly along the lines of cursing the Dyson for not working properly and complaining that they aren't as good as they used to be back when they were made in Britain. The cordless ones are naturally always flat.

Personally I get more use out of my 15 quid carpet sweeper
 

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I'm not going to trawl back through the previous 44 pages to find where but I believe I've seen carpet sweepers mentioned if not specifically Eubanks.
It was posted as “Ewbanks“ with a W, back in Jan 2021. But just “Ewbank” according to Googling.

I use a 22 year old Dyson, it works fine on boring old mains electricity. It has had a few spare parts fitted, but I think it’s much better than the battery type my daughter just binned.
 
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We have a battery Dyson which was great at first but after a couple of years the battery started to decline and we bought a Henry.
If you hoover regularly and don't have a large or dirty house, the Dysons are great. However, with two kids, two dogs and busy week days, we tend to hoover at the weekends at which point the 8-10 minutes we get on high suction isn't enough.
As it is, the Dyson is fine for whipping out and having a quick tidy up, saves faffing about with power cables.
 

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We have a battery Dyson which was great at first but after a couple of years the battery started to decline and we bought a Henry.
If you hoover regularly and don't have a large or dirty house, the Dysons are great. However, with two kids, two dogs and busy week days, we tend to hoover at the weekends at which point the 8-10 minutes we get on high suction isn't enough.
As it is, the Dyson is fine for whipping out and having a quick tidy up, saves faffing about with power cables.
I agree that batteries decline with age. I spend a lot of time checking and fettling my rechargeable NiMh AAA, AA, C & D batteries. The PP3 ones I sent t the recycing in disgust. It is why I am not rushing to get an electric car - a lot of very expensive batteries in them.

The other thing with cordless vacuum cleaners is to clean the washable filters. Although we had one slightly larger corded one where the filter got thrown away when the dust container was emptied !. That lead to the motor ingesting all sorts of crap that ended up on its commutator before I found out.

Yes it is the power cable that makes me lazy to cut the grass. I now have my Mothers old push cylinder mower which is OK for the small lawn I have - remember them ?.
 

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I had an excellent mini vacuum-cleaner bought in France, but found that I couldn’t get replacement filters over here. An old pair of tights left by my partner did for a while, but after that I had to had to buy cheap tights in the supermarket. It caused a few raised eyebrows amongst the girls at the tills. (That is my story and I am sticking to it.)
 

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I had an excellent mini vacuum-cleaner bought in France, but found that I couldn’t get replacement filters over here. An old pair of tights left by my partner did for a while, but after that I had to had to buy cheap tights in the supermarket. It caused a few raised eyebrows amongst the girls at the tills. (That is my story and I am sticking to it.)
You could have given yourself street cred by saying "oh I am a bank robber" !.
 

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It is why I am not rushing to get an electric car - a lot of very expensive batteries in them.
Lithium iron phosphate batteries now get 5000+ cycles with over 75% life left in them. With daily charging that's over ten year's service.
 

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Lithium iron phosphate batteries now get 5000+ cycles with over 75% life left in them. With daily charging that's over ten year's service.
Trouble is I buy cars that are more than ten years old. My daughter in law just bought a 12 plate car with a good service history. But it would be like having to assume there would be a need to replace the engine with a new one during her ownership if it were electric. How much are the batteries on a small electric car ?.

Mind you I expect the technology to improve over the following decades. I do not know how much saving in fuel costs could be used to offset the cost of batteries but it would be a big payment in one go when the time comes.
 

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Trouble is I buy cars that are more than ten years old. My daughter in law just bought a 12 plate car with a good service history. But it would be like having to assume there would be a need to replace the engine with a new one during her ownership if it were electric. How much are the batteries on a small electric car ?.

Mind you I expect the technology to improve over the following decades.
Electric drivetrains are so much simpler that, other than dodgy bodywork, the only difference between a new EV and a ten-year old one is likely the battery. Some manufacturers have designs that would allow replacement so it's entirely conceivable that in future "re-batteried" cars may well be the norm in the second-hand market.

As an aside, used battery packs from EVs make excellent backup storage batteries for solar/wind systems, even with c70% of their original rated capacity.
 

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Electric drivetrains are so much simpler that, other than dodgy bodywork, the only difference between a new EV and a ten-year old one is likely the battery. Some manufacturers have designs that would allow replacement so it's entirely conceivable that in future "re-batteried" cars may well be the norm in the second-hand market.

As an aside, used battery packs from EVs make excellent backup storage batteries for solar/wind systems, even with c70% of their original rated capacity.
Good to know the batteries can be re-purposed without needing to be re-manufactured.
 

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My aunt had one that consisted of a handle that hung down, a bit like the handle on an old, high-level toilet cistern.
My parents' old house (which I grew up in) still had an outside toilet with a high-level cistern right up until they moved from there ten years ago. We did also have an upstairs toilet, though (which had a high-level cistern until about the mid-1980s when we had it replaced by a low-level one).

Another type of toilet cistern that used to be commonplace but that I haven't seen for quite a long time is the low-level cistern with a button instead of a lever to flush the toilet. Cisterns with a kind of rectangular or oval shaped button on top used to be common in the 1970s and '80s but it seems like years since I last saw one. That said, my toilet cistern has a button but it's on the side, not on the top, and it was fitted a few years ago because the flush lever was no longer working and the plumber who fixed it didn't have a replacement lever, only a button.
 

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Another type of toilet cistern that used to be commonplace but that I haven't seen for quite a long time is the low-level cistern with a button instead of a lever to flush the toilet

odd, I never remember seeing many ‘button flushes‘ back then, but now all my toilets have them (all new in last 5 years).
 

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I think AY1975 was referring to the cistern with the large rectangular button in the top of the cistern.
Cisterns today have their buttons flush with the top of the cistern.
 
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