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Should Acton Main Line close when OOC opens?

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Horizon22

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Old Oak Common station is scheduled to open in the next 5-6 years and will have a fairly regular GWR and Crossrail/Elizabeth Line service as well as of course HS2 services. It will have a service essentially rivalling Paddington's as all through services are indeed intended to stop there.

Acton Main Line is current served by 2tph TfL Rail services (currently Heathrow stoppers) with no mainline platforms. So if the Relief lines are blocked (for engineering works for instance) it sees no service. Old Oak Common station will be approximately 1 mile away from the current station with a significantly better service. Acton Mainline sees about 350,000 passengers a year (pre-Covid) which, for Zone 3 (and right next to Z2), is very poor. No doubt this is due to the both the limited service (which was even worse pre TfL Rail), the slightly awkward location (next to Acton Yard) and nearby other stations (North Action for the Central, Action Central for the Overground).

Of course there are many stations in London where 1 mile is not actually that big a difference - especially in South London - but the station has always seemed rather unloved. Now the fact that TFL have just installed a new entrance and gateline it means this is all rather unlikely but it occurs to me that the opening of OOC will not exactly cause a rush of passengers to return to Acton Mainline. There may also be some operational benefits, although they might be minor. The passenger route from the current Acton Mainline to OOC also looks fairly non-existent although the development plans might see better connections to the western side of Action.

Edit: Also when the through service runs to C. London maybe it will be more popular than Central? I will add this is not my idea, but a local friend of mine!
 
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The problem with Acton Mainine is that it's current service is not very useful - it only takes you to Paddington and then you have to change for everywhere else. So hardly surprising that current usage is low.

Through operation with Crossrail could make the station considerably more popular - I recall Crossrail will give it a 4tph service too.
 

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And OOC is some 10 years away from being opened...plenty of time for Crossrail to make an effect on Acton Mainline's passenger numbers!
 

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If it goes to 4tph it might see some more use. The barriers will probably boost passenger numbers.

The days of it mostly being served by the 2 coach 165s which I would imagine would have been unpleasant due to loadings are gone
 

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Currently it is convenient for someone going to, or working at Heathrow. If you are going to anywhere in Central London either got to change at Paddington or take the slower but more frequent tube from a surrounding station.

Bound to get much higher usage when it can get you to West End, Central London, City and the business district of Canary Wharf, quickly and in air conditioned train (I won’t say comfortably, as there aren’t many seats, but rather more seats than slower tube)
 

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Currently it is convenient for someone going to, or working at Heathrow. If you are going to anywhere in Central London either got to change at Paddington or take the slower but more frequent tube from a surrounding station.

Bound to get much higher usage when it can get you to West End, Central London, City and the business district of Canary Wharf, quickly and in air conditioned train (I won’t say comfortably, as there aren’t many seats, but rather more seats than slower tube)

Very few people need sit down when the journey is less than 10 minutes!
 

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There are quite a few blocks of flats going up in the area immediately around Acton Mainline that are being advertised on the basis of the upcoming Crossrail service from there to the City. It's about 2 miles on foot to the location of Old Oak Common Station, crossing over one of the busiest roads in London, and then through an industrial estate. Those people are not going to walk that.
 

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The current issue with AML is the schedule. 2 tph means it's nowhere near a turn up and go service, so why would I wait for a service into Paddington when I can just get on the tube at Acton Town or North Acton? Even Acton Central sees a much better service.

It seems to be busier more recently when I have used the station, and I think the new station building and environment is helping that.

Once the service is up to 4tph and travels straight through central London (which is still only on the brink of a turn up and go service) I think there will be more patronage. But that's not for some time yet!

Hopefully TfL will revise the frequency to 6tph before Crossrail launches, but I'm not holding my breath!
 

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The current issue with AML is the schedule. 2 tph means it's nowhere near a turn up and go service, so why would I wait for a service into Paddington when I can just get on the tube at Acton Town or North Acton? Even Acton Central sees a much better service.

It seems to be busier more recently when I have used the station, and I think the new station building and environment is helping that.

Once the service is up to 4tph and travels straight through central London (which is still only on the brink of a turn up and go service) I think there will be more patronage. But that's not for some time yet!

Hopefully TfL will revise the frequency to 6tph before Crossrail launches, but I'm not holding my breath!

It will be interesting if there will be any increase of passenger numbers simply due to the station now having ticket barriers, but agreed if it goes 4tph it will be better than 2tph.
 

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It would be a horrendous waste of money to close it given the amount of money invested to rebuild the station . But then again the low frequency when compared to old oak means that when old oak common station gets built Acton Main lines catchment area is going to shrink.

I wonder how many of its patrons are railcrew from Acton yard or old oak common depot too who might find it easier to go to old oak common
 

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Housing development at OOC is likely to spill over into neighbouring areas as the new connections make it a good place to live. AML is likely to benefit from this, and if there is good demand for the 4tph expect that frequency to increase.
 

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Acton Main Line is surrounded by housing and not far from the new developments at Gypsy Corner/North Acton. Half hourly to Paddington is not a great offering compared to the nearby tube options, but obviously Crossrail radically changes that.

OOC will have far less of a walk-up catchment area than Acton ML, at least at first so I wouldn't expect many people to switch. It's more likely frequency will need to increase as some people switch away from the tube
 

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One big issue with Crossrail is the lack of inner calls. Acton should have 4-6tph and a ton of housing development - to add to those stuu mentioned up around Gypsy corner, which is not a bad walk.

It’s a different market to OOC (as North Pole/Ladbroke Grove was, tbh) - and we need swathes of housing along Crossrail at every point. This will have incredible journey times into Central London.
 

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One big issue with Crossrail is the lack of inner calls. Acton should have 4-6tph and a ton of housing development - to add to those stuu mentioned up around Gypsy corner, which is not a bad walk.

It’s a different market to OOC (as North Pole/Ladbroke Grove was, tbh) - and we need swathes of housing along Crossrail at every point. This will have incredible journey times into Central London.

Totally agree.
Really not sure why AML has been 'shafted' with only 4tph, with Ealing Broadway receiving up to 12tph and and Southall up to 10tph. Does anyone know?

I am also wondering whether it'll be re-zoned to 2/3 (just like North Acton that's only half a mile away. This would also help with patronage.
 

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Perhaps in time it will grow, but 4tph is a good start and uplift, with 10 mins into the West End, 15-ish to the City it will be game-changer. I expect the area to change pretty quickly once it beds in.

2/3 might be reserved for OOC, I would guess.
 

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Perhaps in time it will grow, but 4tph is a good start and uplift, with 10 mins into the West End, 15-ish to the City it will be game-changer. I expect the area to change pretty quickly once it beds in.

2/3 might be reserved for OOC, I would guess.
There is some agreement with the freight operators which prevents tfl Rail serving all stops iirc its something that limits the journey time between Acton mainline and Hayes & Harlington this means when the full timetable is in operation there will be no train serving all stops.
 

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There is some agreement with the freight operators which prevents tfl Rail serving all stops iirc its something that limits the journey time between Acton mainline and Hayes & Harlington this means when the full timetable is in operation there will be no train serving all stops.


AIUI it's a condition in Crossrail's "Track Access Option" to preserve capacity for defined freight paths on the Relief Lines.

Having not-everything stop at Acton Main Line is part of fighting the timetable to make this happen.
 

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AIUI it's a condition in Crossrail's "Track Access Option" to preserve capacity for defined freight paths on the Relief Lines.

Having not-everything stop at Acton Main Line is part of fighting the timetable to make this happen.
Pretty amazed they got 6tph to Hanwell then although I've heard that's going to be peak only now.
 
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