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3.8% Fare rise announcement delayed

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Nicholas Lewis

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Guardian running with Ministers postponed announcement of fares increase after backlash to rail plan due to

An announcement that rail fares will rise by 3.8% in March was postponed by ministers last week after the furious backlash over downgraded government plans for rail investment in the north. The fare rise for England and Wales, not yet publicly confirmed but contained in leaked papers seen by the Guardian, will be the biggest in nine years.
If they want to get traffic back a fares freeze for 12 months would be a more appropriate response
 
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...at the same time that bus fares will be going up by 10% or more in a lot of cases, come the new year (as operators struggle to cope with passenger numbers that haven't bounced back, road traffic congestion that seems worse than pre-Covid plus the large number of drivers who've taken jobs driving HGVs etc)!

I guess this is one advantage of the Government controlling the railways more tightly now than has been the case in previous years (a few years ago they'd have allowed the 3.8% to go through and seen Arriva/ Stagecoach etc being blamed, but now there's no scapegoat the Government have to tread more carefully)
 

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Probably not but if they put up fares by 3.8% then it doesn't take much imagination to see where the unions will be pitching at the opening pay rise discussions!

I don’t for one minute believe that the unions’ pay claims will be influenced by fares rises.
 

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I’d be surprised if Government can afford a fares freeze.
Can government afford for the fares rise to be limited to RPI and not be calculated on a RPI+1% (or more) basis? On what basis is the government affording a deferral to March?
 

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I’d be surprised if Government can afford a fares freeze.
But it can afford a fuel duty freeze for the 11th consecutive year running?
The UK Conservative Government has made a political decision to subsidise driving and car ownership, whilst penalising rail users.
 

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Pay claims will be influenced by RPI.
They may be, but they sure shouldn't be. CPI(H) is the robust measure. RPI hasn't been a national statistic for many years, and thankfully it will disappear completely within a decade, although this should have been sooner.
 
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But it can afford a fuel duty freeze for the 11th consecutive year running?
The UK Conservative Government has made a political decision to subsidise driving and car ownership, whilst penalising rail users.
Add to this a reduction in the cost of domestic air travel, if the announcement in the latest budget goes ahead as promised...
 

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Probably not but if they put up fares by 3.8% then it doesn't take much imagination to see where the unions will be pitching at the opening pay rise discussions!
I suspect the starting point, given most TOCs haven't had an increase since 2019, will be an attempt to bring pay up to where it would have been but for Covid.

It'll never get signed off by the DfT, of course, but the Unions have got to try.
 

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I have spent years asking questions including “Why should I pay for a fares increase now when the project will be delivered in x years” [x in this case was 8 years].

As a rail passenger, I have always been against fare increases until a project is delivered and thence after that, like a loan on your house for an extension, you pay.

Pre-2018 (pre-Covid, pre-Thameslink) it was obvious the planned timetable expanded out to Kent using the “24tph Core Arrangement” were wrong. It would work, and we don’t want such imported delays.

Now for a By-Election Turkey crown.
 

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I’d be surprised if Government can afford a fares freeze.

It depends on what happens following the freeze/increase.

If it leads to an increases in ticket revenue then it could be argued that's what's needed.

However, if the increase is small then it's it worth the political fallout from the increase?

Likewise, can we even be sure that it would lead to an increase? For example it may well be that those who are unsure, but have seen high fuel prices may confirm that they are staying with driving, whilst a freeze may be enough to tip the balance to returning to using rail more. Whilst a rise may push yet more to stop using rail, especially if we see fuel prices fall in the next few weeks.

Such a decision now could have long term consequences, for instance a rise now increases the rise going forwards, which could mean less passengers in the future, which could mean that it requires more support to keep the services running.

Conversely, if we can get rail passengers back, then it could be that they once again cover a greater percentage of the operating costs.

95% of something is better than 100% of nothing, especially for something which is sell it now or never (i.e. the 12:08 service can only sell tickets for people to use on the 12:08 service, they can't sit on a shelf to be sold another time).

As I see it, the issue isn't the non commuting travel (as commuting was 70 or of every 100, if that's fallen by 50% it would mean that instead of being out of 100 it's out of 65, which would imply that there's been nearly zero fall on non commuting travel as current overall use is 65% to 70%), however with industry after industry struggling to recruit staff I suspect that there just aren't the same number of commuters (even if they were to be working in the office).

Some of that will be down to there being fewer people from overseas working in the UK, for many reasons. However a factor will be that it's now harder for many to work here due to it being harder to work under the latest immigration rules.

However I also suspect that many found that life on a lower wage wasn't so bad and so are now either working for themselves, reduced their hours or have left work. It's certainly something which has been observed in the US. Given that there's few out of work in the statistics, I suspect that those no longer working are likely to be those who have chosen to retire. That's most likely to harm the railways as they are the sort who do the long commute, rather than those starters who will be more able to live nearer where they work due to being in rented accommodation.

With regards to those who have reduced their hours, it only requires 1/2 your staff to go to a 4 day week (and someone dropping to 3 days then counts as two) and you've lost 10% of your staff's working hours. With not enough staff to go around are many bosses going to risk losing someone from them handing in their notice if they aren't allowed to reduce their hours? I suspect not.

Likewise, even a few fewer staff can have a significant impact on total staff working hours in a business.

There's also the potential that some have moved to a cheaper area with a job which pays a little less but that's offset, or more than offset in lower costs (such as lower house prices, not needing to travel so far for work, etc.).

