Curfews - understanding why they are being used

[Feuillesmortes]

Both Austria and France have had curfews, but why?

If there are 100 people who are going to go for a walk in a certain area of a town each day, why not let them spread out the time they do that across 24 hours? Those people with antisocial dogs especially will welcome the opportunity to go out at quiet times.

By compacting those walks into a shorter period, the number of potential interactions is increased.

 

[adc82140]

Are any curfews actually curfews, or are they just enforced closures of businesses?

 

[Yew]

Are any curfews actually curfews, or are they just enforced closures of businesses?

Does it matter, neither of them have been proven to have any effect on the Virus...

 

[adc82140]

It does really. The acceptance of the term curfew in a Western democratic country is seriously concerning. The fact that the population doesn't seem to be aghast at the concept is a worry.

 

[DustyBin]

It does really. The acceptance of the term curfew in a Western democratic country is seriously concerning. The fact that the population doesn't seem to be aghast at the concept is a worry.

I think (too) many people are either terrified and will accept curfews to keep them alive (as they see it), or have completely fallen for the ‘blame the people not following the rules’ line and aren’t able to see the real danger of what is happening. I’m honestly shocked at how easily we as a population can be manipulated en masse, I probably shouldn’t be but I really am!

 

[HSTEd]

And this is how China conquered the west without firing a single shot.

A bunch of self absorbed old people decided buying a fraction of their friends a few more years of life was worth more than freedoms that took centuries to amass.

Democracy dies to the sound of the terrified squeals of the baby boomers.
All too happy to sacrifice the young and poor to 'the greater good' but not willing to make that safrifife themselves

 

[MikeWM]

I think (too) many people are either terrified and will accept curfews to keep them alive (as they see it), or have completely fallen for the ‘blame the people not following the rules’ line and aren’t able to see the real danger of what is happening. I’m honestly shocked at how easily we as a population can be manipulated en masse, I probably shouldn’t be but I really am!

It explains a lot of history, unfortunately. I always assumed that at the least you needed a charismatic leader playing on the grievances of the population to get this level of buy-in, but it turns out to be a lot easier than that.

Of all the things we've learnt this year, this is the most terrifying.

 

[Yew]

And this is how China conquered the west without firing a single shot.

A bunch of self absorbed old people decided buying a fraction of their friends a few more years of life was worth more than freedoms that took centuries to amass.

Democracy dies to the sound of the terrified squeals of the baby boomers.
All too happy to sacrifice the young and poor to 'the greater good' but not willing to make that safrifife themselves

Add in a few cries of "granny killer" or suggest that not shutting down society in a questionably effective move to 'beat' a virus is somehow the same as building extermination camps.

 

[adc82140]

Let me be clear. I've had Covid. I've been the sickest I have ever been. At one point I was checking all my affairs were in order. I'm now in the midst of post viral fatigue (I refuse to call it long covid).

But still I find the scariest thing to be the hysteria the our collective governments and media have descended into. They claim to be "following the science" where we all know that "the science" is a concept that doesn't exist. It's the collective opinions of academics, many of whom are on the Spectrum, and have no idea of what forms a cohesive society.

By all means educate the public. Scare them if you like, but ultimately we as individuals are responsible for our own health. Talk of curfews and lockdowns has no place in a Western democracy.

 

[MikeWM]

By all means educate the public. Scare them if you like, but ultimately we as individuals are responsible for our own health. Talk of curfews and lockdowns has no place in a Western democracy.

Spot on.

One of my earliest posts here on this subject (in May, I think) was that I didn't believe it ought to be up to Governments to try to micro-manage the entire population - with all the apparatus of the state to enforce the micro-management - in order to attempt to prevent me catching a virus. Even if were possible to do so - and I think the evidence so far shows not - then they absolutely ought not to be trying it.

By all means, if the Goverment absolutely feel the need to do *something*, then deliver consistent basic public health information ('stay at home if you feel ill' level). But that's it.

Nothing that has happened in the last 6 months has done anything but cement that view.

 

[Skimpot flyer]

I think (too) many people are either terrified and will accept curfews to keep them alive (as they see it), or have completely fallen for the ‘blame the people not following the rules’ line and aren’t able to see the real danger of what is happening. I’m honestly shocked at how easily we as a population can be manipulated en masse, I probably shouldn’t be but I really am!

