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Omicron variant and the measures implemented in response to it

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This stress is not doing me any good. Right now two dozen people are having a debate that will mean in a matter of days we could be banned from visiting friends and family for an unknown period of time. Freedoms taken away at a whim as an act of covering up (successive) government's failures, and as an arbitary lever to pull to 'manage NHS capacity' in the event of a hypothetical worst case scenario.

Dec-March last year was grim, but at least we had the vaccine at the end of the tunnel. Now what? If we have lockdowns this year then what will be different next year?


Various rumours on twitter from the usual BBC, ITV and SKY journalists that it will be advice for Christmas, then back to 'Step 2' on December 27th for 2-4 weeks. Just in time for there to be a natural peak in cases and for lockdown to claim credit for saving the day.
 
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This stress is not doing me any good. Right now two dozen people are having a debate that will mean in a matter of days we could be banned from visiting friends and family for an unknown period of time. Freedoms taken away at a whim as an act of covering up (successive) government's failures, and as an arbitary lever to pull to 'manage NHS capacity' in the event of a hypothetical worst case scenario.

Dec-March last year was grim, but at least we had the vaccine at the end of the tunnel. Now what? If we have lockdowns this year then what will be different next year?


Various rumours on twitter from the usual BBC, ITV and SKY journalists that it will be advice for Christmas, then back to 'Step 2' on December 27th. Just in time for there to be a natural peak in cases and for lockdown to claim credit for saving the day.

This "will they or won't they?" is ridiculous, though if it were being thought out then it could well be to exasperate people so they say "stuff it, if you're going to bring it in then just do it".

Whatever happens, a lot of people aren't going to take a jot of notice. Trouble is, this doesn't help businesses.
 

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The fact that freedoms are talked about as though they're "treats" which can be taken away is particularly galling.
 

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All this talk of restrictions before Christmas could leave a number of folk in legal limbo. For example I know someone that has already travelled over 200 miles "home" for Christmas to stay with parents while one other family will visit them on Christmas day. They could end up being criminalised through no fault of thier own
 

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This stress is not doing me any good. Right now two dozen people are having a debate that will mean in a matter of days we could be banned from visiting friends and family for an unknown period of time. Freedoms taken away at a whim as an act of covering up (successive) government's failures, and as an arbitary lever to pull to 'manage NHS capacity' in the event of a hypothetical worst case scenario.

Dec-March last year was grim, but at least we had the vaccine at the end of the tunnel. Now what? If we have lockdowns this year then what will be different next year?


Various rumours on twitter from the usual BBC, ITV and SKY journalists that it will be advice for Christmas, then back to 'Step 2' on December 27th for 2-4 weeks. Just in time for there to be a natural peak in cases and for lockdown to claim credit for saving the day.
Bold is exactly how I feel today and am finding myself completely distracted from work waiting for news on what's going to happen. Just sat here feeling on edge, but I don't particularly want to.
 

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Bold is exactly how I feel today and am finding myself completely distracted from work waiting for news on what's going to happen. Just sat here feeling on edge, but I don't particularly want to.

You're by no means the only one. A lot of people are utterly, utterly sick of all this.

What annoys me most isn't even Covid itself, but the way the government have been carrying on.
 

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All this talk of restrictions before Christmas could leave a number of folk in legal limbo. For example I know someone that has already travelled over 200 miles "home" for Christmas to stay with parents while one other family will visit them on Christmas day. They could end up being criminalised through no fault of thier own
All C19 fines have about the same status as a car parking ticket and appear to operate in the same way with a discount if paid early which I don't think happens with normal fines.

This means they are really just a penalty charge notice from what I understand thus no one is criminalised if they are unlucky to get caught. But most were not caught last time.
 

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London 999 services normal despite major incident​


Jonathan Josephs
BBC business reporter

London’s emergency services say they are maintaining services as normal despite the capital’s mayor Sadiq Khan declaring a “major incident” over the weekend as cases of the Omicron variant continue to grow.
Despite the challenges of coronavirus, the Metropolitan Police says they are “continuing to provide a resilient and strong policing service to London.”
Similarly the London Fire Brigade says they have maintained their response time targets of six to eight minutes throughout the pandemic.

