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2020 US Presidential Election

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Fantastic. Fan-bloody-tastic.

No concession will be forthcoming from the Trump camp as expected. Now we're into phase three of this election - activate the lawyers.
 
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Two factors in play.

1 - Trump persuaded the bulk of his supporters to physically go to the polling booth - to ignore Covid concerns (see his rallies) and go physically stand in line and vote. His criticism of mail-in voting has been long standing. Meanwhile, Dems voted early to both to avoid health risks and avoid potential postal hold-ups which were warned about for some time. Biden encouraged it.

2 - Most metro areas are traditionally Democrat. Therefore their numbers are going naturally to be higher.
I have a memory (around August) of some republicans asking voters to vote democrat as they fear that another 4 years would damage their long-term election prospects. They must be getting ready to distance themselves from the whole Trump presidency now there is nothing to gain by even mentioning it.
 

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I have a memory (around August) of some republicans asking voters to vote democrat as they fear that another 4 years would damage their long-term election prospects. They must be getting ready to distance themselves from the whole Trump presidency now there is nothing to gain by even mentioning it.

Other than the usual dissenters such as Romney and lately Christie, it’s astonishing how silent they all are, as Trump continues to disgrace himself, them and their party. Given that there is a chance that the Dems may still flip control of the Senate in the run-off scenario in Georgia plus the Vice Presidential tie break vote, how does this bode for Mitch McConnell’s current stranglehold over proceedings and presumably his strength as the voice of the party?
 

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I understand that outgoint presidents have a right to continue to recieve secret service security briefings after leaving office. Most choose not to exercise this right, but I fear the carnage if Trump does...

The US Secret Service isn’t an intelligence agency, it is effectively the Presidents’s bodyguard detail (and that for other senior figures, and some critical infrastructure).

The President does get a daily intelligence briefing, (the President’ Daily Brief) courtesy of the Director of National Intelligence. This is given to the President, a select few officials, and the President elect. I’m not sure ex Presidents can get it. Ex Presidents can get briefed on certain matters, but I’d be surprised if it was the whole daily brief.

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One interesting stat I’ve just found - the results in D.C., where (of course) many of the electorate will work for Federal Govt, or at least be able to see it at work on a daily basis.

Biden won with 93%
 
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One interesting stat I’ve just found - the results in D.C., where (of course) many of the electorate will work for Federal Govt, or at least be able to see it at work on a daily basis.

Biden won with 93%
Clinton only polled 90.5% in 2016, but with Trump at 4.1% there was presumably a third candidate ... actually there was 2.10% to write-in, 1.58% to Libertarian and 1.37% to Green according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_the_District_of_Columbia). I don't see any other candidates than the main two this time.
EDIT - the similar source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_the_District_of_Columbia) lists six candidates this time (plus write-in option), so I'm wrong in saying there weren't other candidates in 2020 for sure.
 

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One interesting stat I’ve just found - the results in D.C., where (of course) many of the electorate will work for Federal Govt, or at least be able to see it at work on a daily basis.

Biden won with 93%

DC has almost always had very high democrat leanings - highest R votes I can find in 'recent' years is 9.34% for Dole and Dubya in 96 and 04. Bush Senior got 14% in 88
 

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Not the fastest at counting are they? Maybe they need to bring the counters who do the Sunderland count over?
 

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I am actually embarrassed at how a technological advanced nation such as the USA cant sort out the election process and get it better.
 

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I notice another statement from the Trump campaign has been released fairly recently. This bit in particular grabbed my attention.

"Biden is relying on these states for his phony claim on the White House, but once the election is final, President Trump will be re-elected,”


Do they actually broadcast/release these statements with a straight face?
 

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Its not to do with how fast they count, its when they are legally allowed to start counting that varies by state,
 

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I am actually embarrassed at how a technological advanced nation such as the USA cant sort out the election process and get it better.

The US voted Trump in four years ago, that is way more embarrassing than the voting systems....
 

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The US voted Trump in four years ago, that is way more embarrassing than the voting systems....

What's more embarrassing is that in spite of everything he's said, everything he's done to the country, everything he's -failed- to do, he's still gained 7 million more votes than 2016.
 

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It seems irrational to have state law governing a federal election
Totally rational - it's all about a federation of states who send delegates to choose the president - totally logical that those states decide how their delegates are elected. Hard for us to understand as UK has not had any power at the equivalent (ie county) levels since the end of baronial power structures in the middle ages I guess.
And then of course our head of state is hereditary, and our PM juts chosen by what are effectively their own mates or club in parliament.
Basically fundamentally different.
I'm not even sure there is such a thing as a 'Federal Election' now I think about it, tho I am open to correction!

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Apols to take this thread off topic :lol: but I guess a Biden presidency is good news for Amtrak as I believe he is a big supporter of the passenger rail system in the US?

