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Does anyone know how regularly the branch line to Portbury Docks is used these days? I saw a few photos of workings using it in August but nothing in September so far (AFAIK). Were these regular flows or just temporary ones?
Many thanks in advance

Nothing has been down the line this month other than RHTT and a test train. The service was conveying stone brought down from Scotland via coastal shipping for use on HS2, no idea if this had ended or just a lull - does anyone have any further info? I’m hoping it’s not just another failed Portbury service - there’s been a few that were short lived - cars and gypsum at least.

Edited to add: last record of it noted on the SWRG yahoo page is Sep 7th, with 66763.

Just found an article on this flow - there was a short term contract to move 90,000 tons from Portbury to the aggregates terminal within Acton Yard:
https://www.railfreight.com/railfreight/2021/02/23/gb-railfreight-and-uk-aggregate-industries/

The last couple of runs appear to have been on 13th and 14th September, running as 6B59 from Acton to Portbury and 6A58 return (pics of those 2 workings on flickr if you search for 6B59 and use advanced search to look for a specific date range). The article does leave open the possibility of further trains running at some point.

I think GBRF have quite a big contract with Aggregate Industries to run services which aren't part of the Mendip Rail contract (i.e. trains not originating at Merehead).

There are several hopper sets in use (mostly former coal HYAs reduced in length), with the majority of trains originating from Bardon Hill and Grain.

The regular Bardon Hill workings are to Colnbrook, Angerstein and Tinsley, and the Grain workings are usually to Acton (high volumes, possibly HS2 related), Ferme Park, Brentford and Bow. There have also been some more irregular / occasional services over the past couple of months. I noticed a couple of Grain - Harlow Mill services running, a Grain - Colnbrook, and also a train from Neath Abbey Wharf (also known as Jersey Marine) to Angerstein earlier this month. The loading point at Coton Hill (Shrewsbury) has also been in action, loading a small number of trains for Angerstein, Colnbrook and at least one to Tinsley.

Incidentally I didn't realise that the old Bardon Aggregates Thorney Mill terminal had shut (probably quite a few years ago!) with Bardon Hill services switching to the Colnbrook terminal that also receives trains from Merehead. There's a brief mention in "Freightliner Locomotives" by Dave Smith (a page from the book came up in the google search result when I typed "thorney mill closure"). Thorney Mill is still visible on google maps with the sidings partially lifted / obstructed through the terminal. I suppose this was an inevitable result of Aggregate Industries owning both the Foster Yeoman terminal at Colnbrook and the nearby Bardon Aggregates one at Thorney Mill.

There have also been some surprising stone workings out of Redcar (in addition to the regular bulk ballast trains for Network Rail), with a small number of occasional Redcar - Tinsley workings. I saw one of these leaving Doncaster Down Decoy empty for Redcar, using a set which had come empty from Tinsley off the service from Bardon Hill. At the beginning of September there were five consecutive days of Redcar - Wellingborough services using GBRF box wagons, observed running round at Down Decoy early in the morning.

Apart from the well-established point-to-point flows, there seems to be a fair bit of variation with aggregate workings, with demand dependent on specific projects requiring specific types of stone and so on. Terminals can be very busy for a while and then volumes suddenly drop.

I notice the HS2 flows from Tytherington to Calvert ceased rather abruptly this month, but I think initial deliveries were to build temporary roads for construction vehicles, so they might restart again later for other phases (there were some workings from Tytherington to Appleford and Banbury Road instead).

To be honest it's a bit hard to keep track of what's happening with construction flows, especially with HS2 flows added to the mix (and it's not always obvious which flows are HS2 related). I find it interesting that Acton was receiving aggregate from both Portbury and Grain - presumably arriving by ship in both cases. Maybe extra capacity was required beyond that available at Grain, or the material was coming from different places ???
 
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Just found an article on this flow - there was a short term contract to move 90,000 tons from Portbury to the aggregates terminal within Acton Yard:
https://www.railfreight.com/railfreight/2021/02/23/gb-railfreight-and-uk-aggregate-industries/

The last couple of runs appear to have been on 13th and 14th September, running as 6B59 from Acton to Portbury and 6A58 return (pics of those 2 workings on flickr if you search for 6B59 and use advanced search to look for a specific date range). The article does leave open the possibility of further trains running at some point.

I think GBRF have quite a big contract with Aggregate Industries to run services which aren't part of the Mendip Rail contract (i.e. trains not originating at Merehead).

There are several hopper sets in use (mostly former coal HYAs reduced in length), with the majority of trains originating from Bardon Hill and Grain.

The regular Bardon Hill workings are to Colnbrook, Angerstein and Tinsley, and the Grain workings are usually to Acton (high volumes, possibly HS2 related), Ferme Park, Brentford and Bow. There have also been some more irregular / occasional services over the past couple of months. I noticed a couple of Grain - Harlow Mill services running, a Grain - Colnbrook, and also a train from Neath Abbey Wharf (also known as Jersey Marine) to Angerstein earlier this month. The loading point at Coton Hill (Shrewsbury) has also been in action, loading a small number of trains for Angerstein, Colnbrook and at least one to Tinsley.

Incidentally I didn't realise that the old Bardon Aggregates Thorney Mill terminal had shut (probably quite a few years ago!) with Bardon Hill services switching to the Colnbrook terminal that also receives trains from Merehead. There's a brief mention in "Freightliner Locomotives" by Dave Smith (a page from the book came up in the google search result when I typed "thorney mill closure"). Thorney Mill is still visible on google maps with the sidings partially lifted / obstructed through the terminal. I suppose this was an inevitable result of Aggregate Industries owning both the Foster Yeoman terminal at Colnbrook and the nearby Bardon Aggregates one at Thorney Mill.

There have also been some surprising stone workings out of Redcar (in addition to the regular bulk ballast trains for Network Rail), with a small number of occasional Redcar - Tinsley workings. I saw one of these leaving Doncaster Down Decoy empty for Redcar, using a set which had come empty from Tinsley off the service from Bardon Hill. At the beginning of September there were five consecutive days of Redcar - Wellingborough services using GBRF box wagons, observed running round at Down Decoy early in the morning.

Apart from the well-established point-to-point flows, there seems to be a fair bit of variation with aggregate workings, with demand dependent on specific projects requiring specific types of stone and so on. Terminals can be very busy for a while and then volumes suddenly drop.

I notice the HS2 flows from Tytherington to Calvert ceased rather abruptly this month, but I think initial deliveries were to build temporary roads for construction vehicles, so they might restart again later for other phases (there were some workings from Tytherington to Appleford and Banbury Road instead).

To be honest it's a bit hard to keep track of what's happening with construction flows, especially with HS2 flows added to the mix (and it's not always obvious which flows are HS2 related). I find it interesting that Acton was receiving aggregate from both Portbury and Grain - presumably arriving by ship in both cases. Maybe extra capacity was required beyond that available at Grain, or the material was coming from different places ???

There were stone trains from Bristol East to Banbury then they stopped, a year or so later you have Bristol Freightliner to Banbury, but sometimes the trains laid up for a week or 2 out of action. Machen quarry traffic comes and goes etc. You’re right about the stone workings theyre so on and off.
 

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DCR are starting a Bow - Acton - Burton flow from tomorrow, any ideas if this is a new or existing flow?
 

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DCR are starting a Bow - Acton - Burton flow from tomorrow, any ideas if this is a new or existing flow?

GBRF have been running spoil trains from Bow to Burton and Acton to Burton

There have also been a small number of GBRF workings recently from Derby Etches Park to Burton (via Chaddesden). I assume this must be spoil from enhancement works being done at the depot.
 

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DCR are starting a Bow - Acton - Burton flow from tomorrow, any ideas if this is a new or existing flow?
I'm told that it's using GBRf box wagons, so I assume that the flow is being 'subbed out' to DCR?


photo (not mine!):




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GBRF have been running spoil trains from Bow to Burton and Acton to Burton

There have also been a small number of GBRF workings recently from Derby Etches Park to Burton (via Chaddesden). I assume this must be spoil from enhancement works being done at the depot.