So London's emergency services are continuing to operate as much as normal, despite the London Mayor pressing the panic button. Hopefully they are able to maintain services over the next few weeks and manage the disruption.
 

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Whatever happens, a lot of people aren't going to take a jot of notice. Trouble is, this doesn't help businesses.

If they close pubs and restaurants people will just meet up in each others homes regardless of what the rules say because such gatherings are largely unenforceable.

I've done everything the government asked "to get us out of this" including getting a third jab and (an unnecessary for my age in my opinion) flue jab and they still threaten me with more restrictions.

I'm thoroughly sick of all this now.

A lot of people are utterly, utterly sick of all this.

Indeed!
 

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You're by no means the only one. A lot of people are utterly, utterly sick of all this.

What annoys me most isn't even Covid itself, but the way the government have been carrying on.
Covid is just a natural virus. Nothing to get annoyed about at all.
On the other hand, the government's actions (or lack of them!) have been absolutely disgusting.
 

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Various rumours on twitter from the usual BBC, ITV and SKY journalists that it will be advice for Christmas, then back to 'Step 2' on December 27th for 2-4 weeks. Just in time for there to be a natural peak in cases and for lockdown to claim credit for saving the day.
Steven Swinford is saying the plan is to enter a circuit-breaker two-week lockdown on the 28th. (So, basically, kicking it into the long grass while the public forgets about the PM's lockdown misdemeanours.)

They can't take New Year from us - that's non-negotiable. I think the public are fully against them now, save the FBPE crowd.
 

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Dec-March last year was grim, but at least we had the vaccine at the end of the tunnel. Now what? If we have lockdowns this year then what will be different next year?
We are in a rather different situation now.

Compared to last year, Omicron is much more transmissible. However, thanks to vaccines it will have a less serious impact in terms of total numbers of hospitalisations and deaths than compared to a year ago when we were faced with the Alpha wave hitting a largely unvaccinated population.

Restrictions are now being considered to prevent hospitalisations happening within a very short space of time which could swamp hospital capacity and leave people in need of help going untreated. Also (presumably) it's to try and get as many people as possible boosted before they are exposed to Omicron.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that Omicron spreads so fast that its impact will be of relatively short duration, but we're yet to understand how severe the impact will be.
 
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If they close pubs and restaurants people will just meet up in each others homes regardless of what the rules say because such gatherings are largely unenforceable.

That's exactly what will happen. Apart from the very early stages of the March 2020 lockdown, this has been going on right through.
 

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We are in a rather different situation now.

Compared to last year, Omicron is much more transmissible. However, thanks to vaccines it will have a less serious impact in terms of total numbers of hospitalisations and deaths than compared to a year ago when we were faced with the Alpha wave hitting a largely unvaccinated population.

Restrictions are now being considered to prevent hospitalisations happening within a very short space of time which could swamp hospital capacity and leave people in need of help untreated. Also (presumably) it's to try and get as many people as possible boosted before they are exposed to Omicron.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that Omicron spreads so fast that its impact will be of relatively short duration, but we're yet to understand how severe the impact will be.
Sorry I don't believe a word of it. History shows that once these things get brought in they drag on for months. Masks were supposed to last until tomorrow, but strangely there is zero sign of them going.

I'm pretty sick and tired of hearing about the NHS, and how we need to have our lives restricted to "protect" it. If the NHS can't do the job it is there to do without such draconian restrictions on people every few months than maybe it's time we looked at a better system.
 

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We are in a rather different situation now.

Compared to last year, Omicron is much more transmissible. However, thanks to vaccines it will have a less serious impact in terms of total numbers of hospitalisations and deaths than compared to a year ago when we were faced with the Alpha wave hitting a largely unvaccinated population.

Restrictions are now being considered to prevent hospitalisations happening within a very short space of time which could swamp hospital capacity and leave people in need of help going untreated. Also (presumably) it's to try and get as many people as possible boosted before they are exposed to Omicron.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that Omicron spreads so fast that its impact will be of relatively short duration, but we're yet to understand how severe the impact will be.
Sorry I can't believe this either. Every scrap of goodwill I had is gone along with what little trust I had in the government. Even if every single one of them is whiter than white from this point on, no more hypocrisy from any of them, no more false promises etc I will never trust them again or believe a word they say. I don't believe any restrictions will only be for 2 weeks, they will keep finding excuses to extend and extend them.
 

