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People Just Dont Understand The Enthusiast

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4SRKT

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Shhh, no fighting at the back. Trespass on railway property: it's not clever and not legal. Have I done it - yes, it was part of my youthful teenage exuberance, some 25 years ago.

Track Basher: I agree with you about how it enables travel and geographic knowledge. My brother and I used to travel the four corners of the UK, completing our Rail Atlas and enjoying the independence.

I tell you what, in the years since, I've found it invaluable navigating when driving across country on A- and B-roads. No satnav for me, thanks!

For me, that's the stimulus I get - the voyage of discovery one associates with travel. It's what inspires my overload holidays around the world. The inclusion of rail travel is, of course, preferred but by no means mandatory.


Edit: 4SRKT! Ha, you posted as I writing! Our thoughts are one.

Even down to the use of the phrase 'youthful exuberance'!

I've even managed to make a successful career on the back of my interest. By the time I was 13 years old people were already starting to comment on my prodigious knowledge of UK geography and capacity to remember huge amounts of structured data (although not things like people's birthdays or whatever....). I'm now head of operations planning for a large parcel company, and am able to do things incredibly quickly simply because I know where everywhere in the country is in relation to everywhere else. Other people might be as good at the analysis part, but I can cut out the having to study maps or use software part: I just see the map in my head and it works out. I've overlaid the postcode map of the UK onto this already existing knowledge, and have a reputation for being the world's most geeky man in my company! I don't mind this one bit TBF, and quite enjoy doing my party piece at work do's of having postcodes fired at me and coming right back with the post town without hesitating. This has all come from studying the BR passenger timetable and Baker's Bible from an early age :)
 
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I keep my interest in the railway secret from my colleagues at work. No redundant water-taking that way! Sad it has to be like that, but hey. No doubt we've all been in a similar situation (I've only read the first two pages of this thread), so can sympathise with the OP and everyone else who hides their interest away from school/college/uni/work mates.

Dread to think what my colleagues would be like if they knew what I did in my spare time. Especially one of them. Thankfully I have other interests too (believe it or not!), so talk about those instead.
 

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The worst I've had are strange looks from cleaners or passengers, but never interrogation. I tend take the most pictures on desserted train station platforms and I feel like I'm acting suspicious for some reason, I guess because when eventually a train turns up and all the people pour out, I don't get on. It seems such a rare thing in London to see someone calmly just taking pictures as the rest of the crowd are rushing like headless chickens to their job or to their home. I guess it must seem kind of suspicious, but I still enjoy it. If anything I enjoy it more for the times when I speak with other rail enthusiasts - it makes it all the more special.
 

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It's certainly a love of geography and travel for me (im doing a PhD in geography and even though its not the trivia geography that train travel appeals to, its still driven by a fascination of different places). One thing I've wondered - are many members here also om SABRE, the roads equivalent? I am (under a different name) and id have thought a few other travel geeks must be?
 

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One point this discussion has highlighted is the a lot of people in this country do not have a basic understanding of where places are in the UK.

That's something I've certainly picked up. I've also found that a lot of people see very little of a country when they go abroad - they will stay around the resort their hotel is or (in the case of one of our canteen staff!) never leave the hotel complex! Travelling around by train (or other public transport for that matter) lets you see the real country. I remember in Portugal ending up at the end of a branch line at Mirandela for an hour or two, we found a local bar/restaurant and not one person spoke English, we managed to order our food by looking at what some locals were eating and pointing to it - even thugh none of us understood each other, we all got by and I think they enjoyed having some visitors. That's seeing a country properly.

Another thing this thread has highlighted is it dispels the myth that railway enthusiasts have no other interests other than trains - look at the diverse range of other things people are into that have been mentioned!
 

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One point this discussion has highlighted is the a lot of people in this country do not have a basic understanding of where places are in the UK.

And sat navs are making this exponentially worse; deskilling even driving around the country. Why bother knowing where anywhere is: the nerds programming the sat navs will take care of all that :)
 

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And sat navs are making this exponentially worse; deskilling even driving around the country. Why bother knowing where anywhere is: the nerds programming the sat navs will take care of all that :)

I tend to use a combination of my own navigation and the sat-nav, driving to my the vicinity of my destination, then using the satnav to guide me in. Saying that usually once I've been somewhere I can find my way back there unassisted!