I'm told that it's using GBRf box wagons, so I assume that the flow is being 'subbed out' to DCR?


photo (not mine!):




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Thanks to you both for the info
 
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Apologies of this has been mentioned but; with the new(ish) GBRf aggregates flow from Hindlow to Hams Hall what wagons are being used and how are they being unloaded at Hams Hall? Would this be within the container loading pad or elsewhere?

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with the new(ish) GBRf aggregates flow from Hindlow to Hams Hall what wagons are being used and how are they being unloaded at Hams Hall? Would this be within the container loading pad or elsewhere?

I was curious about this flow when it started, and did a double-take when I noticed aggregate trains from Hindlow running into a container terminal.

This flow has been using GBRF box wagons (in sets of 21), unlike the nearby Washwood Heath asphalt plant which has hopper discharge facilities.

Info on the Hams Hall end is a bit sparse, but the facility is described as "Tarmac's new strategic hub at Hams Hall, supplying aggregate to HS2 construction projects within the West Midlands"

Everything becomes clear in this recent drone shot - https://www.flickr.com/photos/robmcrorie/51621701674/

The southwest corner of the terminal appears to be given over to offloading aggregate onto the concrete pad, with container operations able to proceed simultaneously using the concrete pad on the north side of the 4 tracks.

I think normally there is one train per day, arriving late in the evening and offloading overnight for a 5am departure, but so far this week there have been two trains per night, the second one due to arrive around 3am and depart at 8am.

There's also been a Hindlow - Banbury service running today (also using GBRF box wagons) which I've not noticed before.
 

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Small Heath Caledonia Yard now has 2 x aggregate unloading pints and 2 x trains are now been discharged at the same time. New yard is using the old car loading / New St Station upgrade yard.
 

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Cwmbargoed (Ffos y Fran) opencast in South Wales was scheduled to close in October 2022, I have now heard from an unconfirmed source that it's now been brought forward to March 2022? Can anyone confirm that date of closure please?
 

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Can someone tell me what goes on at Pinnox Esso sidings Longport ? There is a 56 currently at Ravenstruther with ballast wagons due to depart there tomorrow morning for Longport . Ravenstruther is the soon to be opening point for Cloburn Quarry
 

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Can someone tell me what goes on at Pinnox Esso sidings Longport ? There is a 56 currently at Ravenstruther with ballast wagons due to depart there tomorrow morning for Longport . Ravenstruther is the soon to be opening point for Cloburn Quarry
Materials recycling.
 

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Why would a train of ballast be sent there ?
Don't know, just answered the question posed. :D

Company appears to be 'Land Recovery'.

Google Aerial shows a couple of sidings (fairly short) and a large area of land. Part has material storage areas (3 sides concrete, pile it up / remove it with a front loader) and one (at least) of those grading things where you dump material in at one end and it sorts it with chutes coming out to make neat piles. Several piles of graded material. Lots of room to sort out materials / old track panels etc. but not on the scale of Whitemoor Yard.

Timing details for the train referred to show it as 1,400 tons inbound and 800 tons outbound.
 

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Is there a schedule/timetable for HS2 spoil trains to Barrington? I live sort-of nearby and it would be interesting to go and take a look.
 

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Is there a schedule/timetable for HS2 spoil trains to Barrington? I live sort-of nearby and it would be interesting to go and take a look.
The loaded train from Willesden arrives at 08.17:


...and the empties return(via Cambridge) at 11.50:






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Small Heath Caledonia Yard now has 2 x aggregate unloading pints and 2 x trains are now been discharged at the same time. New yard is using the old car loading / New St Station upgrade yard.

Apparently the second unloading point is a new terminal for Cemex, serving "construction projects in the Birmingham market." It receives trains from the Cemex Dove Holes quarry (Peak Forest). https://www.cemexuknews.co.uk/profitability/small-heath-big-trains/

The info on the Cemex website mentions a partnership with GBRF and GRS. The GRS Group also operate the other unloading point, for HS2 material, in their guise as "Rail Stone Solutions," which must be part of the contract mentioned here - https://www.gbrailfreight.com/gb-railfreight-and-rail-stone-solutions-win-two-major-hs2-contracts/
The "Tarmac quarry in the Derbyshire Peak District" mentioned there must be Hindlow. GRS are also apparently involved with other GBRF services for Tarmac

Looking at the trains into Small Heath yesterday, there were two from Hindlow and one from Peak Forest (all GBRF), with arrivals due at 10:13, 11:08 and 17:08 and booked departure times of 14:45, 17:45 and 21:29

The capacity to have two trains in the yard must also help with the pathing issues, where arriving trains were held up waiting for trains departing, both of them needing to run round at Tyseley...

