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The 27 worked the morning Glasgow-Oban, the mid-day Oban-Glasgow, the evening Glasgow-Oban and the overnight Oban-Cadder freight. The 29 worked the 01 00 Glasgow-Oban passenger, news and mail, any local shunting and trips (such as taking the oil tanks to Connel Ferry) and then returned South with the 17 40 to Glasgow. At that time, there was no mid-day Glasgow-Oban service, so there must have been another loco for the overnight Cadder-Oban freight but, at the time, I couldn't work out the diagram, as I rarely recall ever seeing a double-headed train coming from Oban. Perhaps @Cheshire Scot could enlighten us as to how it worked in the seventies?
Yes, @D6130 I can indeed spread light on workings in the early seventies, but before that will reflect on school days (with some further digression from the core subject) having observed the same West Highland trains through the same school windows as yourself.

I was not offered any opportunities for trips away in my Primary School days other than in primary 7 (which was also known as the Qualifying Class even though there was no longer any qualifying as the eleven plus had by then been abolished in Scotland and secondary school groupings were decided by performance in a series of IQ tests the results of which were secret), we got a day trip which in my year ws on the Loch Lomond paddle steamer Maid of the Loch although I was already no stranger to that vessel. We set off by train changing at Dalreoch for Balloch Pier and sailed up the Loch to Tarbet where we probably passed the time playing games in a nearby field whilst 'The Maid' sailed on to Inversnaid and 'cruise to the head of the loch' (Ardlui Pier had closed by then) and back. We must have gone on a Tuesday or a Thursday as on those days the return sailing was one leg of the 'Three Lochs Tour' which set off from Craigendoran on 'PS Waverley or other vessel' (in my experience always Waverley), calling at Gourock and Dunoon to pick up passengers (including at the latter those who had connected from Rothesay) before heading up Loch Long, then Loch Goil then further up Loch Long to terminate at Arrochar. Passengers made their own way to Tarbet to pick up the southbound Maid of the Loch sailing. Arrivng back at Balloch Pier there were two waiting trains, one the regular half hourly Balloch Central to Bridgeton Central (starting back from the pier) which those passengers who had travelled in the morning to Craigendoran from Glasgow and north Clydeside stations took, whilst in the other platform was the 16.05 TThO to Craigendoran calling only at Dumbarton Central to reverse and conveying passengers who had joined the Three Lochs at Craigendoran, Gourock or Dunoon with a direct sailing back to Rothesay. This was one of several trains which used platform 1 at Craigendoran, the pier platform, in that era. Our teacher ignored my plea that this train was going to Craigendoran and we boarded the Bridgeton train and changed again at Dalreoch (which did actually get us home quicker). By then the Craigendoran train was an AM3 (303), but when I travelled on it a few years earlier it was a rake of non corridor coaches with an NBL type 2 on the front (run round at Dumbarton). I suspect this was because there were not enough 303s to cover this twice weekly summer only train, and I suspect it may have been the cessation of the workers trains to the 6 platform Singer Works station which closed in the early sixties having latterly been served by EMUs that provided increased availability of EMUs to work this train.

I did however get one overnight away with Cubs when members of several packs descended on the Cardross Scout hut for what was probably a district overnight stop. Rhu Cubs may well have been included but I do not recall the detail.

Back to the Oban line. In the early 70s, when the same timetable structure as in 1968 was in place, the workings were as follows:
The loco off the evening (18.35) from Queen St worked the 01.05 Oban to Cadder. This met the 01.00 at Crianlarich and provided the traincrew balance.
The loco off the 01.00 worked back on the 07.55 from Oban, the traincrew balance being the 03.50 goods from Cadder which it crossed at Dalmally.
The loco off the 03.50 did all the freight shunting - freight in that era being oil to Connell (Shell), to Oban Goods (ESSO) and to the pier sidings (BP which included fuel for the fishing and ferry fleet). Also coal for the goods yard (accessed from Oban Goods Junction) and any van traffic mainly NCL sundries for the sidings adjacent to the station. The 03.50 from Cadder also services Crianlarich (Upper Yard) with two or three wagons of coal per week and on Wednesdays the weekly NCL sundries van from Sighthill.
Having dealt with the freight the 03.50 loco (and crew) were on hand to shunt when the 08.35 from Queen St arrived and either this loco or that off the 08.35 worked the 12.25 back. The 08.35 and 12.25 were an out and back for an Eastfield footplate crew and Queen St Guard. Like almost all West Highland workings this had to be double manned as there was no PNB opportunity although having the Oban crew and loco on hand at least gave them a break from the footplate, and they were booked relief at Cowlairs Box to keep the turn within the then maximum of 8hrs plus up to one hour rostered overtime (likewise the crew on the 0600 Queen St Fort William who worked to Tulloch or Spean Bridge and back depending on the timetable year).
Anyway, back to Oban, whichever loco had not worked the 12.25 then worked the 17.40.
When the midday train (12.55) from Glasgow was introduced the service became unbalanced as the 01.00 continued to run with news, mails and parcels conveying one BG and was latterly re-instated as a passenger train with a CK added to the BG. This imbalance meant the 17.40 was then double headed although on 24th May 1979 it must have been single headed as a shortage of locos in Fort William meant the crew for the Crianlarich timber train were sent passenger to Crianlarich and an Oban crew delivered 27009 to Crianlarich Lower Yard to work the timber to Corpach- did they retain that knowledge for occasional ballast workings or just say 'we haven't been there since the mid 1960's, we'll just go for old times sake'! Unlike today it would require some seriously late running or special workings for Fort William and Oban crews to encounter each other.
Both the 01.05 and 03.50 ran as light engines on Saturdays to maintain the crew and loco balances.

In later years I did 'camp' many times at Crianlarich when relieving there, with my air bed and sleeping bag on the floor of the Booking Office or Supervisors Office (depending on which job I was covering) whilst claiming the pitiful 'lodging allowance' of the day which fell well short of the cost of 'proper' overnight accommodation (I would guess one full weeks lodging allowance would just about have covered one night in B&B accommodation).
 
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Thanks for that @Cheshire Scot. I gave up trying to highlight your lengthy and very interesting response! I had forgotten about the additional 03 50 Down Freight to Oban. Presumably one of the freights would be double-headed if there was a requirement for a ballast train from Oban. Apologies for veering slightly OT here!
 

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Detailed railway memories, very good.

From the school exchange trip to Germany I do remember the Youth Hostel at Altena ("Colditz") and the strange buses with two decks at the back and one at the front, and the Hoverspeed over the channel, and the taste of wurst and coffee. Not sure if we visited the school over there, wish I could remember.
 

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Thanks for that @Cheshire Scot. I gave up trying to highlight your lengthy and very interesting response! I had forgotten about the additional 03 50 Down Freight to Oban. Presumably one of the freights would be double-headed if there was a requirement for a ballast train from Oban. Apologies for veering slightly OT here!
The 17.40 loco would be available after departure of the 12.25, so a decent window for any ballast workings, otherwise potentially, yes another loco would need to be provided. I only relieved in Oban on odd occasions in 1984/1985 so don't recall any specifics - the second of two supervisory posts in Oban was abolished 1984, he was there when I trained/familiarised myself with the area, but gone by the time I made my occasional visits. Being (by grade) the junior relief it required at least two others to be otherwise engaged before I would be sent to Oban, and in mid 1985 I moved into a non-relief job
I did enjoy Oban (and there I did use a B&B rather than the office floor) as it pretty much ran itself without any need to intervene other than the odd occasion when a driver might say 'I'm not doing that' and then having drawn it to my attention and had his rant, go off and do precisely what he wasn't going to do!

Much of the routine minor P Way work was done by the Civil Engineers 'Schoma' self powered trolley based in Crianlarich which was out everyday somewhere around the patch.

I imagine most genuine 'ballast' workings out of Oban would have been on a Sunday when there were no booked trains in that era (other than the summer peak Edinburgh/Deltic workings) and traincrew would be more available (at a cost as was the case for Sunday work anywhere) than during the week on a tight roster.
 

