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Hi all, does anyone have diagrams for Sundays between Manchester - Cardiff and vice versa for the Sprinter units?
I wonder if it's rare for this to actually run in full formation - The times I've seen/travelled on this service (within recent times), it's always thrown up something else, i.e. a single 150 or 150+153, even once a 2-car 175 and the system was still announcing the train would split at Whitland!1430 is 150+153+153+153
The 153s are added at Crewe on the way up to Manchester so if nothing got there the night before, they arent added and generally are swapped in/added at Cardiff on the way back.I wonder if it's rare for this to actually run in full formation - The times I've seen/travelled on this service (within recent times), it's always thrown up something else, i.e. a single 150 or 150+153, even once a 2-car 175 and the system was still announcing the train would split at Whitland!
TfW mainline allocations out of Canton I find are some of the latest ones to be done.You should be able to see what's operating on TFW services now on RealTimeTrains, i suspect the allocations come out early mornings.
Always have been on Genius. Some are normally well en-route before allocations get added for the Canton starters.TfW mainline allocations out of Canton I find are some of the latest ones to be done.
Why are such low grade trains more likely to be used on this long distance route on weekends?
I suspect capacity and unit use wise, you probably need more on a Sunday afternoon/evening than a weekday now? Be interested to know what the diagram amounts are daily. For example, GWR West used to have more 165 diagrams on a Saturday than a weekday at one point.Why are such low grade trains more likely to be used on this long distance route on weekends?
This has been going on for years - as Philippe says it's more down to 175 availability than anything else.I suspect capacity and unit use wise, you probably need more on a Sunday afternoon/evening than a weekday now? Be interested to know what the diagram amounts are daily. For example, GWR West used to have more 165 diagrams on a Saturday than a weekday at one point.
May thanks for the response - along with Philipe. All seems very odd to me - how 175’s can be available on weekdays but less so on weekends. Anyway, I will have to accept your knowledgeable answer regarding this matter.This has been going on for years - as Philippe says it's more down to 175 availability than anything else.
Also worth pointing out that outside of Covid a 158 is booked to stable overnight at Piccadilly and get attached to one of the afternoon departures (at various timetables it's been either the 1330 or 1430).
May thanks for the response - along with Philipe. All seems very odd to me - how 175’s can be available on weekdays but less so on weekends. Anyway, I will have to accept your knowledgeable answer regarding this matter.
Aside from the positioning of units being different on a Sunday morning as compared to any other day of the week, many fleets have more units allocated to maintenance/exam on a weekend (or a Sunday) compared to weekdays.May thanks for the response - along with Philipe. All seems very odd to me - how 175’s can be available on weekdays but less so on weekends. Anyway, I will have to accept your knowledgeable answer regarding this matter.
14:30 being shown as:I did note today, that the 1329 Crewe - Manchester Piccadilly was a 150+153+150.
14:30 being shown as:
150 + 153 + 150 Manchester - Shrewsbury
150 + 150 Shrewsbury - Swansea
150 + 150 + 150 Swansea to Carmarthen
150 + 150 Carmarthen to Whitland
150 Whitland to Milford Haven
150 Whitland to Pembroke Dock
Sounds eventful![]()
The extra 150 between Swansea and Carmarthen didn't happen in the end.14:30 being shown as:
150 + 153 + 150 Manchester - Shrewsbury
150 + 150 Shrewsbury - Swansea
150 + 150 + 150 Swansea to Carmarthen
150 + 150 Carmarthen to Whitland
150 Whitland to Milford Haven
150 Whitland to Pembroke Dock
Sounds eventful![]()
Indeed, strictly speaking there wasn't a single unit that actually made it all the way from Manchester to Milford, and any through passengers would have had to have changed units at some point. However this is unlikely to have been an issue; the number of passengers going all the way is usually close to zero.Out of all those combinations only 150253 worked throughout up to the Pembroke Dock portion