Speculation on alternative traction covering the grounding of Class 80x fleet

[popeter45]

how many spare power cars do GWR still have to marshal with these carriages?

 

[bnsf734]

how many spare power cars do GWR still have to marshal with these carriages?

According to a post several pages back 2 were moved from Penzance to Laira yesterday (Sunday). So at least 2!

Looks like these ex EMR HST vehicles were a good buy for LSL! I'm sure they will have paid for themselves soon.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I assume it will be Castle cars and not off leased ones brought back from Long Marston or Ely?

 

[AdamWW]

You might want to have a think about how HST trailers can work with a 47 or 57.

Someone just needs to knock up a quick three phase generator car to go with them (I think it was done in the early days of the HST MK3s?}

 

[D1537]

They are HST vehicles, not loco hauled coaches and the electrical systems are incompatible for passenger use. They can only be used with HST power cars.

Yep, sorry, flicking between threads and read the comment about them being the Mk3 hauled set (probably would have helped if I'd actually watched the video).

 

[RPI]

5Z37 Crewe to Laira is yet to depart but consisted as 37688 9479 41117 44047 42100

Who's she?

Doh! Bloody autocorrect! Haha

 

[popeter45]

Someone just needs to knock up a quick three phase generator car to go with them (I think it was done in the early days of the HST MK3s?}

the extra HST's will be a short term solution, not long enough to retrofit then test such a car, by the time you would be ready its likly enough of the 80X's would be back in service

Yep, sorry, flicking between threads and read the comment about them being the Mk3 hauled set (probably would have helped if I'd actually watched the video).

well these where loco hauled to site just without any power for lights, doors etc

 

[8J]

I have heard this internally but nothing official has been announced. It would make sense to make some sets available as out of 19 we currently need only 8 of them and two were stopped so there are theoretically 9 sets available

TPE currently need 10 802s to run the current timetable. I think it may be about 6 or 7 to run hourly Liverpool - York services which is what the service will be reduced to tomorrow.

5 802s have been stopped for cracks discovered, a further 2 have been taken out of service with a seperate defect so that leaves 12 sets for, let's say, 7 diagrams.

Allow for 2 sets to be on exam/maintennce, that leaves 3 spare potentially for short term transfer to GWR.

 

[800001]

TPE currently need 10 802s to run the current timetable. I think it may be about 6 or 7 to run hourly Liverpool - York services which is what the service will be reduced to tomorrow.

5 802s have been stopped for cracks discovered, a further 2 have been taken out of service with a seperate defect so that leaves 12 sets for, let's say, 7 diagrams.

Allow for 2 sets to be on exam/maintennce, that leaves 3 spare potentially for short term transfer to GWR.

And that leaves them with no contingency for anymore failures. I can't see them sending any south.

 

[8J]

And that leaves them with no contingency for anymore failures. I can't see them sending any south.

The contingency can be found in the 185 fleet and (to a lesser extent due to lack of competent traincrew) the 68/Mk5 fleet.

 

[TheLastMinute]

In the last few minutes, 1Pxx and 1Axx services running from Swindon to Paddington have started to appear in RTT for tomorrow timed as EMUs. Hopefully this means they have enough crew trained up in just a few days to run the 387s.

If it comes to pass, that's a fantastic effort by everyone (staff, GWR, NR and unions) to get that sorted so quick.

 

[popeter45]

In the last few minutes, 1Pxx and 1Axx services running from Swindon to Paddington have started to appear in RTT for tomorrow timed as EMUs. Hopefully this means they have enough crew trained up in just a few days to run the 387s.

If it comes to pass, that's a fantastic effort by everyone (staff, GWR, NR and unions) to get that sorted so quick.

yea, this as well as the XC swindon services and LSL EX-EMR carriages show just how well everybody is working together to mitigate this major event

 

[43102EMR]

I’ve heard rumors c2c’s 6 387/3s as well as some HT 802s could be coming in as a stop gap - anyone able to confirm or are discussions still ongoing?

 

[FGW_DID]

I’ve heard rumors c2c’s 6 387/3s as well as some HT 802s could be coming in as a stop gap - anyone able to confirm or are discussions still ongoing?

if/ when the C2C 387s turn up, it’s 3 of them.

 

[43102EMR]

if/ when the C2C 387s turn up, it’s 3 of them.