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When I first went to Grammar School some of the other boys took a dislike to me because I was far more interested in the railway than football and so they wanted to bully me, my favorite memory from school was when they found out that I had been boxing since I was six, trained by my father who was an amateur boxer of a degree of distinction.
Why do I get the feeling that one of these facts might have caused the sudden and unexpected discovery of the other?
 

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Someone letting a stray dog into the school and it wandering the corridors.
When I was a teacher, some lad asked for the window on the ground floor to be opened ‘because it’s too hot in here’. When I did so, he just shouted ‘Buster’ and this huge dog just jumped through the window. It certainly buggered up the geography lesson, but I was so surprised I don’t think I punished him. I’d better not put his name as he joined the SAS later.
 

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This occurred to me while reading about Daft School Rules, but it was quite a good idea.

At my middling High School the girls did cookery and sewing. The boys did metalwork and woodwork. For one term girls did boys subjects and vice-versa. Of all the skills, cooking is the one I have done most of by a great margin.

Not done much woodwork or metalwork (what we were taught is mechanised now) but I somehow taught myself to fix everything on a bicycle and some tasks on a car (oil and filter change!)
 

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This occurred to me while reading about Daft School Rules, but it was quite a good idea.

At my middling High School the girls did cookery and sewing. The boys did metalwork and woodwork. For one term girls did boys subjects and vice-versa. Of all the skills, cooking is the one I have done most of by a great margin.

Not done much woodwork or metalwork (what we were taught is mechanised now) but I somehow taught myself to fix everything on a bicycle and some tasks on a car (oil and filter change!)
At our school, the boys did Woodwork and Metalwork and the Girls did cokkery and needlework and there was no way that these could be swapped, cookery would have been much better for me.
 

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We had a Maths teacher, Mr Russell, who was a railway enthusiast and he started a railway club. This was really a great little club and we eventually had a model railway section as well. Highlight of the year was that the School would book the outdoor study centre at Beattock Summit for a week.
 

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We had a Maths teacher, Mr Russell, who was a railway enthusiast and he started a railway club. This was really a great little club and we eventually had a model railway section as well. Highlight of the year was that the School would book the outdoor study centre at Beattock Summit for a week.
Children at Colwall Downs School could match that, there is a miniature steam railway in the grounds (opened 1925!)
 

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At our school, the boys did Woodwork and Metalwork and the Girls did cokkery and needlework and there was no way that these could be swapped, cookery would have been much better for me.
I went to a boys' school where woodwork was a compulsory subject for all - after five years, my coffee table had never got beyond the first leg, but it came in useful for Mr Maslin to hit me with. When we began second year we were expected to join the CCF, but it wasn't compulsory. My natural inclination was to give it a miss UNTIL I discovered that extra woodwork was the alternative! Not a bad decision, I was the first one in my year to get promoted to Sub Lieutenant, the only time in my school career I was put in a position of petty authority.

P.S. My sister at a girls' school was equally as bad at cookery as I was at woodwork. Her rock buns were aptly named: thankfully, any other monstrosties are now forgotten. Wish I'd learned cookery though, and sewing.
 

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When I was in upper 6th (year 13 nowadays) at a 'bog standard comprehensive', our A level music class - including the teachers - occasionally went to the pub together during the lunch hour. We were all over 18 by then, and it was with the tacit blessing of the head, who just advised that we removed our school ties! I don't think any of us had alcohol at lunchtime, but I can't be sure!
Given this was a small town (next nearest secondary school 12 miles away) and an even smaller village pub we went to (my local as it happened) I think it's fair to say that the landlord and any locals who passed knew most of us!

This would have been 1991 and I suspect it couldn't happen now;)
 

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When I was in upper 6th (year 13 nowadays) at a 'bog standard comprehensive', our A level music class - including the teachers - occasionally went to the pub together during the lunch hour. We were all over 18 by then, and it was with the tacit blessing of the head, who just advised that we removed our school ties! I don't think any of us had alcohol at lunchtime, but I can't be sure!
Given this was a small town (next nearest secondary school 12 miles away) and an even smaller village pub we went to (my local as it happened) I think it's fair to say that the landlord and any locals who passed knew most of us!

