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Rail head treatment vehicle in passenger train consist?

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Ken H

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In the early days of Thameslink they has trouble with adhesion with the cl 319 trains. So they converted a 3rd rail MLV to work in multiple with the 319's and put rail treatment kit in it.
Is this an idea that could be reused today? Maybe some cl 153 vehicles could be reused. (The 153 top speed may be an issue.)
Can't remember if the MLVs still had motors/shoe gear in their new role.
 
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They are currently trialling it with Class 155s on the Monk Bretton Line (IIRC) using dry ice pellets:


Engineers at Sheffield University have developed a track cleaning technology to remove leaves from railway lines, aiming to significantly reduce rail delays.
The technique was developed by a team of researchers led by Professor Roger Lewis from the university’s Department of Mechanical Engineering. It uses dry ice pellets in a stream of high pressure air which freeze the leaves, then as the pellets turn back to gas they are blasted away from the railhead.

“At the moment, railway lines are cleaned using railhead treatment trains, also known as RHTTs, but there is only a limited number of these trains available so they can’t treat the whole of the network,” said Lewis. “RHTTs are expensive to run, so they are mainly used to clean high-traffic, intercity lines, which means many lines are left untreated.”

Lewis added that the current cleaning system used by RHTTs can damage parts of the track, and the system must be switched off when travelling through stations to avoid spraying passengers, resulting in unclean lines within stations and increased risk of rail delays.

Water-Trak aims for better adhesion on rails

First developed by the group in 2015, their method has been tested on railhead treatment trains over the past two years and on passenger trains in early 2020. According to the team, their technique has proven to be ‘significantly more effective’ at removing leaves from the line, preventing delays and improving trains’ braking distances.

The system is lighter, and can clean parts of the railway network where current methods are unable to reach such as branch lines and track close to station platforms. It doesn’t affect nearby railway infrastructure and is also more environmentally friendly due to its use of reclaimed carbon dioxide, researchers said.

Its successful deployment onboard passenger trains in a collaboration with Northern was the first time that passenger trains have been used to clean the track anywhere in the world. This could reduce congestion on the railway, as extra railhead treatment trains wouldn’t need to be added to the network.

Seasonal improvement manager at Northern, Rob Cummings, described leaves on the line as one of the ‘biggest risks to performance’ during October and November.

Further passenger train trials with Northern will now be carried out through the autumn and winter 2021/22, with the system currently going through approval procedures to run on an in-service line. Network Rail’s Performance Innovation Fund is supporting the trials, and the system is expected to be rolled out widely by 2023/24.
 

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AFAIK the converted vehicle(s) were only used on the northern leg of the Thameslink route, under the wires, so the sandite vehicle wouldn’t have been under power. As a matter of record, former class 416 (2-EPB) vehicles were used rather than MLVs. The sandite runs also seem to have not been in passenger service, or so at least the caption of this image would suggest. https://www.flickr.com/photos/timeaster/15486510022
 

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The Nexus RHTT wagon is often top and tailed by Metrocars, albeit without any passengers onboard.
 

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It's fairly common in the Netherlands, NS have a few trains which have been equipped with tanks which apply Sandite to the tracks. These trains are used in passenger service, but are also used as extras to apply Sandite where necessary. The Sandite application process is fully automated and controlled remotely.

NS and ProRail are in a bit of bother though, due to fleet replacement some of the Sandite equipped units will be gone from service by next year and their replacements do not (yet) have the Sandite equipment.
 

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Not strictly railhead treatment, but 375801-820 have conductor rail de-icing equipment fitted.
 

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One problem with having it in a passenger consist is that it could take very careful diagraming to ensure all routes and lines required are treated, plus the water jets cut out under a certain speed, which would mean that you could end up not treating through platforms, which would hardly be satisfactory.
 

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A further problem is the dirt it would kick up which wouldn't be acceptable on passenger trains. There are quite a few pictures of very dirty locomotives which are part of RHTT trains.
 

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A further problem is the dirt it would kick up which wouldn't be acceptable on passenger trains. There are quite a few pictures of very dirty locomotives which are part of RHTT trains.

Depending on the operator they might not notice the difference! :lol::lol::lol:
 
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