Could probably find my way back to Leipzig without maps or sat-nav to some extent - though may have problems around eindhoven and Dortmund ring roads!
 

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That's something I've certainly picked up. I've also found that a lot of people see very little of a country when they go abroad - they will stay around the resort their hotel is or (in the case of one of our canteen staff!) never leave the hotel complex! Travelling around by train (or other public transport for that matter) lets you see the real country. I remember in Portugal ending up at the end of a branch line at Mirandela for an hour or two, we found a local bar/restaurant and not one person spoke English, we managed to order our food by looking at what some locals were eating and pointing to it - even thugh none of us understood each other, we all got by and I think they enjoyed having some visitors. That's seeing a country properly.

You're right there! We love to explore using public transport, and we usually get bored if we are in the same place for more than a couple of days - the thought of staying in a hotel or a resort for the whole holiday is horrible to us, although I can see that for some people it must be very relaxing!

Even when we go on a cruise we never bother with the overpriced organised excursions, it's much more fun to get out and about on your own! I think raile nthusaists must have more of a wander lust about them!
 

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You're right there! We love to explore using public transport, and we usually get bored if we are in the same place for more than a couple of days - the thought of staying in a hotel or a resort for the whole holiday is horrible to us, although I can see that for some people it must be very relaxing!

Even when we go on a cruise we never bother with the overpriced organised excursions, it's much more fun to get out and about on your own! I think raile nthusaists must have more of a wander lust about them!

When doing beach holidays with the parents we would look into how easy it was to get out and about. Certainly went out a bit in Ibiza and Zakinthos (though in the latter I tended to stay in the hotel room as I couldn't stand the heat during the day, I'd go out and about in the evening!)
 

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And sat navs are making this exponentially worse; deskilling even driving around the country. Why bother knowing where anywhere is: the nerds programming the sat navs will take care of all that :)

Agreed.

I like to *read* maps (rather than just skimming to find the basic information you need for a specific journey), but this is going to be a lost art.

Sat Navs are good at what they do, but they mean people lack the skills to think for themselves and have no appreciation for what lies around them (e.g. on a train journey, there are things I like to look out for, bits of history/ geography which add to the flavour of the journey)
 

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A number of very good points above. I have been to a number of different countries and hate staying around the hotel. Don't mind for a couple of days but enjoy getting out and seeing the place.

In 94 went round France and Italy by train for 3 weeks and we saw much more of the places. Children have prevented us doing it again. Now they are a bit older we are probably going to attempt to get Corfu by train next year stopping at a few places on the way. We will fly back.

With SatNavs they are only as good as the person place you put in. Whitchurch anyone?
 

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Having an interest in transportation improves your geographical awareness massively, in my opinion. When a station that is unknown to me is mentioned, I always look it up (and then the line e.t.c). You get to know where places are very quickly.

I don't think that anyone should be ashamed of their hobby at all. I don't broadcast that I am interested in transport, but I will tell them if I am asked.

I have other interests but I find that travel is my favourite. I love exploring new places in the UK and abroad. I too become restless if I am in the same spot. On a beach holiday, I can sunbathe for so long but then I have to go out! I'll get the bus to somewhere!

I am a bit of an all round travel enthusiast. I am very interested in railways and commercial aviation. I don't find spotting particularly interesting, but I very much enjoy travelling on new airlines and different types of aircraft and likewise with railways. I am registered on RailUK and Airliners.net (largest commercial avaition website in the world with millions of members). Airliners.net has a trip reports section where members post picture reports of journeys, a feature I'd love to see on RailUK.

I will purposely choose an interesting airline and aircraft (I flew a Singapore Airlines B77W from Manchester to Munich or a Let-410 to the Isle of Man for example) or deliberately include a certain train type on a journey.

I also have an interest in shipping and sailing. I enjoy taking catamaran rides to Ireland, overnight ferries to Scandinavia and sailing on my uncle's boat.

Coaches can be interesting at times. Rail replacement is a feastly variety of companies and coaches that normally wouldn't be available on public routes.
 

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There'll be plenty on here, you may just need to look back nthrough the old Tghreads (don't use search - it si awful on here!).

You'll generally find it'd just staff who are a bit <can't think of word> that oppose spotters, but it is idiots like the man at thurston (who was nearly splattered over Suffolk by a 170) that give you a bad name...

Out of interest, who takes the mick out of you?