Thank you - if it does happen I wonder if they’ll stay in the fixed 12 car formation or whether they’ll be pooled with GWR’s existing units...

 

[357]

Regarding c2c class 387s, there is currently 3 of 6 units in use daily (normally 6 of 6). RTT shows today's diagram has 387s allocated to it.

Currently nothing in RTT from Shoeburyness, East Ham or Gas Factory Loop for today hinting at a stock transfer.

 

[RobShipway]

Regarding c2c class 387s, there is currently 3 of 6 units in use daily (normally 6 of 6). RTT shows today's diagram has 387s allocated to it.

Currently nothing in RTT from Shoeburyness, East Ham or Gas Factory Loop for today hinting at a stock transfer.

The class 387's from C2C, will not be arriving at Reading depot until about 12pm. The diagram may not be under C2c, as I suspect that the units will be loco hauled to Reading.

 

[357]

The class 387's from C2C, will not be arriving at Reading depot until about 12pm. The diagram may not be under C2c, as I suspect that the units will be loco hauled to Reading.

Does your info detail how many units are going ?

 

[D365]

The class 387's from C2C, will not be arriving at Reading depot until about 12pm. The diagram may not be under C2c, as I suspect that the units will be loco hauled to Reading.

You don’t need to ”suspect”. There is no electrified link between the GWML and other lines.

 

[millemille]

You don’t need to ”suspect”. There is no electrified link between the GWML and other lines.

Pfffft! I'm no operational expert but surely getting a good head of steam up, so to speak, and dropping the pan can overcome that?

 

[Ianno87]

Pfffft! I'm no operational expert but surely getting a good head of steam up, so to speak, and dropping the pan can overcome that?

Or sneak it through Crossrail and hope nobody notices

 

[Watershed]

Pfffft! I'm no operational expert but surely getting a good head of steam up, so to speak, and dropping the pan can overcome that?

To be fair, the gradient down from Acton Wells Jn would probably give the train enough momentum to coast till it was back under the wires. Slight problem when it's time to return the units though!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Pfffft! I'm no operational expert but surely getting a good head of steam up, so to speak, and dropping the pan can overcome that?

It's downhill from Acton Wells Jn on the Poplar Branch to the GWML...

 

[73128]

If the two (short?) HSTs currently with EMR went back to LNER after this weekend they could shuttle inverness to Edinburgh and back and Aberdeen to Edinburgh and back (twice) for connections every day.

 

[Wallsendmag]

If the two (short?) HSTs currently with EMR went back to LNER after this weekend they could shuttle inverness to Edinburgh and back and Aberdeen to Edinburgh and back (twice) for connections every day.

Why would they go back to LNER surely they would be returned to the leaseco ?

 

[73128]

Does your info detail how many units are going ?

do you mean today (Tuesday) as I can see no diagrams on RTT for a Shoeburyness to Reading depot move all day (yet anyway)?

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Why would they go back to LNER surely they would be returned to the leaseco ?

who could then lease them short term to LNER. Need a dispensation from DFT since they are not compliant but the Rail Minister was calling yesterday for Train Operators " to source extra trains to avoid delays". Easier said than done although these are available!

 

[John R]

Why would they go back to LNER surely they would be returned to the leaseco ?

I think the point being made is that they will be available after this week to cover the shortfall in units and service north of the border. Without going into the precise contractual detail of the steps that would need to occur for it to happen. Those steps are probably the easiest bit to solve - issues around retained staff knowledge might be a little more problematic in terms of the speed of delivery of a solution.

 

[73128]

It's downhill from Acton Wells Jn on the Poplar Branch to the GWML...

another reason to remind the DfT of their foolishness and short-sightedness at not wiring sections like this.

 

[iainp]

If the two (short?) HSTs currently with EMR went back to LNER after this weekend they could shuttle inverness to Edinburgh and back and Aberdeen to Edinburgh and back (twice) for connections every day.

Why bother - Scotrail could use the HST's they have in store a bit like Cross Country are doing could they not?

 

[357]

do you mean today (Tuesday) as I can see no diagrams on RTT for a Shoeburyness to Reading depot move all day (yet anyway)?

I could not see either - but all 387 units are currently at East Ham, and are only being used on one diagram that starts and ends there each morning/evening peak.