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[tbtc]

None of FGW's nine incoming 150s provide additional capacity

Surely they are getting more than nine?

There are over 30 150s between LM and LO, and AFAIK Northern are only getting eight

 

[387star]

well FGW recieve all eight LO 150s as to the LM ones yes 9 is a small proportion!

 

[swt_passenger]

Surely they are getting more than nine?

There are over 30 150s between LM and LO, and AFAIK Northern are only getting eight

Yes, my mistake I should have said fifteen in total, they already have 6, but they are yet to recieve the 9 more from LM.

 

[tbtc]

Yes, my mistake I should have said fifteen in total, they already have 6, but they are yet to recieve the 9 more from LM.

I've heard that many versions of how things will look after the "cascade" that I lose track of exactly who is getting what when everything is finished

 

[Old Hill Bank]

If 180s are so good Chiltern would have taken them!!!

 

[MCR247]

Why would they have? Why would chiltern need them?

 

[TEW]

Surely they are getting more than nine?

There are over 30 150s between LM and LO, and AFAIK Northern are only getting eight

It seems fairly likely that LM will retain some Class 150s now and release some Class 153s instead.

 

[swt_passenger]

If 180s are so good Chiltern would have taken them!!!

It's all a bit academic because the DfT have announced the 5 spare are allocated to a TOC that can use the 125 mph capability...

 

[tbtc]

It seems fairly likely that LM will retain some Class 150s now and release some Class 153s instead.

Fair enough. What bugs me is when they only use these Sprinters coupled to 170s

 

[Aictos]

It's all a bit academic because the DfT have announced the 5 spare are allocated to a TOC that can use the 125 mph capability...

Well according to Wikipedia, they're going to be transferred back to First Great Western to increase capacity on Thames Valley services*.

*GW mulls Adelante use". Modern Railways (London): p. 89. November 2010

 

[WillPS]

"mulls" would indicate that it is far from certain, surely?

 

[Old Hill Bank]

If 180s are so good Chiltern would have taken them!!!

Chiltern are to start using class 67-mk3-dvt from December, perhaps 180s would have been an option.

 

[The Planner]

Never, why bother when they can rob WSMR of all their stock ?

 

[Old Hill Bank]

Why would they have? Why would chiltern need them?

Chiltern are to start using class 67-mk3-dvt from December, perhaps 180s would have been an option.
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Never, why bother when they can rob WSMR of all their stock ?

And their crews!!
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Shame Chiltern did not get the Snow Hill lines franchise, things could have been much better!!!!!!

 

[tbtc]

Shame Chiltern did not get the Snow Hill lines franchise, things could have been much better!!!!!!

That would have been a big improvement; the Snow Hill lines have significantly more in common with Chiltern than they do with other LM services
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Never, why bother when they can rob WSMR of all their stock ?

How long do you give WMSR, Planner?

 

[route:oxford]

Why would they have? Why would chiltern need them?

Afuture Bristol to London Marylebone via Foxhall curve and Bicester Spur?

At current prices, an Anytime ticket on that route would cost £65.40 (Anytime return Bristol-Bicester Town £22.70 + Bicester North-London Marylebone £42.70).

The journey once the Evergreen programme permits, would take around 2h5m.

An Anytime return from Bristol to London Paddington costs £159 and takes around 1h44m

The trouble is...

Would people be willing to take a journey that took 21minutes longer even though the it costs £93.60 less?

 

[The Planner]

Honestly ?? Less than a year. I just cannot see how they are making a profit and I think they are haemorrhaging money. Chiltern need loco stock and they have high quality stuff on tap straight away.
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A future Bristol to London Marylebone via Foxhall curve and Bicester Spur?

Doubt it, they will have their own self contained part of Oxford station as it is. Defeats the object to start using the FGW/XC side.

 

[IanXC]

Would Chiltern be allowed to maintain the southern portion of the WMSR route? I understand they have permission to run from Birmingham International? Could they do this to supplement CrossCountry's service now theyre all DB?

 

[MCR247]

Would Chiltern be allowed to maintain the southern portion of the WMSR route? I understand they have permission to run from Birmingham International? Could they do this to supplement CrossCountry's service now theyre all DB?

I doubt they would be allowed before 2012(?)

 

[The Planner]

I thought Brum Int was set down in the up and pick up in the down only. They dont have full station stop rights. Cant see them bothering to be honest.

 

[MCR247]

I thought Brum Int was set down in the up and pick up in the down only. They dont have full station stop rights. Cant see them bothering to be honest.

I didn't think they stopped, it certainly didn't when I was on it in the summer. Maybe you are thinking of Wolverhampton, which is as you suggest?

 

[The Planner]

Nope, they do have the contractural rights to stop at Brum Int, they just choose not to.

 

[MCR247]

Thats interesting, why did they choose not to? The one I was on SB was looped at Intl to allow a pendolino past

 

[The Planner]

Not sure, might duff up the path somewhere else if they do, it would cost it around 3 minutes if it did stop. I'll have a look at the graph if I remember.

 

[tbtc]

Thats interesting, why did they choose not to? The one I was on SB was looped at Intl to allow a pendolino past

The story I head is that they decided not to in case of late running, meaning they can be pathed via Solihull if required.

Could be wrong, but Birmingham International already has an hourly service to Shrewsbury (plus bi-hourly to Wrexham etc), so its not like they'd have that whole market to themselves...

 

[Lampshade]

Would people be willing to take a journey that took 21minutes longer even though the it costs £93.60 less?

Definitely, is that not a no-brainer? hock: