Database of Diagrams - A Possibility?

[FLIRTfan18]

Being someone who finds a fair bit of pleasure in sitting and deducing diagrams from sources such as RTT, I'm wondering whether, if a significant amount of us club together to do local lines/lines of interest, we could get a database of diagrams together that would aim to give pretty good coverage. Obviously accuracy wouldn't be 100% but it could perhaps end up a useful and interesting tool to refer to Is this something people would be interested in, or is it a pointless waste of time?

 

[pdeaves]

I think this could end up being more work than you expect (like every time there is some engineering blockade). Nothing says you can't give it a go, though!

 

[CW2]

It could be done. You would need to agree a format for the diagrams, and decide how much information to include. Also, are you targetting this at the "informed enthusiast" audience, or Joe Public? How much abbreviation of place names could you get away with? Include or exclude train reporting numbers? Include or exclude some or all intermediate stops? Include or exclude platform information? Who decides which lines / classes are prioritised?
I wouldn't worry about engineering blockades for now - just concentrate on getting the base diagrams done.

 

[87015]

Is the pseduo nationalisation enough for FOIs to be used?

 

[JonathanH]

It could be done. You would need to agree a format for the diagrams, and decide how much information to include. Also, are you targetting this at the "informed enthusiast" audience, or Joe Public? How much abbreviation of place names could you get away with? Include or exclude train reporting numbers? Include or exclude some or all intermediate stops? Include or exclude platform information? Who decides which lines / classes are prioritised?
I wouldn't worry about engineering blockades for now - just concentrate on getting the base diagrams done.

I find the easiest way to do it is just to copy the text from RTT for each service into a text file although I appreciate that short form place names can sometimes be helpful.

When I have compiled diagrams in this way, a check is needed that they balance - ie the same number of units at each location at the start and end of the day. Preferably also to do it on a day when there is no late night engineering work and also to use a Tuesday or Wednesday. It is also necessary to check that every service on each route has been accounted for.

 

[FLIRTfan18]

Is the pseduo nationalisation enough for FOIs to be used?

I hadn't thought of that - it would make the process less labour intensive for sure!

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Is the pseduo nationalisation enough for FOIs to be used?

Doesn't look like it can be done when owned by private companies but can be for Government controlled ones like Northern. In fact, someone has made the request and they have provided them!

 

[SteelWeelApeal]

I think it's a very good idea but I imagine now might not be the best time to do it, as there isn't really a reliable base timetable as it changes so much due to Covid.

 

[PHILIPE]

I think it's a very good idea but I imagine now might not be the best time to do it, as there isn't really a reliable base timetable as it changes so much due to Covid.

There is a pinned thread here but it has been suspended due to COVID alterations. It relies on people feeding in the info

Frequently requested diagrams

It is the intention to reinstate this thread for the start of the new TT in May 2025. If anyone can offer up diagrams then please PM me with them and I will add them to this thread. In particular I am after the following: 1. Chiltern Class 68 2. TfW Class 67 3. Scotrail HST 4. LNER Class 91 5...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[JonathanH]

There is a pinned thread here but it has been suspended due to COVID alterations. It relies on people feeding in the info

Frequently requested diagrams

It is the intention to reinstate this thread for the start of the new TT in May 2025. If anyone can offer up diagrams then please PM me with them and I will add them to this thread. In particular I am after the following: 1. Chiltern Class 68 2. TfW Class 67 3. Scotrail HST 4. LNER Class 91 5...

www.railforums.co.uk

However, that is for officially supplied or very reliable diagram information or workings which are frequently requested.

We are talking here about good estimates of diagrams for a whole fleet prepared from publicly available sources - for example this for TfL Rail Class 345s on the west side of London (which will need updating for the service from early January when the daytime services appear to no longer run to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5)

"West Side of London" Class 345s (Monday to Friday)
5P02 0512 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Maidenhead
9P02 0516 Maidenhead to London Paddington
9R12 0613 London Paddington to Reading
9P20 0722 Reading to London Paddington
9R30 0828 London Paddington to Reading
5N04 0933 Reading to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs

5P94 1605 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Reading
9P94 1633 Reading to London Paddington
9R04 1743 London Paddington to Reading
9P12 1852 Reading to London Paddington
5Y26 1958 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot


5P04 0533 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Maidenhead
9P04 0536 Maidenhead to London Paddington
9R14 0628 London Paddington to Reading
9P22 0734 Reading to London Paddington
9R32 0843 London Paddington to Reading
9P40 0952 Reading to London Paddington
5Y23 1058 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot

5R92 1552 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9R92 1613 London Paddington to Reading
9P00 1722 Reading to London Paddington
9R10 1828 London Paddington to Reading
5N08 1941 Reading to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs


5P06 0539 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Maidenhead
9P06 0545 Maidenhead to London Paddington
9R16 0643 London Paddington to Reading
9P24 0752 Reading to London Paddington
9N34 0858 London Paddington to Maidenhead
5N02 0946 Maidenhead to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs

5P90 1610 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Maidenhead
9P90 1615 Maidenhead to London Paddington
9R00 1713 London Paddington to Reading
9P08 1822 Reading to London Paddington
5Y25 1928 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot


5P08 0522 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Reading
9P08 0551 Reading to London Paddington
9R18 0658 London Paddington to Reading
9P26 0805 Reading to London Paddington
9R36 0914 London Paddington to Reading
9P44 1022 Reading to London Paddington
5Y24 1125 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot

5R96 1620 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9R96 1645 London Paddington to Reading
9P04 1752 Reading to London Paddington
9N14 1858 London Paddington to Maidenhead
5N06 1943 Maidenhead to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs


5P10 0527 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Reading
9P10 0603 Reading to London Paddington
9R20 0713 London Paddington to Reading
9P28 0822 Reading to London Paddington
5Y21 0928 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot

5R52 1050 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9R52 1113 London Paddington to Reading
9P60 1222 Reading to London Paddington
9R72 1343 London Paddington to Reading
9P80 1452 Reading to London Paddington
9R90 1558 London Paddington to Reading
9P98 1703 Reading to London Paddington
9R08 1813 London Paddington to Reading
9P16 1922 Reading to London Paddington
9R28 2043 London Paddington to Reading
9P36 2152 Reading to London Paddington
9N48 2313 London Paddington to Maidenhead
5N16 0008 Maidenhead to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs


5R04 0450 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9R04 0513 London Paddington to Reading
9P12 0622 Reading to London Paddington
9R22 0728 London Paddington to Reading
9P30 0835 Reading to London Paddington
9R40 0943 London Paddington to Reading
9P48 1052 Reading to London Paddington
9R60 1213 London Paddington to Reading
9P68 1322 Reading to London Paddington
9R80 1443 London Paddington to Reading
9P88 1552 Reading to London Paddington
9R98 1658 London Paddington to Reading
9P06 1805 Reading to London Paddington
9R16 1913 London Paddington to Reading
9P24 2022 Reading to London Paddington
9R36 2143 London Paddington to Reading
9P44 2252 Reading to London Paddington
5Y30 0015 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot


5P14 0640 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Maidenhead
9P14 0645 Maidenhead to London Paddington
9R24 0743 London Paddington to Reading
9P32 0852 Reading to London Paddington
5Y22 0958 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot

5R56 1120 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9R56 1143 London Paddington to Reading
9P64 1252 Reading to London Paddington
9R76 1413 London Paddington to Reading
9P84 1522 Reading to London Paddington
9R94 1628 London Paddington to Reading
9P02 1734 Reading to London Paddington
9R12 1844 London Paddington to Reading
9P20 1952 Reading to London Paddington
9R32 2113 London Paddington to Reading
9P40 2222 Reading to London Paddington
9N52 2343 London Paddington to Maidenhead
5N18 0025 Maidenhead to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs


5R08 0514 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9R08 0543 London Paddington to Reading
9P16 0652 Reading to London Paddington
9R26 0758 London Paddington to Reading
9P34 0903 Reading to London Paddington
9R44 1013 London Paddington to Reading
9P52 1119 Reading to London Paddington
9R64 1243 London Paddington to Reading
9P72 1352 Reading to London Paddington
9R84 1513 London Paddington to Reading
9P92 1622 Reading to London Paddington
9R02 1729 London Paddington to Reading
9P10 1833 Reading to London Paddington
9R20 1943 London Paddington to Reading
9P28 2052 Reading to London Paddington
9R40 2213 London Paddington to Reading
5N12 2316 Reading to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs


5R10 0538 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9R10 0558 London Paddington to Reading
9P18 0705 Reading to London Paddington
9R28 0813 London Paddington to Reading
9P36 0922 Reading to London Paddington
9R48 1043 London Paddington to Reading
9P56 1152 Reading to London Paddington
9R68 1313 London Paddington to Reading
9P76 1422 Reading to London Paddington
9R88 1543 London Paddington to Reading
9P96 1652 Reading to London Paddington
9R06 1758 London Paddington to Reading
9P14 1904 Reading to London Paddington
9R24 2013 London Paddington to Reading
9P32 2122 Reading to London Paddington
9R44 2243 London Paddington to Reading
5N14 2348 Reading to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs


5G70 0549 Old Oak Depot to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs
5G71 1046 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Old Oak Depot
5G72 1630 Old Oak Depot to Portobello Jn (London)
5G73 1921 Portobello Jn (London) to Old Oak Depot


5G74 0823 Old Oak Depot to Reading
5G75 1012 Reading to Old Oak Common Engine Sdg
5G76 1109 Old Oak Common Engine Sdg to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs
5G77 1301 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Old Oak Common Engine Sdg
5G78 1430 Old Oak Common Engine Sdg to Reading
5G79 1555 Reading to Old Oak Depot


5T01 0402 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9T01 0442 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P01 0522 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T11 0602 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P13 0652 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T23 0732 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P25 0822 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T35 0902 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P37 0952 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T47 1032 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P49 1122 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T59 1202 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P61 1252 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T71 1332 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P73 1422 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T83 1502 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P85 1552 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T95 1632 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P97 1722 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T07 1802 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P09 1852 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T19 1932 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P21 2022 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T31 2102 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P33 2152 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T43 2232 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P45 2322 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
5Y29 0003 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot


5T03 0423 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9T03 0502 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P05 0552 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T15 0632 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P17 0722 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T27 0802 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P29 0852 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T39 0932 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P41 1022 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T51 1102 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P53 1152 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T63 1232 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P65 1322 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T75 1402 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P77 1452 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T87 1532 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P89 1622 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T99 1702 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P01 1752 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T11 1832 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P13 1922 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T23 2002 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P25 2052 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T35 2132 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P37 2222 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T47 2302 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P51 0007 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
5Y33 0048 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot


5T05 0455 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9T05 0517 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P03 0548 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T13 0618 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P11 0648 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T21 0718 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P19 0748 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T29 0818 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P27 0848 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T37 0918 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P35 0948 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T45 1018 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P43 1048 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T53 1118 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P51 1148 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T61 1218 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P59 1248 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T69 1318 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P67 1348 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T77 1418 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P75 1448 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T85 1518 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P83 1548 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T93 1618 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P91 1648 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T01 1718 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P99 1748 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T09 1818 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P07 1848 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T17 1918 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P15 1948 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T25 2018 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P23 2048 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T33 2118 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P31 2148 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T41 2218 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P39 2247 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T49 2318 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P47 2348 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
5Y31 0020 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot


5T07 0509 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9T07 0532 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P09 0622 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T19 0702 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P21 0752 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T31 0832 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P33 0922 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T43 1002 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P45 1052 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T55 1132 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P57 1222 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T67 1302 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P69 1352 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T79 1432 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P81 1522 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T91 1602 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P93 1652 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T03 1732 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P05 1822 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T15 1902 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P17 1952 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T27 2032 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P29 2122 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
9T39 2202 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5
9P41 2252 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington
5Y27 2332 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot


5T09 0530 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
9T09 0548 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P07 0618 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T17 0648 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P15 0718 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T25 0748 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P23 0818 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T33 0848 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P31 0918 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T41 0948 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P39 1018 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T49 1048 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P47 1118 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T57 1148 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P55 1218 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T65 1248 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P63 1318 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T73 1348 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P71 1418 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T81 1448 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P79 1518 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T89 1548 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P87 1618 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T97 1648 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P95 1718 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T05 1748 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P03 1818 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T13 1848 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P11 1918 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T21 1948 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P19 2018 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T29 2048 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P27 2118 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T37 2148 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P35 2218 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
9T45 2248 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington
9P43 2318 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
5Y28 2348 London Paddington to Old Oak Depot


5G50 1014 Old Oak Depot to Reading
5G51 1133 Reading to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs
5G52 1305 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Reading Sig. T1732
5G53 1358 Reading Sig. T1732 to Old Oak Depot

5G54 2013 Old Oak Depot to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs
5G55 2212 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Old Oak Depot


5G56 1045 Old Oak Depot to Reading Sig. T1732
5G57 1225 Reading Sig. T1732 to Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs
5G58 1402 Maidenhead Carriage Sdgs to Reading
5G59 1433 Reading to Old Oak Depot

5G60 2030 Old Oak Depot to Maidenhead Reversing Sdgs
5G61 2140 Maidenhead Reversing Sdgs to Old Oak Depot

 

[FLIRTfan18]

I think it's a very good idea but I imagine now might not be the best time to do it, as there isn't really a reliable base timetable as it changes so much due to Covid.

I see your point. Locally to me the base timetable has remained pretty much the same, with just some services removed, but elsewhere I can see why it would be more complicated. Obviously it all needing a huge overhaul after every timetable change would be time consuming, I suppose that really depends on how much actually changes each time. But obviously once it's been done the work would be smaller because in principle a lot tends to stay the same