Anyone that think's it is a bad hobby
 

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I don't think it a bad hobby. It can be incredibly frustrating at times. See section under EMU failure at Custom House on the way to North Woolwich. The voyager that kept losing time and the consequential taxi ride from Crewe to Abergavenny arriving home at 3 am.

It is also very rewarding. I will always have the memory of the most amazing piece of loco driving between Ardli and Glen Douglas with a Class 37/4 on the sleeper in 89 when the loco kept slipping virtually to a stand and the driver just kept it moving. The noise was and flames coming out the loco were amazing. Never to be repeated.

Definitely had more trips than bad.
 

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I don't know whether it's a bad hobby or not. It's what I do, what I have always done, and I can't imagine a time when I won't want to do it. You never, ever grow out of this, so be warned youngsters!
 

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I don't keep it secret, and I don't get any mickey taking but I do get a lot of enquiries about timetables from people wanting to travel...!:lol:

I can relate to this. I keep it secret for the most part but when I start reciting the stations at Manchester Piccadilly it becomes ever so slightly obvious :oops:
 
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I agree with the sentiments on this thread about how railway enthusiasm can help with geographical knowledge. It can lead to a much greater sense of confidence when darting around the country too. There's a freedom in knowing many places and being on the move. You can end up in places that you'd otherwise never have seen getting route coverage or when a TOC promotion is on. Due to my hobby I know at relatively short notice I can escape to the norfolk or south coasts for very little money. To echo others on here I would advise the young that although they may get a lot of stick now it will get a lot easier as they age as their peers mature and it is easier to choose who they associate with.
 

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Having an interest in transportation improves your geographical awareness massively, in my opinion. When a station that is unknown to me is mentioned, I always look it up (and then the line e.t.c). You get to know where places are very quickly.

I don't think that anyone should be ashamed of their hobby at all. I don't broadcast that I am interested in transport, but I will tell them if I am asked.

I have other interests but I find that travel is my favourite. I love exploring new places in the UK and abroad. I too become restless if I am in the same spot. On a beach holiday, I can sunbathe for so long but then I have to go out! I'll get the bus to somewhere!

I am a bit of an all round travel enthusiast. I am very interested in railways and commercial aviation. I don't find spotting particularly interesting, but I very much enjoy travelling on new airlines and different types of aircraft and likewise with railways. I am registered on RailUK and Airliners.net (largest commercial avaition website in the world with millions of members). Airliners.net has a trip reports section where members post picture reports of journeys, a feature I'd love to see on RailUK.

I will purposely choose an interesting airline and aircraft (I flew a Singapore Airlines B77W from Manchester to Munich or a Let-410 to the Isle of Man for example) or deliberately include a certain train type on a journey.

I also have an interest in shipping and sailing. I enjoy taking catamaran rides to Ireland, overnight ferries to Scandinavia and sailing on my uncle's boat.

Coaches can be interesting at times. Rail replacement is a feastly variety of companies and coaches that normally wouldn't be available on public routes.

Mainly quoting your post as it sums things up brilliantly for me. As I've mentioned on page 7 of this thread (oh, and I read the rest of the thread after all. Some rather different interests noticed!), I definitely don't broadcast my interest. It came up during the icebreaker for my job, don't think anyone that was there remembers though! However, like yourself and no doubt others, if asked I'd probably mention it. There's so much to explain though that sometimes it's simply easier not to though.

A lot of people just assume you go to a station and just take numbers. Yeah right! Imagine explaining much at all about bashing (loco/DMU/EMU and/or track) to someone who knows nowt about the hobby!

Not registered myself on that Airliners site, I may look into it later in the week if I remember. Not hugely into that scene, but I do have an interest. As for buses/coaches, certainly interested in that scene too. Good point on the vehicles used on rail replacement services that don't often get used on normal service routes, the only way to scoop some coaches/monsterous buses!

Glad I'm not the only one who likes to look up somewhere I've not heard of, it sure helps expand one's geographical knowledge. I didn't do great at geography (grade D at GCSE level), but I like it still. Being able to place even roughly where places are when someone asks is quite nice to be able to do. On a similar note, being a basher comes in handy when working out rough mileage from one place to another.

Then there's knowing timetables, service levels and patterns, which certainly comes in handy for when a 'norm' asks you for travel advice. The amount of times I've had family members ask about travelling from X to Y has reached some uncountable level. Which is where knowing something about fares restrictions and so on is extremely handy!

