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Taunton, of course :) . The freight line, known as the "avoiding line", passed south of the station, probably over a mile long from East Junction to West Junction. Built about 1900 along the line of an old canal. By the 1960s it was closed in the day but open at night, when most of the through freight passed by. Multiple yards along the line. A new road has been built along the alignment in the last few years.

In the current Trivia. Freight Avoiding Lines UK thread, Taunton made this interesting comment. I had never realised that Trenchard Way (opened in 2017) followed an 'avoiding line' round Taunton station. I'm assuming its main purpose was to serve the various sidings/yards in the town.

Does anyone know the historic use of what seems like three distinct areas which I have highlighted on the map of the historic rail lines, as follows:
  1. The area to the north of the main line and east of the station (marked in yellow), now an area of well-established housing.
  2. The area to the south of the main line and east of the station sandwiched between the main line and the canal and now an area of new apartments (marked in teal).
  3. The area to the south of the main line and west of the station now occupied by commercial premises including the Post Office (marked in green).

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this map may partly answer your question. 6" OS map 1888-1913

yellow area open fields, but next to a railway workshop

teal area I would suggest is reclaimed wetland - hence the pumping station and canal reservoir. From memory a lot of marsh was drained when the canal was built. It could be relevant that the sidings are adjacent to the head of the canal -perhaps the area was established as a loading area prior to the railway? Though I believe the river would have been navigable for smaller craft into the town

green area is adjacent to an ironworks and maltings, which may explain the sidings there
 
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The area just west of the yellow was the shed, I think? The avoiding lines were just that, to get freight out of the way ( and to get to the goods shed ) - you can spot what's left at Exeter too, the depot is on part of them now. A lot of that infrastructure was still there in the early 80s at least ( I can vaguely remember seeing a train on the avoider ) but went with the semaphores, probably.

I don't remember any infrastructure around the cyan sidings but they were mostly disused by the time I got anywhere near the place.

https://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/ might be useful if you haven't found it.
 
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One for me I guess. Trenchard Way, the new inner bypass road from Staplegrove Bridge (left on the map) to Firepool (right on the map, all along the former avoiding line, is named after Hugh Trenchard, founder of the RAF at the end of WW1, who came from Taunton. Firepool has recently been redeveloped on old railway land with a ghastly set of post-modern, architect ego-trip apartment blocks, which should never have been given planning permission in such a fine old country town https://www.google.com/maps/@51.022...4!1s7uA53RwAEo-haebICO65rQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

But I digress. There were no freight running sidings on the north side, they were all on the south. On the map above the yellow area was the GWR's concrete works, a large factory, anything precast in concrete was made there and shipped out. It had its own old Ruston shunter, DS1169, which was a rare sight outside the fence.

The turquoise area east of the station, Taunton Goods, was the main freight area, any remarshalling of freights happened here, detaching wagons for the various branch lines, and this is where the branch freights departed from. Also there was a huge brick-built freight shed, and the railway delivery lorries worked from here. In the early 1960s the pannier tank duty for shunting changed over to a new Class 08.

The green area is under the good old Fortysteps long footbridge (note spelling please Network Rail, NOT "40 Steps" as on your sign, the town has always spelt it this way, one word), lair of most Taunton spotters and photographers, self included. This substantial footbridge dated from the 1930s widening to four tracks through Taunton. It crossed the main lines, a few carriage sidings, the Avoiding Line, and then a substantial set of sidings, the Chip Lane Sidings, up to the boundary. This was the spare wagon store for the Western District, all types not immediately required were stored here. A couple of the tracks were laid in concrete for hosing out cattle wagons. It, too, had a pilot on weekday mornings, another Pannier/Class 08 changeover, which worked back and forth under Staplegrove bridge sorting out recent arrivals and what was now required. These wagons were then tripped at the end of the operation to Taunton Goods, and occasionally a through freight on the Avoiding Lines would stop to attach a number of them. When the sidings were closed the Royal Mail area sorting office was built on the site.

Beyond the Staplegrove Road bridge on the left, and beyond the map above, again on the south side, was Fairwater Yard, built in WW2, which stretched all the way to Silk Mills level crossing box. This was adapted for the civil engineer's track assembly depot for the Western District, with its own shunter PWM652, which occasionally waddled back to the loco shed at the station for fuel.
 
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................ It had its own old Ruston shunter, DS1169, which was a rare sight outside the fence...................
DS1169 was at Yeovil Junction by the late 1960s in the engineers yard, and had previously been at Broad Clyst. It was eventually scrapped after the roof fell off in around 1971, after lying around sheeted over

As far as I can remember one of the PWM65x class 04 lookalikes did the work, but wasn't DS1172 there for a while?
 