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We are in a rather different situation now.

Compared to last year, Omicron is much more transmissible. However, thanks to vaccines it will have a less serious impact in terms of total numbers of hospitalisations and deaths than compared to a year ago when we were faced with the Alpha wave hitting a largely unvaccinated population.

Restrictions are now being considered to prevent hospitalisations happening within a very short space of time which could swamp hospital capacity and leave people in need of help going untreated. Also (presumably) it's to try and get as many people as possible boosted before they are exposed to Omicron.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that Omicron spreads so fast that its impact will be of relatively short duration, but we're yet to understand how severe the impact will be.
Another sorry..... if we don't fight this now, this will happen every SINGLE year and we will never have a normal Christmas again with colds, flu and covid.

NHS is always busy this time of the year, pre-covid. NHS should be planning and should be prepared, with funding focused on supporting the NHS, rather than paying for the costs of restrictions and policies.


Here is a news story from 8th December 2018 with no restrictions nor huge amount of care given by members of the public.


Hospitals in race to combat ‘toughest ever’ winter crisis for NHS​

Hospitals are bringing in GPs, reopening mothballed wards and offering daycare for their staff’s children in a desperate attempt to avoid being overwhelmed this winter.

NHS trusts are expanding A&Es, paying for patients to be cared for in nursing homes and looking after more people at home to help them cope with the impending winter crisis, which experts have warned will be the toughest ever. Patients also face being moved between hospitals to help relieve overcrowding as the NHS braces for a surge in demand during December, January and February.

The unprecedented array of emergency measures are a response to signs that in some places the number of people turning up at A&E is as much as 30% higher than a year ago.

Each day Southend hospital in Essex is sending 50 patients with minor ailments to see a GP or practice nurse instead of A&E staff. The Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh trust in Lancashire (WWL) plans to open its GP-run walk-in centre at Wigan Infirmary, all day, every day in January. Currently it is open from 9am to 9pm.

Andrew Foster, WWL’s chief executive, said: “The good news is that we don’t have the flu we had last winter and have put a lot of things in place for this winter. The bad news is that 4% more people than last year are arriving at A&E, the number we’re admitting is 12% up on last year and the people coming in are sicker.”

Nottingham’s main hospital trust has added 10 cubicles to A&E and has refurbished a unit to provide 48 beds across two new temporary wards.

In the north-east, nine hospitals will divert non-urgent patients to each other, depending on how busy they are, using an app developed with the regional NHS ambulance service. In the north-west, ambulance crews and hospital trusts are collaborating to cut the number of people they take to hospital after a 999 call by 40% by treating more at the scene, getting a nurse to come to them or arranging social care instead.

Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells trust in Kent has launched a “hospital at home” service in tandem with the county’s community healthcare trust under which patients who can be safely looked after at home are visited by nurses and therapists rather than taking up a hospital bed.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...er-health-crisis-due-to-pollution-say-doctors
Pressure on beds has prompted the trust that runs Ipswich and Colchester hospitals to hire 70 nursing home beds for patients who do not need to be admitted or are undergoing rehabilitation. However, the homes’ owners hit the trust with a last-minute price rise, from £750 to £1,000 per bed a week. Sherwood Forest trust in Nottinghamshire also bought 20 care home places, which are already full.

Professor Keith Willett, NHS England’s medical director for acute care, praised trusts for putting in place “innovative and practical measures”.

“Following an unprecedented summer surge, the NHS is going into this winter under pressure but with hospitals preparing very carefully, learning from what worked from last winter ,The wider NHS has also developed measures to ease pressure, helped by even more doctors, nurses and pharmacists working in NHS 111 and greater access to evening and weekend GP appointments,” he added.

Trusts also plan to help staff cope with any disruption from a repeat of last winter’s prolonged snow. Northampton has struck a deal with a specialist 4x4 transport service to collect snowbound nurses and doctors and get them to work. It is also reviving its “snow school” activity group for children for days when schools are shut due to bad weather so their parents do not have to miss shifts. “We expect this winter to be tougher than last,” said Sonia Swart, the trust’s chief executive. By Friday, the number of people who had attended its A&E was already at 99,001 – about 30% higher than the same time last year.

