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What if a Grand Central connection is missed ?

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General Zod

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I have a journey planned over the Xmas period which involves a change at York for a Grand Central service to Eaglescliffe. The XC train gets into York at 1430 with the GC service timed to depart at 1451. I have a separate ticket to York and a GC ONLY ticket from York to EAG. If the connection is missed the next GC to EAG isn't until 1845. Obviously I won't have to wait for that long so what would be possible outcome in order for to get me to my destination ? Would my GC ONLY ticket be endorsed for travel via Darlington ( XC LNER Northern) and /or via Thornaby ( TPE Northern ) ? I can't see a taxi being laid on.
 
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I have a journey planned over the Xmas period which involves a change at York for a Grand Central service to Eaglescliffe. The XC train gets into York at 1430 with the GC service timed to depart at 1451. I have a separate ticket to York and a GC ONLY ticket from York to EAG. If the connection is missed the next GC to EAG isn't until 1845. Obviously I won't have to wait for that long so what would be possible outcome in order for to get me to my destination ? Would my GC ONLY ticket be endorsed for travel via Darlington ( XC LNER Northern) and /or via Thornaby ( TPE Northern ) ? I can't see a taxi being laid on.

Actually, you may have to wait that long (though will be entitled to 100% Delay Repay), or refund the Grand Central ticket as unused due to abandoned journey (probably with some argument if it wasn't the GC train that was late/cancelled) and purchase one for the other journey.

Staff might endorse your ticket if you ask nicely but there is no requirement for them to do so. A TOC specific ticket is just valid on the next train of that TOC.
 

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I have a journey planned over the Xmas period which involves a change at York for a Grand Central service to Eaglescliffe. The XC train gets into York at 1430 with the GC service timed to depart at 1451. I have a separate ticket to York and a GC ONLY ticket from York to EAG. If the connection is missed the next GC to EAG isn't until 1845. Obviously I won't have to wait for that long so what would be possible outcome in order for to get me to my destination ? Would my GC ONLY ticket be endorsed for travel via Darlington ( XC LNER Northern) and /or via Thornaby ( TPE Northern ) ? I can't see a taxi being laid on.
If your XC train is late enough to miss the connection it may be appropriate to ask if you can stay on that train to Darlington to reduce your additional outlay and mitigate the delay. If it is delayed I strongly advise talking to the guard about your dilemma - it may be that as both legs are with Arriva owned train operators they have a greater obligation to sort out your onward travel. However, I would be surprised it you are not asked to buy an onward ticket from Darlington, although a Northern guard on the service from Darlington to Eaglescliff may take pity on you.
 
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The default would be the 18.45, next service on your ticket. Might be possible to get endorsed for something earlier, but probably not so likely around Christmas. A drawback on TOC specific tickets on connections
 

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Unfortunately this is the price we pay (or don’t) when we save money by buying a less flexible ticket or combination of tickets.

Whilst it would ordinarily be ridiculous to expect you to wait almost 4 hours for the next train, it wouldn’t be GCs fault so they’re not obliged to help, and XC as an operator are unlikely to give a damn. I suspect they’d fob you off with some nonsense about splitting your ticket and try to claim they’re not responsible. They’d almost certainly reject any delay repay claim you made.
However as Haywain says speaking to a guard might give you some more options.

in today’s profit focussed anti passenger railway, the concept of passenger rights is largely out the window generally. It’s folly of people to expect the railway to follow ANY rules let alone offer assistance above and beyond (although the majority of staff on the ground are helpful and will do what they can).
I consider advances for smaller less frequent operators a risk which you have to be aware of when you purchase. I won’t purchase a Hull Trains advance to or from London and Retford because I know that if there’s a wasp on the rails near Brough they’ll cancel a diagram for the rest of the day and most passengers will be between 2 and 4 hours late, in part due to their limited stock and staff. Where as LNER will endeavour to stop another train at Retford or will organise ticket acceptance.
 

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Unfortunately this is the price we pay (or don’t) when we save money by buying a less flexible ticket or combination of tickets.

Whilst it would ordinarily be ridiculous to expect you to wait almost 4 hours for the next train, it wouldn’t be GCs fault so they’re not obliged to help, and XC as an operator are unlikely to give a damn. I suspect they’d fob you off with some nonsense about splitting your ticket and try to claim they’re not responsible. They’d almost certainly reject any delay repay claim you made.
However as Haywain says speaking to a guard might give you some more options.

in today’s profit focussed anti passenger railway, the concept of passenger rights is largely out the window generally. It’s folly of people to expect the railway to follow ANY rules let alone offer assistance above and beyond (although the majority of staff on the ground are helpful and will do what they can).
I consider advances for smaller less frequent operators a risk which you have to be aware of when you purchase. I won’t purchase a Hull Trains advance to or from London and Retford because I know that if there’s a wasp on the rails near Brough they’ll cancel a diagram for the rest of the day and most passengers will be between 2 and 4 hours late, in part due to their limited stock and staff. Where as LNER will endeavour to stop another train at Retford or will organise ticket acceptance.
Profit and Rail in the same sentence , where have you been for the past two years?
 

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Profit can have a negative value. A loss of £5,000,000 is better than a loss of £10,000,000
A loss is still a loss, and I don't think the current passenger railway can in any way be called profit focused - other than the open access operators.
 

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A loss is still a loss, and I don't think the current passenger railway can in any way be called profit focused - other than the open access operators.
Why have we seen a massive increase in people being overcharged, people being wrongfully prosecuted, people having delay repay claims incorrectly rejected. It’s rife.
If it’s not profit focussed it certainly isn’t customer focussed.
 
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