This would have been 1991 and I suspect it couldn't happen now;)
Sounds wonderful.
 

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The art teacher had a model railway layout in his classroom. We used to work on it after school.

The physics teacher always had a guitar in the room, and did a blistering rendition of House of The Rising Sun. My best memory was abandoning the lesson one day to let us watch the 1981 Headingley test match.
 

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When I was in upper 6th (year 13 nowadays) at a 'bog standard comprehensive', our A level music class - including the teachers - occasionally went to the pub together during the lunch hour. We were all over 18 by then, and it was with the tacit blessing of the head, who just advised that we removed our school ties! I don't think any of us had alcohol at lunchtime, but I can't be sure!
Given this was a small town (next nearest secondary school 12 miles away) and an even smaller village pub we went to (my local as it happened) I think it's fair to say that the landlord and any locals who passed knew most of us!

This would have been 1991 and I suspect it couldn't happen now;)

I remember going to the pub at lunchtime when I was at school as well. We were caught inside the pub by a teacher, which led to a meeting with our guidance teacher (Scottish schools generally don't have heads of year, but rather a guidance teacher looks after several classes in a pastoral capacity) about our actions. The first thing we did was ask *why* the teacher was in the pub at lunchtime, which was met with "well, he's an adult". We pointed out that we were all over 18, so she turned to her next line: "it's not allowed". So we asked for the rules on that matter, as it had never been mentioned to us that going to the pub was banned.

Anyway, after a good half hour was spent on this topic, where we refused to accept any wrongdoing, she agreed to get the headteacher involved. He comes in, sits down, and gets the story - that we were going to the pub at lunchtime to drink soft drinks and play pool. He laughed, said that it was a creative use of a lunch hour, and told our guidance teacher that we should agree not to consume any alcohol at lunchtime if we were coming back to school, and that was that.

He also told us that he actually preferred us to be in the pub at lunchtime playing pool, because at least we were under the supervision of someone.
 

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This occurred to me while reading about Daft School Rules, but it was quite a good idea.

At my middling High School the girls did cookery and sewing. The boys did metalwork and woodwork. For one term girls did boys subjects and vice-versa. Of all the skills, cooking is the one I have done most of by a great margin.

Not done much woodwork or metalwork (what we were taught is mechanised now) but I somehow taught myself to fix everything on a bicycle and some tasks on a car (oil and filter change!)
At my school in the 80s the options were Home Economics, Textiles and CDT (Craft Design and Technology - basically a combination of woodwork, metalwork and electronics). In theory all options were available to everyone, in practice peer pressure ensured CDT was almost 100% male with Textiles and Home Economics both being close to 100% female, IIRC the number of kids in my year who broke the pattern were in low single figures.
 

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At my school in the 80s the options were Home Economics, Textiles and CDT (Craft Design and Technology - basically a combination of woodwork, metalwork and electronics). In theory all options were available to everyone, in practice peer pressure ensured CDT was almost 100% male with Textiles and Home Economics both being close to 100% female, IIRC the number of kids in my year who broke the pattern were in low single figures.
Similarly at my school (I started GCSEs just over 5 years ago now! That's a scary though... :D): I don't know of any boys who did textiles, and my resistant materials class (woodwork/metalwork etc) was entirely boys (though to be fair, there were a handful of girls in another RM class). I certainly don't think any more than 10% of pupils doing RM were girls.

To complete the set, "food technology" was a mix, though I think girls outnumbered boys.
 

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When I was in upper 6th (year 13 nowadays) at a 'bog standard comprehensive', our A level music class - including the teachers - occasionally went to the pub together during the lunch hour. We were all over 18 by then, and it was with the tacit blessing of the head, who just advised that we removed our school ties! I don't think any of us had alcohol at lunchtime, but I can't be sure!
Given this was a small town (next nearest secondary school 12 miles away) and an even smaller village pub we went to (my local as it happened) I think it's fair to say that the landlord and any locals who passed knew most of us!