But Nick Scriven, president of the Society for Acute Medicine, which represents some hospital doctors, doubted the measures would stop the NHS going into meltdown. “I’m afraid the NHS plan for winter this year could be summed up yet again as too little too late,” he said.

Chris Hopson, the chief executive of NHS Providers, which represents trusts, said: “Trusts have once again gone to great lengths to prepare ahead of what is likely to be an extremely challenging winter.”

“Despite these efforts, no one should be in any doubt that the next few months will be extremely tough. We have slipped back in terms of performance against the main NHS targets compared to this time last year, finances are stretched, social care and GPs are under greater pressure and workforce shortages have got worse.

“Trusts tell us that this winter is therefore likely to be more difficult than the last, despite all the preparation work they have been doing,” Hopson added.
 
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Sorry I don't believe a word of it. History shows that once these things get brought in they drag on for months. Masks were supposed to last until tomorrow, but strangely there is zero sign of them going.

I'm pretty sick and tired of hearing about the NHS, and how we need to have our lives restricted to "protect" it. If the NHS can't do the job it is there to do without such draconian restrictions on people every few months than maybe it's time we looked at a better system.
Agree 100%
 

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We are in a rather different situation now.

Compared to last year, Omicron is much more transmissible. However, thanks to vaccines it will have a less serious impact in terms of total numbers of hospitalisations and deaths than compared to a year ago when we were faced with the Alpha wave hitting a largely unvaccinated population.

Restrictions are now being considered to prevent hospitalisations happening within a very short space of time which could swamp hospital capacity and leave people in need of help going untreated. Also (presumably) it's to try and get as many people as possible boosted before they are exposed to Omicron.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that Omicron spreads so fast that its impact will be of relatively short duration, but we're yet to understand how severe the impact will be.

On the flip side what about peoples livelihoods do we just forget about them for another year? There is more at stake here, pubs hotels probably more than I can think of hitting the wall and we just sit back and let it happen?

I still can’t get to a GP if I have issues (Scotland) but yet I can be waiting 2 weeks for an appointment and as I said somewhere on here I’m still waiting on if I will ever see if I am on the autism spectrum but sure that’s ok it doesn’t matter it’s not important (what might not be important to some is to others but I wish we would stop this pandering around)
 

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On the flip side what about peoples livelihoods do we just forget about them for another year? There is more at stake here.
Exactly. We can't keep having restrictions imposed on us every time the NHS is struggling, or every time a new varient comes along.
 

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I'm pretty sick and tired of hearing about the NHS, and how we need to have our lives restricted to "protect" it.
When people say "protect the NHS", they're not talking about some abstract bureaucracy. They are talking about the ability of your local hospital, and all hospitals in the country, to cope with demand. Fundamentally it's about protecting PATIENTS, so that when someone needs to go to hospital, the hospital is able to take them in and treat them.

If the NHS can't do the job it is there to do with such draconian restrictions on people every few months than maybe it's time we looked at a better system.
I think a bit more respect is due to NHS staff who have worked their arses off for nearly two years now, often at great personal risk, with little to show for it but clapping.

It's not the NHS as a system which is at fault. No health care system in the world has been able to cope with Covid without imposing restrictions on the public. The reason is very simple - the sort of extra capacity you're talking about is incredibly expensive to provide and for most of the time wouldn't get used. And besides, given the cuts the NHS has has to endure, criticising the NHS for not doing its job properly comes across as gaslighting.
 

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Exactly. We can't keep having restrictions imposed on us every time the NHS is struggling, or every time a new varient comes along.

Isn’t that what you call… forward planning? People are quick to throw this at businesses so why haven’t the government(s) and NHS thought ahead? I’ll partly defend the NHS in terms of cuts but then shouldn’t they cut back on the middle men to retain staffing? (just opinion I don’t have facts/figures here!)
 

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Steven Swinford is saying the plan is to enter a circuit-breaker two-week lockdown on the 28th. (So, basically, kicking it into the long grass while the public forgets about the PM's lockdown misdemeanours.)