Do the trains still need to be split within the terminal to offload them? I'm wondering how much shunting is required with the new layout.

Can someone tell me what goes on at Pinnox Esso sidings Longport ?

They handle contaminated ballast amongst other things

Google Aerial shows a couple of sidings (fairly short) and a large area of land. Part has material storage areas (3 sides concrete, pile it up / remove it with a front loader) and one (at least) of those grading things where you dump material in at one end and it sorts it with chutes coming out to make neat piles. Several piles of graded material. Lots of room to sort out materials / old track panels etc. but not on the scale of Whitemoor Yard.

There's a very good album of shots on flickr with various view of the sidings at Longport, including a couple of drone views of the site - https://www.flickr.com/photos/robmcrorie/albums/72157711099449746/with/51209555919/

A small proportion of spent ballast (spoil) from Network Rail possession sites is classed as hazardous waste; for example in stations there may be oil contamination built up over years where diesel locos or units have been standing. This has to be disposed of at a suitable facility, which seems to be Longport at the moment. Some wagons loaded on possession sites are sent to Longport to be emptied for this reason, but they have also been using larger box wagons for bulk movements from the virtual quarry at Carlisle Yard - not sure if the bulk movements were contaminated or just regular spoil.

I'm not sure why the new Ravenstruther ballast loading point would be sending loaded wagons to Longport, unless perhaps there is some spoil being removed from site clearance work?
 

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The loaded train from Willesden arrives at 08.17:


...and the empties return(via Cambridge) at 11.50:






MARK
Thanks didn't think they'd be as often as daily or I would have checked RTT myself!
 

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I'm not sure why the new Ravenstruther ballast loading point would be sending loaded wagons to Longport, unless perhaps there is some spoil being removed from site clearance work?

The path has been amended to run from Ravenstruther to Carlisle Yard instead which makes more sense - fairly confident it's fresh ballast from Cloburn Quarry being moved to top up the virtual quarry there.

Wouldn't be surprised if Pinnox was left as the destination in error as the loco / wagons have been pinched from the Carlisle Yard - Pinnox service which has been running in recent weeks.
 

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Apparently the second unloading point is a new terminal for Cemex, serving "construction projects in the Birmingham market." It receives trains from the Cemex Dove Holes quarry (Peak Forest). https://www.cemexuknews.co.uk/profitability/small-heath-big-trains/

The info on the Cemex website mentions a partnership with GBRF and GRS. The GRS Group also operate the other unloading point, for HS2 material, in their guise as "Rail Stone Solutions," which must be part of the contract mentioned here - https://www.gbrailfreight.com/gb-railfreight-and-rail-stone-solutions-win-two-major-hs2-contracts/
The "Tarmac quarry in the Derbyshire Peak District" mentioned there must be Hindlow. GRS are also apparently involved with other GBRF services for Tarmac

Looking at the trains into Small Heath yesterday, there were two from Hindlow and one from Peak Forest (all GBRF), with arrivals due at 10:13, 11:08 and 17:08 and booked departure times of 14:45, 17:45 and 21:29

The capacity to have two trains in the yard must also help with the pathing issues, where arriving trains were held up waiting for trains departing, both of them needing to run round at Tyseley...

Do the trains still need to be split within the terminal to offload them? I'm wondering how much shunting is required with the new layout.







There's a very good album of shots on flickr with various view of the sidings at Longport, including a couple of drone views of the site - https://www.flickr.com/photos/robmcrorie/albums/72157711099449746/with/51209555919/

A small proportion of spent ballast (spoil) from Network Rail possession sites is classed as hazardous waste; for example in stations there may be oil contamination built up over years where diesel locos or units have been standing. This has to be disposed of at a suitable facility, which seems to be Longport at the moment. Some wagons loaded on possession sites are sent to Longport to be emptied for this reason, but they have also been using larger box wagons for bulk movements from the virtual quarry at Carlisle Yard - not sure if the bulk movements were contaminated or just regular spoil.