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DS1169 was at Yeovil Junction by the late 1960s in the engineers yard, and had previously been at Broad Clyst. It was eventually scrapped after the roof fell off in around 1971, after lying around sheeted over.

Slightly off topic but what did DS1169 do at Broadclyst, and where was it stabled RR?
 

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Slightly off topic but what did DS1169 do at Broadclyst, and where was it stabled RR?
There was an engineering depot there, which wiki says closed 1965, which would correspond with the move to Yeovil. At Yeovil it just shunted the engineers sidings. Presumably the same at Broadclyst
I guess it would have stabled at the depot, same as at Yeovil - you wouldn't want it running on the main line

When it was scrapped it still had its original apple green Ruston paint job, with a yellow nose faded white, with rust showing through. Probably never had a works visit from new.
The black-painted recreation / clone of it based at Shillingstone has the wrong paint, wrong nose and wrong windows
 
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Fascinating.
Would the yard have been on the site that the various supermarkets have been on over the years then (up side, east of the road bridge)?
I feel like I should have known this, but I didn’t.
 

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Fascinating.
Would the yard have been on the site that the various supermarkets have been on over the years then (up side, east of the road bridge)?
I feel like I should have known this, but I didn’t.
I don't know the area, but google says it was on the up side of the station, while google maps shows a large area of hardstanding to the north of the line and east of Station road with an industrial unit on it which looks likely
Hopefully this map link works - the area should be in the middle

 

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I don't know the area, but google says it was on the up side of the station, while google maps shows a large area of hardstanding to the north of the line and east of Station road with an industrial unit on it which looks likely
Hopefully this map link works - the area should be in the middle


Yep that’s where I was thinking.
I’m going to do a bit of research into it and get back to you. ;)
 

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Broad Clyst Engineer’s Depot was at the east end of the station on the Up side. It extended for well over a quarter of a mile.
 

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PWM652 was the Taunton loco. Unfortunately the second one has been mis-captioned, and can be seen to be also 652.

Those onetime Southern Region departmental locos seem to have been moved around a bit once they passed to the WR in 1962. I think that before the DS came to the Taunton concrete works for a while there had been another oddball small loco there, possibly petrol. Taunton main shed also helped them out of course - some of the long wagons with concrete bridge sections etc would have been fairly weighty.
 
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One for me I guess. Trenchard Way, the new inner bypass road from Staplegrove Bridge (left on the map) to Firepool (right on the map, all along the former avoiding line, is named after Hugh Trenchard, founder of the RAF at the end of WW1, who came from Taunton. Firepool has recently been redeveloped on old railway land with a ghastly set of post-modern, architect ego-trip apartment blocks, which should never have been given planning permission in such a fine old country town https://www.google.com/maps/@51.022...4!1s7uA53RwAEo-haebICO65rQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

But I digress. There were no freight running sidings on the north side, they were all on the south. On the map above the yellow area was the GWR's concrete works, a large factory, anything precast in concrete was made there and shipped out. It had its own old Ruston shunter, DS1169, which was a rare sight outside the fence.

The turquoise area east of the station, Taunton Goods, was the main freight area, any remarshalling of freights happened here, detaching wagons for the various branch lines, and this is where the branch freights departed from. Also there was a huge brick-built freight shed, and the railway delivery lorries worked from here. In the early 1960s the pannier tank duty for shunting changed over to a new Class 08.

The green area is under the good old Fortysteps long footbridge (note spelling please Network Rail, NOT "40 Steps" as on your sign, the town has always spelt it this way, one word), lair of most Taunton spotters and photographers, self included. This substantial footbridge dated from the 1930s widening to four tracks through Taunton. It crossed the main lines, a few carriage sidings, the Avoiding Line, and then a substantial set of sidings, the Chip Lane Sidings, up to the boundary. This was the spare wagon store for the Western District, all types not immediately required were stored here. A couple of the tracks were laid in concrete for hosing out cattle wagons. It, too, had a pilot on weekday mornings, another Pannier/Class 08 changeover, which worked back and forth under Staplegrove bridge sorting out recent arrivals and what was now required. These wagons were then tripped at the end of the operation to Taunton Goods, and occasionally a through freight on the Avoiding Lines would stop to attach a number of them. When the sidings were closed the Royal Mail area sorting office was built on the site.

Beyond the Staplegrove Road bridge on the left, and beyond the map above, again on the south side, was Fairwater Yard, built in WW2, which stretched all the way to Silk Mills level crossing box. This was adapted for the civil engineer's track assembly depot for the Western District, with its own shunter PWM652, which occasionally waddled back to the loco shed at the station for fuel.
Off topic, but I'd hardly describe those flats as an ego-trip for the architect, in my opinion they're rather conservative compared to some of the Will Alsop carbuncles that so many northern cities have been er... blessed with. I do agree that they don't really fit in with the character of Taunton though.

