221101 Voyager
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Right, ok. So at least it's possible to get a shot of it either way.
Will you be at Cricklewood for todays move? If so, I'll see you there!
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Will you be at Cricklewood for todays move? If so, I'll see you there!
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Should be mate, and yeah definitely!Right, ok. So at least it's possible to get a shot of it either way.
Will you be at Cricklewood for todays move? If so, I'll see you there!
221101 Voyager
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I shall arrive there at 14:17. I'll be on P1 ready for the 50s+360.
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Todays move is comprised of 50007 and 50049 with 360121. It has already left Ilford E.M.U.D and is currently near Stratford.
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221101 Voyager
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Blimey that’s early, I hope I don’t miss it!Todays move is comprised of 50007 and 50049 with 360121. It has already left Ilford E.M.U.D and is currently near Stratford.
Realtime Trains - 5Q60 1402 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Cricklewood U.G.L.
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Thanks for the details of the consist.
Yep ire making an assumption that 12 car units will be operating...
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It’s in the franchise spec - 8 cars off peak and 12 cars peak...
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Once these have been changed to 2+2 seating, what will be the new capacity.
What is the current capacity of the 222s they will be replacing?
What is the current capacity of the 222s they will be replacing?
Specs can change... particularly when passenger numbers have reduced significantly.
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Even so 12 cars will be needed for social distancing regardless of passenger numbers. Not to mention that things will eventually return to normal over the years...
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I guess each of these units that have moved to Cricklewood are now officially a part of the EMR fleet?
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Where will they go for work? I’m really behind on this thread I only found out about these 360’s 10 mins ago!
From the emergency measures agreement:
360: 203 Standard + 23 first
222(4): 150+33 (pre refurbishment*) going to 171+22
222(5): 196+49 going to 218+33
*Can't see any other reference to it in the EMA, and we still have no visibility on the original agreement, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was canned amidst the current climate. The 222s as they are will manage adequately until the 810s start coming online
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decent increase in capacity, especially if running in 12 car.
Nothing has been said at the moment in terms of repainting/refurbishment locations.
Updated 360 list with the three moves that have happened this week. I am presuming all three have had the GA branding removed:
Class 360 (only showing units which have 110mph modifications)
360102 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360103 - Blue with White stripe (at Cricklewood)
360104 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360105 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360106 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360107 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360108 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360109 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360110 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360111 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360112 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360113 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360114 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360115 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (at Northampton)
360116 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360118 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360119 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360120 - Blue with White stripe (at Cricklewood)
360121 - Blue with White stripe (at Cricklewood)
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Great response thanks so much!
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No more this week - plan is for some to move to Ferme Park, then on Monday one to Cricklewood and Tuesday two to Cricklewood in two seperate trips
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I don't sign the midland main line anymore but when I did, nobody seemed to be able to point out where the 100mph restriction for electric traction south of Bedford was published. It's certainly not in the sectional appendix. Can anyone point it out?
It wouldn’t have been required back then as the only electric traction was 100mph max. New signage is going up shortly on approach to Bedford from the North, so would expect it to be appear in publications soon if it isn’t already in there (I haven’t checked myself).
221101 Voyager
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Didn't 387s do 110 on the MML when with Thameslink on an express service?
If they did then the 100 "limit" shouldn't be an issue for the 360 if a 387 has potentially done it before?
221101 Voyager
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Must have imagined it then!
The 360's will do 110 south of Bedford by 2023 after an upgrade has been done on the OHLE, is that still the case?
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Yes, AIUI that still stands.Must have imagined it then!
The 360's will do 110 south of Bedford by 2023 after an upgrade has been done on the OHLE, is that still the case?
The 387s were brought in as a stopgap (the 700s were late), and like the 377/5s & 377/2s that also ran for FCC, they ran 12-car formations at 100mph.
The 319s were restricted to 8-car formations at 100mph, as not all of them had Brecknell Willis high-speed pans (some still had the older Stone Faiveley AMBR pans); as a result, 12-car 319 formations had a blanket 75mph restriction. That was the prior multiple pan restriction for the MML; since the 700s took over, 3-pan formations have gone from the route.
The 360s' arrival will reintroduce 3-pan trains to the MML, but all newer UK stock has been fitted with capable pans (AIUI all are Brecknell Willis).
For the 387s to have run at 110 on the MML, and for the 360s to be running as such, these OLE upgrades are necessary.
221101 Voyager
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Thanks for the info on that. Yes all 360's have Brecknell Willis fitted.
Must have imagined it then!
The 360's will do 110 south of Bedford by 2023 after an upgrade has been done on the OHLE, is that still the case?
Well I wouldn’t hang your hat on 2023, but when the work is done, yes they can do 110.
221101 Voyager
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Saying that the 360's will be better than 222's at 100 or 110 as at least in a 360 you don't have the awful engine vibrations and rattle from the interior, plus a desiro will accelerate quicker won't it?
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I had 117 in service today with 105 Confirmed to be still at GA. I see it wasn’t on your list.
The list only shows units that have had the 110 mods, which 117 hasn't had yet
I am only showing units that have the 110mph modifications. 360101 and 117 are yet to go to Northampton for the mods which are the last two units.
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