I'm not sure why the new Ravenstruther ballast loading point would be sending loaded wagons to Longport, unless perhaps there is some spoil being removed from site clearance work?
The new Cemex facility at Small Heath does still require splitting for offloading, it's exactly the same as the existing facility by the looks of it.
 

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There was a mention upthread about the aggregate terminal at Thorney Mill. The site is now run by Ashville Aggregates who receive stone by rail from the Peak District run by Gbrf. The company do a weekly Youtube video and some of these refer to the trains and the trials and tribulations of getting the stone delivered. Just do a search for Ashville on Youtube and find the videos. Weekly video episode 59 or 60 should be out tomorrow.
 

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Obviously next Friday is a long way away, DCR currently have a schedule on Rail Record and RTT for a loaded 1124 6Z35 Willesden to Chessington South and empty 2002 6Z36 return, I realise it's a terminal station but is anyone aware of what facilities there are at Chessington or if this perhaps an aggregate drop for engineering work?



*Just as an update to this I've found reference online under the 'Draft South London Waste Plan' to the 'Chessington Railhead Site' on which DBC signed a 125 year lease with a 25 year sublease to Cappagh, it is to be used for bulk transport of minerals and waste, there's quite a bit of it so it could make an interesting read
 
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There was a mention upthread about the aggregate terminal at Thorney Mill. The site is now run by Ashville Aggregates who receive stone by rail from the Peak District run by Gbrf. The company do a weekly Youtube video and some of these refer to the trains and the trials and tribulations of getting the stone delivered. Just do a search for Ashville on Youtube and find the videos. Weekly video episode 59 or 60 should be out tomorrow.

Thanks for that, very interesting. I haven't looked at the videos properly yet but I can see there is some good footage of the terminal - https://www.youtube.com/c/thisisashville/search?query=train

Looks like the Ashville Aggregates rail terminal opened in summer 2019 at Thorney Mill (using box wagons), on the site of the previous Bardon Aggregates terminal (it says those services ceased in 2013). This all makes more sense now...

The Bardon Hill - Thorney Mill service, in hopper wagons, ran for many years, and then switched to the Colnbrook terminal further down the branch line after Thorney Mill closed (as mentioned upthread). On flickr there are photos of spoil trains out of Thorney Mill (to both Middlesbrough Goods and Calvert) running in 2013 and 2014, presumably during site clearance. There are also shots from the first part of 2014 of the returning Thorney Mill - Bardon Hill empties using box wagons, so possibly it ran with boxes in the early part of 2014 before switching back to hoppers and serving Colnbrook instead. On the Google Maps 2D imagery you can see a train in the Colnbrook terminal, which is next to an Aggregate Industries Asphalt plant and a London Concrete plant (in fact you can also see a train in there on Google Streetview from the Colnbrook bypass).

The hopper house of the previous Thorney Mill terminal is in this photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/world_railways/23605017174/ and the other end here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/world_railways/7109813027/
On Google Maps there are a couple of truncated sidings at the south end of the big shed - these joined together and continued through the hopper house to the north end of the site.
According to an old quail map (western region 2nd edition), to the left of the pair of buffer stops next to Thorney Mill Road, there were originally three more sidings (labelled "Steel Supply Scrapyard").

Last week there was a train into Thorney Mill on Monday morning from Tonbridge yard (loaded at Grain) and there are photos on flickr of trains running from Wellingborough (loaded at either Tunstead or Hindlow I think).