Exploring somewhere new by public transport (naturally enough, by rail being my primary and favourite way) is always fun. I must admit, one bit of your post got me determined to reply more than any other bit:

"I too become restless if I am in the same spot."

Tell me about it! Staying in one place all the time gets on my nerves. Indeed, I often get withdrawal symptoms if I've not gone out somewhere within 24 hours of getting back from a trip! Not been able to go exploring anywhere lately thanks to working and a lack of money until mid January (Frothmas always leaves me so skint, can we cancel it in 2011?), which has been getting very frustrating. Went 4 weeks without a trip anywhere recently, even just a trip to Swindon was a most welcome change!

Anyway, enough of me going on!
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I don't know whether it's a bad hobby or not. It's what I do, what I have always done, and I can't imagine a time when I won't want to do it. You never, ever grow out of this, so be warned youngsters!

Forgot to comment on this, I got engulfed in my reply to WestCoast. Had to reply though.

You've never had a time when you've wanted to jack it all in? Must have been a good lot of trips for you then! There's been a fair few times I've been going to give up the hobby, I even had a target date of 31/12/2005 once! Nearly 5 years on (good grief, how fast did that go?!), and I've wanted to give up a few times in that time, but whenever the scene starts to get stale, it has a tendancy to change elsewhere in it, which keeps the interest alive.

I think one word summarises rail enthusiasm for me:

Addictive.

No matter how many times I think "Yeah, I could easily find a new hobby", and actually try something different, it's impossible to just give up the enthusiasm for the railway! I've been enjoying the scene for a bit over 7 years (started October 2003), and whilst I predict some lows as well as highs in the coming years, I'll be an enthusiast until I die!
 

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Forgot to comment on this, I got engulfed in my reply to WestCoast. Had to reply though.

You've never had a time when you've wanted to jack it all in? Must have been a good lot of trips for you then! There's been a fair few times I've been going to give up the hobby, I even had a target date of 31/12/2005 once! Nearly 5 years on (good grief, how fast did that go?!), and I've wanted to give up a few times in that time, but whenever the scene starts to get stale, it has a tendancy to change elsewhere in it, which keeps the interest alive.

I think one word summarises rail enthusiasm for me:

Addictive.

No matter how many times I think "Yeah, I could easily find a new hobby", and actually try something different, it's impossible to just give up the enthusiasm for the railway! I've been enjoying the scene for a bit over 7 years (started October 2003), and whilst I predict some lows as well as highs in the coming years, I'll be an enthusiast until I die!

I certainly lapsed for a few years, when the pressures of a very young family meant I had no money and couldn't afford it. I used to travel to Holland a lot in those years and got my jollies on the NS double deckers and Koplopers, but it wasn't the same. I never lost interest though.

Then, a couple of years ago a new colleague asked if I wanted to go on The Capital Deltic. Did I ever! This was the tour that turned into the Capital Whistler and kicked it all back off again as a full blown addiction. It was a steep learning curve at first as the railway had changed significantly in the intervening years, but I'm now back up to speed.

With regard to the Scene, I've always been a bit of a lone wolf really, my main enthusiast partner being my father. My friends aren't interested in bashing, and I don't bore them with it!
 

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Fair play to that :)

Most of my friends are fellow enthusiasts and bashers, which makes for some nice evenings of looking back at past trips :)
 

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I'll be honest I don't understand spotters especially with the trains we have nowadays (steam trains I feel are pure quality but I really don't understand how anyone can get excited by a 142), but I do respect enthusiasts, myself I personally love the Victorian/Edwardian buildings and the styles of the day, the grandeur et al, but please gents/ladies I will always be glad to answer questions if possible but at places like Mcr Picc sometimes we get asked questions while doing safety critical operations and we try and be polite but we cannot concentrate on our job if we have an over enthusiastic person asking questions that to be honest I dont have a bloomin clue about lol
 

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(steam trains I feel are pure quality but I really don't understand how anyone can get excited by a 142)

Each to their own, I don't understand people who like Pendolinos but I wouldn't expect people to understand why I like Pacers.
 

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Each to their own, I don't understand people who like Pendolinos but I wouldn't expect people to understand why I like Pacers.

Some things have their own quaint charm. Perhaps some people would not understand why anyone would ever like GWR auto trains back when they were running. I happen to like 317s, but only because I remember them right back to when they were blue and grey.
 
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