This would have been 1991 and I suspect it couldn't happen now;)
In my time there was quite definitely a "boys' pub" and a "teachers' pub". One day the head decided that there were too many sixth formers in the pub in school uniform. He made an annoucement in assembly that he didn't expect to have to tour the pubs to find his sixth formers. Surpisingly for somebody with a hair trigger temper he took the inevitable barracking in good heart.
 

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Just found this thread and the earlier talk of school dinners reminded me of a wonderful dinner lady at Melton. When taking her turn at the pudding end of the servery she would smile cheerily, hold up a jug and ask in her Polish accent, "You wont cowsturd, Ya?".
The dinners in the 6th form kitchen were always good.
 

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Some of the teachers were enthusiastic about their subject and inspired that enthusiasm in myself.
While some of the teachers were authoritarian and petty, most were quite pleasant and helpful people.

We had 'field days' every two months in which we would visit attractions, go for walks and so on. Those were fun.

I enjoyed cross-country running, which thankfully was an option in games from the second year (age 12) upwards.
 
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Most of our field days (we called them school trips) were cancelled because the teachers because the teachers complained about the weather
 

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When I was in upper 6th (year 13 nowadays) at a 'bog standard comprehensive', our A level music class - including the teachers - occasionally went to the pub together during the lunch hour. We were all over 18 by then, and it was with the tacit blessing of the head, who just advised that we removed our school ties! I don't think any of us had alcohol at lunchtime, but I can't be sure!
Given this was a small town (next nearest secondary school 12 miles away) and an even smaller village pub we went to (my local as it happened) I think it's fair to say that the landlord and any locals who passed knew most of us!

This would have been 1991 and I suspect it couldn't happen now;)

I was in the upper 6th in a similar era, just a little before, and the pub was an absolute no-no even for those that were above 18.

One of our better teachers did invite us round his house just after the end of sixth form, in July, for a music/social evening though, which was good. Can't remember if alcohol was on offer though; at the time, being still just under 18 and not especially mature for my age, I didn't actively seek it out.
 

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As a member of the school cadet corps I went on a gliding course in the summer between the 5th and 6th forms. We were left pretty much to ourselves in the evenings so we inevitably headed off base to the nearest pub. In the 60s most pubs had no problem with teenagers who weren't overtly under age and who behaved themselves. These days there would be all sorts of "safeguarding" issues over a group of 16 and 17 year olds.
 

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I'm not sure if I can say secondary school was either good or bad.
A bit of the former, a bit of the latter and a whole load of boring mediocrity.

A favourite moment was probably the school history trip to Germany. I should say 'history' as it mainly involved a group of 15-18 year olds drinking a fair amount of lager (*I saw fair amount - I would be fairly drunk after two pints!). One of the teacher supervisors was the woodwork teacher who was a well-known alcoholic. He actually missed the flight home as on the last night he fell down a flight of stairs in the hotel absolutely drunk out of his mind accidentally and was still in hospital when our flight left that morning.

Getting sent home in winter because the heating was knackered !

That happened to us just the once. We got two days off primary school because of it. We also got almost a full day off after someone set fire to one of the toilets in secondary school. Good times <D
 

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Hated school. Full of football obsessed morons, thick girls and brain dead imbeciles obsessed with PE.
I did ok though. 8 A grade O levels
Still hated it.
 

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In September 1968 I started at a North Wales grammar school that converted to comprehensive, and then in 1970 moved to England and joined a secondary modern school that had converted to comprehensive.
Recalling the experiences, my grammar/comprehensive time was a delight, being very formal, structured and enlightening but by comparison my secondary modern/comprehensive education was a cross between the school in Kez and Charles Dickens Dotheboys Hall.
Fortunately we had many Nickleby type teachers to make up for the general deficiencies of some of the secondary modern/comprehensive teaching staff.
 
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