As such is likely that there are fewer staff doing fewer days, probably also more likely to be closer to where they live and having been put off rail by the continued need to wear a mask when their perception was that almost everywhere else people had stopped wearing them.

A raise in peak tickets isn't going to make much of a difference if a greater percentage of people are using discounted advanced tickets and they don't change in price (as they are the near 50% now who are non business related travel).
 

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I’d be surprised if Government can afford a fares freeze.
I'd be surprised if the Government can't afford a fares freeze. The government is not a household. The chancellor was only yesterday boasting in the Tory press about how he was planning to cut taxes for wealthy people.
 

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But it can afford a fuel duty freeze for the 11th consecutive year running?
The UK Conservative Government has made a political decision to subsidise driving and car ownership, whilst penalising rail users.
OPEC did it indirectly, HMT get the extra revenue via increased VAT take.
 

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But it can afford a fuel duty freeze for the 11th consecutive year running?
The UK Conservative Government has made a political decision to subsidise driving and car ownership, whilst penalising rail users.
The irony being of course any projects to increase the use of public transport also have to have as part of the costs the amount of fuel duty and VAT lost to the treasury as part of their investment in getting people out of cars.
 

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The irony being of course any projects to increase the use of public transport also have to have as part of the costs the amount of fuel duty and VAT lost to the treasury as part of their investment in getting people out of cars.
Electric cars will create a far higher loss of duty than all the current rail projects even the ones being talked about in the IRP. The govt is splurging 100's millions on creating a charging network the business case wouldn't have looked good on that.

Its ultimately all about politic will to do things and Shapps should be standing up to HMT and saying we need to try something different if we are to ever to attract passengers back and thus increase the operating costs coverage by fares.
 

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Probably not but if they put up fares by 3.8% then it doesn't take much imagination to see where the unions will be pitching at the opening pay rise discussions!
0% is what HMT will be offering. If the TUs think that now is the time to try it on they will get a VERY nasty shock. A government can do a lot with a majority of 80.....
 

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Its ultimately all about politic will to do things and Shapps should be standing up to HMT and saying we need to try something different if we are to ever to attract passengers back and thus increase the operating costs coverage by fares.
The problem is that a fares freeze doesn't actually encourage extra ridership because no one really appreciates it, particularly occasional travellers who don't keep a record of what it costs to make a journey. Of itself, it isn't going to make more people decide to go to their workplace for example.
 

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But it can afford a fuel duty freeze for the 11th consecutive year running?
The UK Conservative Government has made a political decision to subsidise driving and car ownership, whilst penalising rail users.
Whilst cutting spending on public services to make up for the loss in fuel duty (Osborne used to boast about this) as a "freeze" is a price cut in real terms.
 

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OPEC did it indirectly, HMT get the extra revenue via increased VAT take.

Indeed, the VAT take from the increased wholesale oil price in the past 3 months more than outweighs an RPI increase in fuel duty for the last two years.
 

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Indeed, the VAT take from the increased wholesale oil price in the past 3 months more than outweighs an RPI increase in fuel duty for the last two years.
However, if fuel duty had been increased in line with rail fares...
 

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They need to get that fare increase to safeguard investment. Its below inflation so technically fares have got cheaper.
 

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They need to get that fare increase to safeguard investment. Its below inflation so technically fares have got cheaper.
No, technically fares have got more expensive, but to a degree that is less than some other products and services. To become cheaper, the fare increase would have to be less than wage growth.
 

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Politics will come into this. The more expensive fares become in relation to my salary the more I choose to work from home. There are alternatives now as opposed to a completely captive audience. Omicron adds to this. I suspect a fare freeze or notional increase is being seriously considered.
 

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They need to get that fare increase to safeguard investment. Its below inflation so technically fares have got cheaper.

Why?

If we want to reach net zero by 2050 there's no way of doing so without better public transport.

In the Union Connectivity Report it cites that the government expects road usage to increase by 51% by 2050 from 2015 levels.

Given that a few years ago an EV reduced your use emissions by 1/3 compared to a ICE if we didn't improve electricity carbon emissions in 2050 emissions from traffic would be the same.

Now, whilst we are cutting the emissions from electricity that figure will fall, it also means that rail's emissions would fall without doing anything else. Given that the average per km per passenger emissions from rail are broadly comparable to EV's (including diesel trains) it's fairly easy to reduce rail's emissions much further.

For instance the use of batteries in diesel trains giving a 20% reduction in diesel use, the use of bimodal trains, more electrification and even building HS2 will all reduce the per passenger per km emissions of rail by reducing the need for diesel.

That's before you take into account that someone using public transport to get about are much more likely to walk/cycle their short trips than those with an EV. You don't need to be walking/cycling very far to reduce your emissions by a few percent (currently in part as a cold engine isn't very efficient, so less than a few percent of your overall miles).

However even if the above wasn't true passenger income has never covered the enhancements to rail, just in the same way that the government doesn't directly link the taxes applied to cars to road enhancements.

Yes consideration is given and there's been a desire to see passengers pay a greater share of the costs. However if we closed the railways down we'd end up having to pay a lot more to provide the road capacity to cater for those trips, in the same way that it's more costly to provide roads for cars than it is to provide roads for cyclists.

Which is why those who like driving their cars should actually want the government to get as many other people to walk, cycle and use public transport at possible as it would make driving easier and cheaper as there would be less congestion.
 
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