At this point is it time to say this will probably go on until Abellio are done? I think so to be honestFurther industrial action announced until 28 November.
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It's Sunday services that are still effected though, so the staff involved only lose out on committed overtime.
They still get their basic wage, this action will drag on like you say until Abelio depart by the looks of things
I did think it was possible from the beginning to be honest. If Covid wasn't around it could potentially be different but even then there's 3 very stubborn parties involved here.
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By then it won't be worth reinstating Sunday services as there'll be no passengers left....
It needs the SNP to get involved but they won't, it seems they happy to let it drag on.
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This pay deal will get agreed next week, trains will probably be running next Sunday.
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Can't really foresee a scenario where Govt will allow strike action and disruption during Cop26, it just can't happen... for that reason and that reason alone I reckon a pay deal is likely to be struck (and hopefully soon)
Can't really foresee a scenario where Govt will allow strike action and disruption during Cop26, it just can't happen... for that reason and that reason alone I reckon a pay deal is likely to be struck (and hopefully soon)
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A 2 year deal was offered yesterday to all grades seperate from drivers and was accepted by TSSA, Unite and ASLEF. The RMT will put it to its members next week. The ballot in the post above was issued before this offer.
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I'll be surprised if it's accepted considering there was no offer of RDW payment but who knows. The rhetoric from RMT in their correspondence deemed the offer as derogatory
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I think the backdated 2.5% for this year was offered as a buyout of the enhanced rdw agreement.
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RATES OF PAY & CONDITIONS OF SERVICE 2021 - ABELLIO SCOTRAIL
You will know that negotiations have been taking place between RMT and Scotrail with regards to the long-standing dispute over the lack of a pay increase.
You may also have seen a communication sent out today by Scotrail Chief Operating Officer Ian McConnell, which has given rise to rumours and comments that the offer put on the table by the company has already been agreed by your union. The communication also hints that the industrial action which has been ongoing for many months has been called off.
I can categorically say that this offer has not been agreed by your union and that all previously announced industrial action including Strike Action on Sundays remains on.
The offer is currently being considered by your union's National Executive Committee, which is canvassing the views of your representatives and all members. Until that consultation has concluded, no decision will be taken on the pay offer.
I do encourage all members to forward their views to your reps and play a full part in this consultation exercise.
I will write to you again in due course, but I'd like to reiterate again the message that no pay offer from Scotrail has been agreed by your union.
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Bad deal for conductors. Hope it gets rejected.
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You'll no doubt get your chance to vote against it then.
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I didn't know what the productivity agreements were at that point!
What are they expecting from the conductors in return?
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I was thinking that to keep the peace none but maybe I’m looking at things too clearly.
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They are proposing anyone on a spare turn who doesn't pick up work can be used for revenue protection, in other words man the ticket barriers.
Happened regularly at Central during busy periods before the dispute, even when barriers were fully manned. Always had spare TEs on the barriers so see no reason why Conductors can't do the same?
Does the offer include the reinstatement of the RDW enhancement?
The staff have to work for the money that day rather than sitting around.
Sit in a warm mess room spare vs stand on a gateline. I know which I'd prefer
If I wanted to work a gateline I'd be a gateline operator not a train guard (I've experience of both, albeit very limited in the case of the gateline).
I have actually been known to pop out and help with a machine when things have gone wrong and I've been free, but that's different to being obliged to, and I'd certainly not choose to when it's freezing cold in winter.
Not saying it's necessarily an awful idea but to declare it has no downsides for the staff involved to consider before accepting is silly. That's without considering the feelings of the regular gateline staff who will be working with conductors earning more than them.
Worth noting that at certain TOCs, conductors' contracts still (or already) require them to work on gatelines if required.Sit in a warm mess room spare vs stand on a gateline. I know which I'd prefer
If I wanted to work a gateline I'd be a gateline operator not a train guard (I've experience of both, albeit very limited in the case of the gateline).
I have actually been known to pop out and help with a machine when things have gone wrong and I've been free, but that's different to being obliged to, and I'd certainly not choose to when it's freezing cold in winter.
Not saying it's necessarily an awful idea but to declare it has no downsides for the staff involved to consider before accepting is silly. That's without considering the feelings of the regular gateline staff who will be working with conductors earning more than them.
Obviously it's not likely to be a popular proposal, but there's no such thing as a free lunch. If the RMT concludes it's unhappy with this 'catch', I wonder what alternative efficiencies it would suggest, to offset the cost of a pay award.
*Crickets*...
I think that the issue is that the negotiators believe as dk1 suggests that it's only reasonable there's at least some pay award without quid pro quo. And the government believes that no award is acceptable without quid pro quo. And that's a key part of the divergence.
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I’d imagine a major downside is that management come to rely on spare conductors manning the gates and start to not replace vacant jobs within gate line.
So will that then mean once these guards have been stood on the gateline for 3 hours(because they haven’t picked up work) then for sickness or whatever reason they are required to work a train, but they say no they are having there pnb that the train gets cancelled?
On the other hand, if the management know that they can productively use 'spare' conductors, it could encourage them to employ more of them.
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In short no, which will be a major sticking point.
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