False. For example, on Monday 9/8/21, the following trip is possible with 6 hours in Aberystwyth:
| Cardiff Central Railway Station | 0750 depart | 2300 arrive |
| Carmarthen Railway Station | 0958 arrive /1009 depart | 2037 arrive / 2100 depart |
| Aberystwyth Bus Station | 1224 arrive | 1840 depart |
You have to remember that @johntrawscymru has a phobia about trains, or maybe changing modes en route, or thinks others do, or thinks all journeys should cost no more than a Trawscymru Day Ticket or be free to concessionary passholders.
You have made some very valid points above and I agree with them. The only thing that I would like to pick up on this this quote above. Firstly, aren't parts of the T3 commercial which could explain Barmouth? Secondly, that is how GHA ran the route and it did quite well so while Barmouth may be a small area, I think the logic is, the route does decent and people going further afield can change at Dolgellau. If you took out placement trips, I do question how many T3s would continue to Barmouth since there are a number of Wrexham - Dolgellau trips and also short Dolgellau to Barmouth trips.
Well, you have been busy with Wikipedia. Where to start?
It is possible that the users of the service want to get from somewhere to somewhere else and don't have the need to charge their phone at the same time. They might not even have a mobile phone, or might just use it as a phone in which case it'll quite happily exist all day without being charged. The scenery between Aberystwyth and the M4 is well worth taking in if you find your phone has lost charge.
I don't know about the T11 however the T12 can hardly be accused of stealing passengers as there wasn't a service to steal from! It might not be the best use of the WG's funds, however there isn't a commercial service over the route!
Not under current rules. Coaches must have seatbelts and cannot have standees, and if it is a bus, the PSV Accessibility Regulations are more onerous. Extract from the regulations (full text at www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2000/1970/pdfs/uksi_20001970_en.pdf)
I think he's trying to suggest that there's some major extraction of passengers between Oswestry and Wrexham, not withstanding it only runs every two hours whilst the Arriva 2/2A service runs every 30 mins during the daytime (and has an hourly eve/Sun service).
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The way that I took it was that John was implying the Welsh Government is trying to boost Traws Cymru passenger numbers by rebranding existing routes. If TrawsCymru reports passenger numbers jump by 100,000, that's great news and gives the Welsh Govt something to brag about. It does however miss the major point that the increase was only possible because 120,000 passengers were from the original tendered buses which are now rebranded and infact, the equivalent network had a 20,000 passenger drop, it's only had an increase because of the rebranded routes.
Good points. I did miss the annual report. Just saying how I interpreted what John was saying. If he meant actual revenue extraction from non Traws commercial routes, there is extraction there. I've seen it first hand on the T3 and I believe the T12 is similar on some sections. The T3 does get people to the Maelor though so it would be difficult to do anything to stop people getting on in Ruabon going to Wrexham or even doing Wrexham to Llangollen because of the situation with the hospital. T2, you could argue revenue extraction against the X28 which is on the same frequency. There is revenue extraction there. The issue comes with some of the routes being commercial in part so it's a case of working out what is funded, what is commercial and then, is there any revenue extraction or is it commercial competition. There is a huge difference and that is something which needs looking at to help us all out here.
I disagree with you in some parts there. I think that while yes there may be a higher frequency, sometimes people favour speed over frequency and others get the first bus which comes. I've seen many a lower frequency route succeed against a higher frequency one on the same corridor.
As I said, there will some abstraction but it will be limited. In terms of regular travellers, the frequency of the Arriva service massively outweighs the FOUR T12 journeys per day from Oswestry to Wrexham. That and the lack of an evening or Sunday service means that regular travellers, and most opportunistic journeys, will still favour the main Arriva service. Yes, you'll get the people who'll get the first bus they see, or might specifically go for the T12 in terms of speed, but I'd suggest the level of abstraction is actually relatively low. Even lower on the T2 between Bangor and Caernarfon where the time variance between that and the 5C is negligible.
Before the T11 there were the 413 (Fishguard - St. Davids) and 411 (St. Davids - Haverfordwest), both of which were (if I recall correctly) local authority supported (although there may have been the odd journey that didn't have 'PCC' (for 'provided by Pembrokeshire County Council') at the top of the column on the timetable - there certainly was on the 412 (which is now half of the T5)). Both the 411 and 413 were removed and replaced by the T11. Personally I think they should have kept the service number as 411 just as the 460 is still the 460 despite now being a TrawsCymruConnect service.
I think @carlberry is alluding to commercial services that could be adversely affected by the rebranding of the 411/413 as the less than all new T11.
I was in Pembrokeshire last autumn and I saw a couple of T11s in St Davids, they were in TC livery. Before the 411 and 413 were connected the 411 Haverfordwest to St Davids was basically hourly, now the T11 is only two hourly, which is a poor main connection for a town, sorry city, of significance if not size. It does not appear that the T11 connects particularly well with the train to Haverfordwest which is also two hourly, but it isn't that easy to achieve with a two hourly service given the actual train times.
If I recall correctly the T11 was initially hourly (at least between St. Davids and Haverfordwest, I forget what it was between St. Davids and Fishguard but if I recall correctly it was a slight improvement on the 413). I expect the two-hourly service you're seeing now is a result of COVID-19 induced cutbacks. There are quite a few of those in the area. The T5 has more two hour gaps in the schedule than it used and the hourly First Cymru 348 (Haverfordwest - Pembroke Dock - Monkton) appears to have gone completely.
Subesquent messages in that thread cover the rail/bus nature of the 24 records.
Looks like possible through tickets on the T1?
Makes sense , especially if it means they can get rid of the T1C
The T1C is subcontracted to Mid Wales Travel who also operate parts of the T1 for first and Megabus from Aberystywth to Cardiff. The T1C tracks daily on the TrawsCymru app and on Bus times
It is run by Adventure Travel, it's their choice to sublet it!
Bus to Carmarthen (for the T1 to Aberystwyth) or Llanelli (for train to Cardiff)?
You may well be embarking on the magic roundabout.
Oh Yippee. The unaccountable Welsh governments. You've got to love it haven't you. There are moneys who are held more accountable for their actions.