Back on topic (ish), I lived in Taunton for five years and spent many an hour on that footbridge. Until today I never knew what it was called so thanks for that... were they just trying to go one-better than John Buchan? ;)
 

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PWM652 was the Taunton loco. Unfortunately the second one has been mis-captioned, and can be seen to be also 652.

Those onetime Southern Region departmental locos seem to have been moved around a bit once they passed to the WR in 1962. I think that before the DS came to the Taunton concrete works for a while there had been another oddball small loco there, possibly petrol. Taunton main shed also helped them out of course - some of the long wagons with concrete bridge sections etc would have been fairly weighty.
The Industrial Railway Society published an excellent booklet on the PWMs (written by Adrian Booth IIRC) which lists their various moves. Suspect it's long out of print, but a good read if you can get hold of a copy.
 

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From 1939 to 1959 there was a shunter numbered 49 at Broad Clyst. This had been built at Exmouth Junction on an SECR carriage bogie and, quite honestly, looked like a ramshackle garden shed on wheels, complete with corrugated iron roof. It had gone for scrap by the time the WR took over.
 

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From 1939 to 1959 there was a shunter numbered 49 at Broad Clyst. This had been built at Exmouth Junction on an SECR carriage bogie and, quite honestly, looked like a ramshackle garden shed on wheels, complete with corrugated iron roof. It had gone for scrap by the time the WR took over.
You're not kidding, just found this photo online at https://www.flickr.com/photos/73091173@N03/29872913010/

Apparently its real number was 49S, somebody forgot to paint the S by the look of it
 

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Apparently its real number was 49S, somebody forgot to paint the S by the look of it
Roger Harris in The Allocation History of BR Diesels & Electrics, Part Four, says that 49 (no S before or after) was the correct number as it belonged to the Chief Civil Engineer’s Department, not the Chief Mechanical Engineer’s one. However, the system seems to be riddled with inconsistencies and it did carry the S at some point in BR days.

EDIT: It seems likely that 49 was used at Exmouth Junction concrete works until around 1946.
 
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this map may partly answer your question. 6" OS map 1888-1913

yellow area open fields, but next to a railway workshop

teal area I would suggest is reclaimed wetland - hence the pumping station and canal reservoir. From memory a lot of marsh was drained when the canal was built. It could be relevant that the sidings are adjacent to the head of the canal -perhaps the area was established as a loading area prior to the railway? Though I believe the river would have been navigable for smaller craft into the town

green area is adjacent to an ironworks and maltings, which may explain the sidings there
Thanks for the map.

I also wondered about the relationship between canal and station area. I guess they were linked to some degree.

The teal area isn't reclaimed. it's actually significantly above the river and canal.

The ironworks is news to me, but it's obvious where it was since the area is still light industry. I think it is further from the sidings that you'd think from the map and doubt they are directly related. Can't rule it out, but doesn't quite gel.

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The area just west of the yellow was the shed, I think? The avoiding lines were just that, to get freight out of the way ( and to get to the goods shed ) - you can spot what's left at Exeter too, the depot is on part of them now. A lot of that infrastructure was still there in the early 80s at least ( I can vaguely remember seeing a train on the avoider ) but went with the semaphores, probably.

I don't remember any infrastructure around the cyan sidings but they were mostly disused by the time I got anywhere near the place.

https://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/ might be useful if you haven't found it.

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I did know about https://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/, but thanks for prompting me to look again. I hadn't realised they have a link to a former site they ran and, sure enough, they have a page on the cement works on the old site.

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One for me I guess. Trenchard Way, the new inner bypass road from Staplegrove Bridge (left on the map) to Firepool (right on the map, all along the former avoiding line, is named after Hugh Trenchard, founder of the RAF at the end of WW1, who came from Taunton. Firepool has recently been redeveloped on old railway land with a ghastly set of post-modern, architect ego-trip apartment blocks, which should never have been given planning permission in such a fine old country town https://www.google.com/maps/@51.022...4!1s7uA53RwAEo-haebICO65rQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

But I digress. There were no freight running sidings on the north side, they were all on the south. On the map above the yellow area was the GWR's concrete works, a large factory, anything precast in concrete was made there and shipped out. It had its own old Ruston shunter, DS1169, which was a rare sight outside the fence.

The turquoise area east of the station, Taunton Goods, was the main freight area, any remarshalling of freights happened here, detaching wagons for the various branch lines, and this is where the branch freights departed from. Also there was a huge brick-built freight shed, and the railway delivery lorries worked from here. In the early 1960s the pannier tank duty for shunting changed over to a new Class 08.