They can't take New Year from us - that's non-negotiable. I think the public are fully against them now, save the FBPE crowd.

That would be atricious if so. People rely on the multiple bank holidays at Christmas and Easter to be able to see family and friends all at once, and so far we have had Easter 2020 and Christmas 2020 taken away from last fairly last minute, and Easter 2021 was a write off too. I'm really looking forward to the week between Christmas and New Year for various reasons, as I know many others are, and if they take that away I can't see the public taking it well.
 

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When people say "protect the NHS", they're not talking about some abstract bureaucracy. They are talking about the ability of your local hospital, and all hospitals in the country, to cope with demand. Fundamentally it's about protecting PATIENTS, so that when someone needs to go to hospital, the hospital is able to take them in and treat them.

recent bad experience then: family relative complaining of Gallbladder, took into hospital month or so ago to then let go and put on tablets, yesterday back in again for same issue - sorry but for me something wrong here!

I was under the impression that say issue arose it got dealt with, to me this seems like flogging a dead horse - take some meds you will be fine - it’s not the right approach regardless going to hospital let alone GP.
 

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Sorry I can't believe this either. Every scrap of goodwill I had is gone along with what little trust I had in the government. Even if every single one of them is whiter than white from this point on, no more hypocrisy from any of them, no more false promises etc I will never trust them again or believe a word they say.
I'm the last person to be advocating for this government. I completely agree, they cannot be trusted with anything.

I don't believe any restrictions will only be for 2 weeks, they will keep finding excuses to extend and extend them.
Who knows. I'm not sold on restrictions to be honest. But my view is that if they are applied they will be significantly shorter than previously due to the speed at which Omicron spreads. But who knows - making predictions is difficult, and particularly about the future.
 

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When people say "protect the NHS", they're not talking about some abstract bureaucracy. They are talking about the ability of your local hospital, and all hospitals in the country, to cope with demand. Fundamentally it's about protecting PATIENTS, so that when someone needs to go to hospital, the hospital is able to take them in and treat them.


I think a bit more respect is due to NHS staff who have worked their arses off for nearly two years now, often at great personal risk, with little to show for it but clapping.

It's not the NHS as a system which is at fault. No health care system in the world has been able to cope with Covid without imposing restrictions on the public. The reason is very simple - the sort of extra capacity you're talking about is incredibly expensive to provide and for most of the time wouldn't get used. And besides, given the cuts the NHS has has to endure, criticising the NHS for not doing its job properly comes across as gaslighting.
Just to clarify I do not blame the doctors, nurses, hospital porters etc etc on the ground, they have all tried their best during this. I do however lay blame at the door of successive governments and NHS management.
 

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I give up

I hope all of those who want restrictions are happy with themselves- - you truly have no idea the pain, suffering and misery that you are causing to so many across the Country.
 

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It's an absolute mental rollercoaster all this. This morning there were encouraging signs Johnson will at least not order a lockdown. But I feel it's very possible he could still go with this. We have to hang on till 5pm to find out.
 

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I'm the last person to be advocating for this government. I completely agree, they cannot be trusted with anything.


Who knows. I'm not sold on restrictions to be honest. But my view is that if they are applied they will be significantly shorter than previously due to the speed at which Omicron spreads. But who knows - making predictions is difficult, and particularly about the future.

I think the problem on restrictions is that nobody will believe that they will only be for 2-4 weeks. I'm not sold on them either, and what concerns me is that anything introduced in the winter is likely to see mission creep due to "winter strains" etc as has been seen before. It'll end up being March before vague normality returns.
 

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recent bad experience then: family relative complaining of Gallbladder, took into hospital month or so ago to then let go and put on tablets, yesterday back in again for same issue - sorry but for me something wrong here!

Then there's the issue of GP access, which has been a major problem right through this. There would be more sympathy for the NHS if this one issue had been addressed, or showed any sign of being taken seriously.

How about adding to the daily Covid stats a figure for "number of people who got access to a GP today" and "percentage of those people who sought access to a GP today who actually got access to one"?

It's a bit like the CBI speech. People expected (or perhaps they didn't!) Johnson to give a speech on what measures are being taken to help businesses, instead they got to hear about Peppa Pig. This government simply isn't on top of salient issues.
 
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