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Delay Compensation Requirements for Season Ticket

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Malderon

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Hi thanks to everyone was so helpful about my questions on Season ticket eligibility. I've been reading your forums alot since I found you. I've always loved trains and since being a commuter I've rekindled my interest which had lapsed slightly. I'm back for more advice, and hope you can help and that this is the correct section.

My usual journey is as follows:

Southern service from Southampton Central to London Bridge:
Depart Chichester 06:59
Arrive East Croydon 08:26

Southern service from London Bridge to Tattenham Corner:
Depart East Croydon 08:31
Arrive Kingswood 08:56

As you can see quite a tight connection, but a journey that works with the recommended changing time on National rail website. However as you can imagine fairly often my train is late getting into ECR meaning I miss my connection. The next service is

Depart East Croydon 09:03
Arrive Kingswood 09:28

which is more than 30 minutes after my planned arrival time. However my train into ECR may have only been delayed by 6 minutes - so does this count for compensation purposes.

Equally following my other thread on buying season tickets beyond my intended destination I bought my season ticket to Tattenham Corner rather than to Kingswood am I entitled to claim compensation given that I am only travelling part of the way along my season ticket. (Ignoring the fact that I have bought the Tattenham Corner ticket which is easily changeable, for instance say I was taking a train to Horsham that was delayed by 30 minutes by using my season ticket could I claim compensation?

I'm generally confused about changing train and what that does to compensation, for instance yesterday the whole schedule in the South seemed to be going to hell due to "Poor Rail Conditions". On my journey home I travelled on the 17:25 from Kingswood to East Croydon, which was running late but that wasnt such a problem as I usually have a long wait at ECR anyway. However as everything was running late when I got to ECR there was a train that was going to Bognor Regis (the delayed 18:00 I think), (ie I could get on it and change at Barnham potentially for a service running East to west along the West Coastway from Brighton or Littlehampton.

Foolishly however I hadnt realised just how late everything was running (the Bognor train was only a few minutes delayed) and so I thought that wouldnt save me any time as it was a stopping service down the Arun Valley and my scheduled train was leaving at 18:18 and so therefore would probably be my first service going from Barnham to Chichester at any rate.

Then of course the 18:18 was delayed, I think finally leaving ECR 20 minutes late and arriving at Chichester somewhere in the region of 30 mins late.

Because I had the option of jumping on the Bognor train and (I think) that would have got me home less than 30 minutes after my scheduled arrival time - can I claim?

As I've mentioned, I'm totally confused about the whole thing. Does one service have to be delayed by 30 minutes, or only my start-end journey I suppose is the general question I'm asking. Sorry for the wall of text!

With Season ticket claims how does the TOC even know I was on the service I say I was on? I'm very confused about the whole thing to be honest!
 
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Weekly season tickets are usually eligible for compensation for specific journeys. I don't know exactly how it works with Southern though. Monthly and longer tickets are reliant on the rolling performance figures which might, if they're bad enough, get you a discount on the next renewal you make.
 

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Weekly season tickets are usually eligible for compensation for specific journeys. I don't know exactly how it works with Southern though. Monthly and longer tickets are reliant on the rolling performance figures which might, if they're bad enough, get you a discount on the next renewal you make.

That's changed now Mike, recently awarded franchises (eg new SN, London Midland) have all been moved onto something called 'delay repay' by DfT and season ticket holders have to claim for individual journeys as well.

Earlier franchise renewals such as SWT are still on 'charter discounts', and void days etc.
 

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Keep a record of every journey you make, by day and connections made and failed

Submit these with the relevant season ticket
You will then receive RTVs back, which should be at least 10% of that season ticket
 

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Keep a record of every journey you make, by day and connections made and failed

Submit these with the relevant season ticket
You will then receive RTVs back, which should be at least 10% of that season ticket

Er... not anymore - it really doesn't work like that on newer franchises, as I just posted. See the Southern DELAY REPAY instructions here:

http://www.southernrailway.com/your-journey/delay-repay/

Season tickets
Compensation for season tickets purchased on or after 20 September 2009 are based on the same scale as those which have been described for single and return tickets.

Your compensation will be calculated on the proportional daily cost of your ticket."
 

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You advised that you may be arriving 34 minutes late each day (assuming 5 days per week)
My calculation is you would receive the equivalent of at least 10% compensation in RTV, the daily cost
It has been like this for many years, for season tickets
 

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You advised that you may be arriving 34 minutes late each day (assuming 5 days per week)
My calculation is you would receive the equivalent of at least 10% compensation in RTV, the daily cost
It has been like this for many years, for season tickets

My calculation is that you would receive 25% of the daily equivalent return fare for each day , as shown in the table. What needs to be established is if that daily equivalent fare is a seventh of the weekly season, or a fifth of a weekly season...
 

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Rather than start a new thread, I thought this one was broad enough to take my query too (apologies if that's not the way you prefer things - first post...)

My normal commute is Guildford - Sutton, using the couple of services each way that Southern have to and from Guildford (via Clandon) in the rush hours. However, i also have to go up to (and around) central London a lot, so my annual season ticket is GLD - Zones 1-6, via Clandon or Woking. That is primarily a ticket bought by Waterloo commuters, and I bought it at Guildford from SWT.

I've not been able to get to work for the past three days - Southern has run no trains on that line. SWT is on the old franchise terms, and will probably declare void days for at least a couple of the days (that's what they did earlier in the year).

So - even though I will get void day compensation from SWT automatically when I renew my season ticket, can I technically also claim delay repay compensation from Southern for the specific journeys which I would have taken...? Or do I have to have a ticket issued by Southern to claim compensation from them?
 

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Just supposing you did get 'delay repay' compensation from Southern for the journey you normally make, would you turn down SWT's void day compensation when it came to renewal time?

I think you've come up with yet another good reason why the whole railway should have been changed to the 'delay repay' scheme together.
 

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Just supposing you did get 'delay repay' compensation from Southern for the journey you normally make, would you turn down SWT's void day compensation when it came to renewal time?

I probably wouldn't turn it down, no. I'd probably rationalise it on the basis of all the times when I've had early morning meetings in London and haven't been able to get a seat; if my conscience got the better of me I might make an equivalent charitable donation, but I wouldn't refuse it.

I think you've come up with yet another good reason why the whole railway should have been changed to the 'delay repay' scheme together.

While I wouldn't do this, I can imagine some would: given that there are two separate TOCs involved, what would stop me in such a situation making claims for my actual Southern journey each day, and also for the Waterloo jounrey that most people would be making with it? It's theft, obviously, but it is the equivalent of leaving your car unlocked with the keys in it.

But am I right that I can make the repayment claim from Southern, even though my Gold Card is from SWT?
 
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