The green area is under the good old Fortysteps long footbridge (note spelling please Network Rail, NOT "40 Steps" as on your sign, the town has always spelt it this way, one word), lair of most Taunton spotters and photographers, self included. This substantial footbridge dated from the 1930s widening to four tracks through Taunton. It crossed the main lines, a few carriage sidings, the Avoiding Line, and then a substantial set of sidings, the Chip Lane Sidings, up to the boundary. This was the spare wagon store for the Western District, all types not immediately required were stored here. A couple of the tracks were laid in concrete for hosing out cattle wagons. It, too, had a pilot on weekday mornings, another Pannier/Class 08 changeover, which worked back and forth under Staplegrove bridge sorting out recent arrivals and what was now required. These wagons were then tripped at the end of the operation to Taunton Goods, and occasionally a through freight on the Avoiding Lines would stop to attach a number of them. When the sidings were closed the Royal Mail area sorting office was built on the site.

Beyond the Staplegrove Road bridge on the left, and beyond the map above, again on the south side, was Fairwater Yard, built in WW2, which stretched all the way to Silk Mills level crossing box. This was adapted for the civil engineer's track assembly depot for the Western District, with its own shunter PWM652, which occasionally waddled back to the loco shed at the station for fuel.
Thanks so much for this.

I assumed the Post Office was on the site. Fairwater Yard is still active, of course.

I assume the ironworks shown on the OS map in an earlier post is now the Albemale Trading Estate. Was it rail connected ?

One other question. Do you have any knowledge of whether the location of the goods yard right by Firepool Lock was coincidental or was it in some way, perhaps indirectly, connected to the head of the canal being there. I assume there's a connection.

I also read that the avoiding line was actually built over a former GWR canal. Dos that sound right ?

PS: The apartments aren't that bad ! I am more positive that they and the rest of the Firepool development will help make the station part of the town as its centre moves northward. The area will hopefully become more and more important as the potential to commute to Bristol or Exeter without the road congestion and the pretty easy run to Paddington and Heathrow add to its attractions.
 
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The "ironworks" is being generous. It was one step up from a blacksmiths' shop, the sort of place that made manhole covers or railings for the park.. There were quite a lot of light engineering works around town, but I can't think of a single one that was ever rail connected.

Taunton was quite a canal town just before the railway came, the Bridgwater Canal is all still there, joined just outside town by the Chard Canal. From the Firepool terminus where it joined the river by locks, recently restored, the Grand Western Canal continued, this is the one that was replaced by the Avoiding Line, from Staplegrove Bridge it went south of the line and on to Tiverton. The Bristol & Exeter railway progressively bought all these up, the loco water supply at Taunton came from canal water. The big abandoned brick goods depot building east of the station (1932, though it looks older) has two floors of goods storage, and on top a large water tank pumped up from the canal which gave the water head for all round the site. The canal also provided water for the troughs at Creech, where railway and canal run alongside. Obviously it was a convenience that the railway owned all this.
 

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There was also a yard on the upside between Norton Fitzwarren and Silk Mill called I believe Blinkhorn Sidings. Various buildings and a loading gauge existed until development took place some years ago.
 

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There was also a yard on the upside between Norton Fitzwarren and Silk Mill called I believe Blinkhorn Sidings. Various buildings and a loading gauge existed until development took place some years ago.

I guessed it was where the Heritage Centre now is. Their website confirms this:-

"The fields west of the mill site continued in agricultural use until the Second World War when they were cleared and levelled to create the largest military supply depot in South-West England. It took only two months to build and was known as 3 Supply Depot when in the care of the RASC, later the Royal Army Ordnance Corps. In 1942 it became the American Army’s G 50. It had its own railway sidings as did a smaller depot east of the Silk Mills Road and now the site of Bindon Road business and retail parks. Other depots and camps were situated to the north around Courtlands House and Norton Manor including a prisoner of war camp. Some of those properties still belong to the Ministry of Defence notably Norton Manor Camp, home of 40 Commando of the Royal Marines.

Following the closure of the supply depot in 1966 its buildings were used as a trading estate, the enormous sheds, some of them triple units, providing cheap warehousing and storage for buses and lorries. In the early 21st century pressure for redevelopment led to the destruction and clearance of most of the site to create a large business and trading estate, c. 500 new homes, green areas and a new road system to bypass Norton Fitzwarren. By 2010 only about four wartime stores survived and a few other structures. One of the earliest new arrivals on the site was the Somerset Heritage Centre built on the site of the depot's railway sidings."


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By the way, the second yard they mention would be on the up side, across the tracks from Fairwater yard, approximately where Matalan and Chaplins and Mitsubishi are now.

The "ironworks" is being generous. It was one step up from a blacksmiths' shop, the sort of place that made manhole covers or railings for the park.. There were quite a lot of light engineering works around town, but I can't think of a single one that was ever rail connected.

Funny. There's still metal fabricators there even now.

Thanks again for the info.
 
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