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507 unit rescue operation at Kirkby following the derailment
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notlob.divad
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I think the title of that is a little overly optimistic. It appears to be a video of 37800 trying to rescue 507006.
I am not saying it did not suceed (eventually) but it certaily doesn't in the duration of that video.
_toommm_
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I’m guessing they’re just dragging some of it out from under the bridge. There’s no schedule for it to be moved away from Kirkby that I’ve seen yet.
More of a tug of war no?
Vespa
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I winged past to have a look, its only moved back marginally, the wheels are still bogged down in the gravel.
The station yard is full of Network rail, DB, Stadler vans, the tracks are missing from under the loco, without a crane, they're really up against it.
The station yard is full of Network rail, DB, Stadler vans, the tracks are missing from under the loco, without a crane, they're really up against it.
notlob.divad
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Irresistable force v's immovable object.
Not the usual way to recover a derailed train! Presumably the embankment down from the car park and the old road bridge mean they can't get a crane into a useful position or the position of the front car right under the bridge means a crane can't do a lot yet. Send for a few more 37s and deafen most of Kirkby!
Vespa
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Or create a temporary track underneath to mount it on the network rail own track.
Grumpy Git
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Why not send something with a lot more poke?
ANDREW_D_WEBB
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37800 is fitted with a coupler allowing it to couple directly to the 507. Very few other locos have these and would need a translator vehicle.
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A Class 60, for instance...
Imagine if there was the clearance, coupling and electrical supply for a Eurotunnel class 9, wouldn't be stuck there anymore!
The video shown of the "recovery" looks like it should be from TTTE, with Thomas trying to get the train going and the 508 being troublesome trucks!
The video shown of the "recovery" looks like it should be from TTTE, with Thomas trying to get the train going and the 508 being troublesome trucks!
Grumpy Git
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Network Rail should be ashamed to show that video, just needs to be dated 1st April to finish it off.
It’s a fairly standard methodology to rerail something that that has come off in this type of incident.
I remember seeing a pic in a Modern Railways from the 70s of rerailing a loco that had gone down a bank somewhere (no idea where) on a 4 track section. It was towed back up, and onto the rails, by a lash up of 37s (I think) positioned on all 4 lines.
I remember seeing a pic in a Modern Railways from the 70s of rerailing a loco that had gone down a bank somewhere (no idea where) on a 4 track section. It was towed back up, and onto the rails, by a lash up of 37s (I think) positioned on all 4 lines.
Why?
philthetube
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YOu would expect them to try the inexpensive option first. (And they should)
Grumpy Git
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Might as well use my Atco mower for the amount of movement the 37 has provided.
N95JPl
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They’ve actually managed to move it a considerable amount since that video was taken!
Should be on the rails again at some point tomorrow?
Seems as though they’re probably going to move it Thursday night after traffic if that’s the case, if it’s actually safe to move, how would they go about testing that?
Should be on the rails again at some point tomorrow?
Seems as though they’re probably going to move it Thursday night after traffic if that’s the case, if it’s actually safe to move, how would they go about testing that?
FrodshamJnct
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Would they just skate it to be safe?
N95JPl
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You’d have assumed so, but that’s a pretty long way to run under skates, walking pace?
Grumpy Git
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That's good to know.
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There was a derailed 66 in Europe that ended up on its side under a bridge..
Solution? Borrow a tank from the army to drag it out.
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On skates is normally faster then walking pace - but even at walking pace it should only take one night to get from Kirkby to Kirkdale.
notlob.divad
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Didn't they just skate a Pendolino from Lockerbie to Glasgow. If they can do that, Kirkby to Kirkdale seems well within scope
N95JPl
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I hadn’t heard of that one!
Mcr Warrior
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Recovery of the failed Pendolino from the Lockerbie area (last month) covered at length in the following thread.
WCML Disruption in Scotland (02/02/2021)
Finally made Polmadie at 0432 only 102L. Give or take a couple of days.
www.railforums.co.uk
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That’s assuming that the bogies on the leading vehicle are in a good enough condition to skate.
I visited around 1700-1800 today. Recovery seemed to be progressing fairly well with the TSO and rear bogie of the DMS retailed by that point.
What was particularly striking is just how much damage there is to the DMS, the entire second man’s side is caved in, far worse than the damage to 508101 was for example.
What was particularly striking is just how much damage there is to the DMS, the entire second man’s side is caved in, far worse than the damage to 508101 was for example.
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skates aways used to be walking pace over any points and crossovers but 15 or 20 on plain track ??
gimmea50anyday
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20 on plain line, 5 on points and crossings
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