This sums up the situation quite well, I think


(image shows a masked couple of 2020 watching footage of people saluting in Nazi Germany asking ‘How could they all comply?’
‘We would never do that
‘They must have been brainwashed’)

 

[Bikeman78]

Let me be clear. I've had Covid. I've been the sickest I have ever been. At one point I was checking all my affairs were in order. I'm now in the midst of post viral fatigue (I refuse to call it long covid).

What symptoms did you have? I don't get ill often but I've had bugs that have completely drained me. Alternately shivering and sweating and achy joints that prevented me from sleeping. Is Covid similar, or worse, in your experience?

 

[adc82140]

What symptoms did you have? I don't get ill often but I've had bugs that have completely drained me. Alternately shivering and sweating and achy joints that prevented me from sleeping. Is Covid similar, or worse, in your experience?

The symptoms were:

Nausea
Loss of appetite
Shivering
Unbelievable tiredness and lethargy
Loss of smell (eventually)
Acute shortness of breath (very scary)
No interest or enthusiasm for doing anything.

I never registered a fever, nor did I have a cough.

However the symptoms could come and go at the drop of a hat. That's what sets it apart from normal flu etc. I could be fine one minute, plotting my return to work, and be back in bed the next wondering if it would ever all end.

 

[Domh245]

The symptoms were:

Nausea
Loss of appetite
Shivering
Unbelievable tiredness and lethargy
Loss of smell (eventually)
Acute shortness of breath (very scary)
No interest or enthusiasm for doing anything.

I never registered a fever, nor did I have a cough.

However the symptoms could come and go at the drop of a hat. That's what sets it apart from normal flu etc. I could be fine one minute, plotting my return to work, and be back in bed the next wondering if it would ever all end.

Some of those symptoms are quite interesting, particularly the appetite and lack of enthusiasm ones - I haven't seen those suggested as symptoms of covid before, they're usually associated with depression and other mental health issues. Perhaps I've just had "long covid" all year

 

[Bikeman78]

The symptoms were:

Nausea
Loss of appetite
Shivering
Unbelievable tiredness and lethargy
Loss of smell (eventually)
Acute shortness of breath (very scary)
No interest or enthusiasm for doing anything.

I never registered a fever, nor did I have a cough.

However the symptoms could come and go at the drop of a hat. That's what sets it apart from normal flu etc. I could be fine one minute, plotting my return to work, and be back in bed the next wondering if it would ever all end.

I can relate to a lot of that but, as you say, the shortness of breath does sound scary. I can't recall ever having that. I'm glad you are feeling better.

 

[adc82140]

Some of those symptoms are quite interesting, particularly the appetite and lack of enthusiasm ones - I haven't seen those suggested as symptoms of covid before, they're usually associated with depression and other mental health issues. Perhaps I've just had "long covid" all year

Prior to testing positive I had put it all down to workplace burnout.

Add to my other symptoms blocked sinuses. That really put me off the trail. Everywhere I read it said that if you had a stuffed up nose it was likely to be a cold, and not Covid.

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I can relate to a lot of that but, as you say, the shortness of breath does sound scary. I can't recall ever having that. I'm glad you are feeling better.

I'd say I'm 90% recovered. The thing at the moment is that I need 10 or 11 hours sleep a night. I'm normally a confirmed 7 and a half hours maximum. Going back to work could be a challenge.

 

[BJames]

Does it matter, neither of them have been proven to have any effect on the Virus...

Quite, and let's hope the curfew legal challenge (set for 3rd December in court) cements this fact. Or the government just stops imposing rules for the sake of it. From a transmission point of view curfews make it significantly worse - crowding public transport at 10pm and encouraging people to go home from an official venue to houses and parties, or even just street drinking.

 

[yorkie]

Both Austria and France have had curfews, but why?

If there are 100 people who are going to go for a walk in a certain area of a town each day, why not let them spread out the time they do that across 24 hours? Those people with antisocial dogs especially will welcome the opportunity to go out at quiet times.

By compacting those walks into a shorter period, the number of potential interactions is increased.

Quite. The current restrictions are extremely concerning in my opinion; fortunately we are not that bad in the UK, but that's only because people just wouldn't comply.

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What symptoms did you have? I don't get ill often but I've had bugs that have completely drained me. Alternately shivering and sweating and achy joints that prevented me from sleeping. Is Covid similar, or worse, in your experience?

There is a thread for this at https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/have-you-had-the-virus.204490/page-3#post-4628288