This means there can be loaded services from Grain both to Thorney Mill (in boxes) and Colnbrook (in hoppers), although I think Colnbrook gets most of its trains from either Bardon Hill (GBRF) or Merehead (FLHH).
I think the Merehead service usually runs during the night - https://www.flickr.com/photos/waddosworldofrailways/48787839571/

I believe the Colnbrook aggregates terminal itself originally opened in the early 2000s as part of the rail logistics hub for Heathrow Terminal 5 construction. Originally it offloaded stone from box wagons.
Colnbrook in 2006, with a cement train shunting at the logistics hub: https://www.flickr.com/photos/189353827@N04/50121847531/
Colnbrook in 2012, with a tank train arriving into the oil terminal (behind the camera on the other side of the bridge). Box wagons visible in the aggregate terminal: https://www.flickr.com/photos/justinfoulger/7125277641/
Colnbrook in 2014, with a Bardon Hill service offloading at the newly built hopper house: https://www.flickr.com/photos/papercliponawire/14776249588/

So it looks like the original hopper discharge facilities at Thorney Mill were replaced by new hopper discharge facilities at Colnbrook in 2013/2014.
A confusing aspect of this is that Colnbrook started off using box wagons before the hopper discharge facility was built. while Thorney Mill started off as hopper discharge and reopened using box wagons!

Obviously next Friday is a long way away, DCR currently have a schedule on Rail Record and RTT for a loaded 1124 6Z35 Willesden to Chessington South and empty 2002 6Z36 return, I realise it's a terminal station but is anyone aware of what facilities there are at Chessington or if this perhaps an aggregate drop for engineering work?

*Just as an update to this I've found reference online under the 'Draft South London Waste Plan' to the 'Chessington Railhead Site' on which DBC signed a 125 year lease with a 25 year sublease to Cappagh, it is to be used for bulk transport of minerals and waste, there's quite a bit of it so it could make an interesting read

A pleasant surprise to find out about this new terminal at Chessington. I've just been looking at that planning document and these seem to be the salient details:

The site, also known as the ‘Coal Depot’ site...was operated as a coal concentration depot until around the early 1990’s. The current tenant, CPL Distribution, continue to operate the site as a fuel depot but no longer use the rail sidings. CPL have found a relocation site for their road served operation and will vacate the Chessington Railhead site by May 2021 at the latest.

...in September 2020 DBC secured a head lease on the site of 125 years and conferred a sublease of 25 years to Cappagh an experienced minerals and waste operator. Having now been established as the freight operating company for the Chessington site DBC intend to progress works, including repair and upgrading of the sidings, to facilitate the reinstatement of the site as fully active freight site which will enable the bulk transport of minerals and waste.

DBC / Cappagh propose to operate the site as dual use minerals and wate rail transfer site. This would facilitate the import of aggregate by train to supply the local construction market and export of inert waste by rail for the purposes of filling/restoration of mineral workings.

Waste management throughput is yet to be established but is expected in the first instance to comprise in the region of 100,000 tonnes of inert waste exported from the site by rail to be used for the filling and restoration of a mineral extraction sites at Barrington, Cambridgeshire.

A couple of photos of the line into the old coal depot (beyond the station) before any work was done: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sludgeulper/42915193825/ and https://www.flickr.com/photos/stephenpoole/3889318313/

An old thread about the stub of line continuing beyond Chessington South has a link to http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/swanley_junction/index7.shtml which explains the history. Another old thread says the coal concentration depot at Chessington South closed to rail traffic in 1988 - can't find any pictures of the actual terminal but some nostalgic pics appear with a search on flickr for Chessington coal
 

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The loaded train from Willesden arrives at 08.17:


...and the empties return(via Cambridge) at 11.50:






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What does Q on the RTT schedule mean?

Thanks
 

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Just noticed a new DRS service from Coatbridge to Tilbury: Realtime Trains - 489J 1336 Coatbridge (Drs) to Tilbury2 Container Tml Fl

Anyone know if this is additional to the existing Coatbridge-Daventry and Daventry-Tilbury DRS trains or just a combination of them?
4L10 is a completely new service, so DRS now operate four daily Anglo-Scottish services in total; although to be pedantic,
the three established DRS trains run from Mossend to Daventry, rather than Coatbridge.




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4L10 is a completely new service, so DRS now operate four daily Anglo-Scottish services in total; although to be pedantic,
the three established DRS trains run from Mossend to Daventry, rather than Coatbridge.




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Good to hear.

Roughly how many Anglo-Scottish intermodal services in total come out of Scotland each day - DRS, EWS, GB Railfreight and Freightliner?
 

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