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Its not to do with how fast they count, its when they are legally allowed to start counting that varies by state,
Yes, in UK not counting starts before close of Polls, so if you had these levels of votes volumes wise the results would not be known for some time.

What is remarkable to me is how quickly they manage to count it - not how slow.
 

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Totally rational - it's all about a federation of states who send delegates to choose the president - totally logical that those states decide how their delegates are elected. Hard for us to understand as UK has not had any power at the equivalent (ie county) levels since the end of baronial power structures in the middle ages I guess.
And then of course our head of state is hereditary, and our PM juts chosen by what are effectively their own mates or club in parliament.
Basically fundamentally different.
I'm not even sure there is such a thing as a 'Federal Election' now I think about it, tho I am open to correction!
The writers of the Consitution mostly had British ancestry so as I understand it they tended to follow British practice of the time unless there was a good reason to disagree. One of those disagreements was obviously the desire to be a republic not a monarchy, so they had to come up with a way of electing their monarch replacement. But what they've ended up with is in some ways just a more extreme version of the British voting system, with fewer "constituencies" for Congress and more voters in each and in the case of the electoral college 50 "constituencies" of wildly varying sizes - which of course Britain also had at the time with rotten and pocket boroughs. But even today some of the problems with the US system are also visible in Britain's FPTP system. In particular the system only really works for two parties, which are essentially hardwired into the American system but a bit looser here, and can lead to results that don't reflect the popular vote.
 

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Apols to take this thread off topic :lol: but I guess a Biden presidency is good news for Amtrak as I believe he is a big supporter of the passenger rail system in the US?

Yes he is, he was a frequent user of Amtrak in his earlier Senate days when he commuted to and from Congress by train.

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The writers of the Consitution mostly had British ancestry so as I understand it they tended to follow British practice of the time unless there was a good reason to disagree. One of those disagreements was obviously the desire to be a republic not a monarchy, so they had to come up with a way of electing their monarch replacement. But what they've ended up with is in some ways just a more extreme version of the British voting system, with fewer "constituencies" for Congress and more voters in each and in the case of the electoral college 50 "constituencies" of wildly varying sizes - which of course Britain also had at the time with rotten and pocket boroughs. But even today some of the problems with the US system are also visible in Britain's FPTP system. In particular the system only really works for two parties, which are essentially hardwired into the American system but a bit looser here, and can lead to results that don't reflect the popular vote.

What amazes me is how close they got to abolishing the damn' thing in 1970. Nixon supported abolishing it, a Gallop poll of the time showed 80% of Americans supported abolishing it, the House even voted overwhelmingly to abolish it but it came FIVE votes shy in the Senate thanks to manoeuvering by Dixiecrats such as Strom Thurmond.
 

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The writers of the Consitution mostly had British ancestry so as I understand it they tended to follow British practice of the time unless there was a good reason to disagree. One of those disagreements was obviously the desire to be a republic not a monarchy, so they had to come up with a way of electing their monarch replacement. But what they've ended up with is in some ways just a more extreme version of the British voting system, with fewer "constituencies" for Congress and more voters in each and in the case of the electoral college 50 "constituencies" of wildly varying sizes - which of course Britain also had at the time with rotten and pocket boroughs. But even today some of the problems with the US system are also visible in Britain's FPTP system. In particular the system only really works for two parties, which are essentially hardwired into the American system but a bit looser here, and can lead to results that don't reflect the popular vote.
Thanks - interesting points to think about. Of course when they did it (1770s? ) the US was small with many fewer states that were much smaller with lower populations.
 

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What's more embarrassing is that in spite of everything he's said, everything he's done to the country, everything he's -failed- to do, he's still gained 7 million more votes than 2016.
They have history, though, they voted for Dubya. Twice.
 

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I don't think that's exactly comparable to Trump. No one really compares to Trump.
Sometimes Trump slightly reminds me of one of those dreadful tone deaf singers on X Factor that doesn’t get past the first audition (although unfortunately he did), who’s mother has told them their whole life that they’ll be a pop star one day.
Only in this case Trump is the mother, and the singer and just over half of the country is his Simon Cowell.
 

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Fair. Just pointing out they have a history of making dumb decisions in elections.

2000 was arguably the fault of the electoral system given Gore won the popular vote.

Sometimes Trump slightly reminds me of one of those dreadful tone deaf singers on X Factor that doesn’t get past the first audition (although unfortunately he did), who’s mother has told them their whole life that they’ll be a pop star one day.
Only in this case Trump is the mother, and the singer and just over half of the country is his Simon Cowell.

I like the analogy! ;)
 

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2000 was arguably the fault of the electoral system given Gore won the popular vote.
The same could be said of 2016 - didn't Clinton win the popular vote?

I do recall at the time, I think it was Ian Hislop who said they had a choice of the worst president ever, or one who was worse.
 

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The same could be said of 2016 - didn't Clinton win the popular vote?

I do recall at the time, I think it was Ian Hislop who said they had a choice of the worst president ever, or one who was worse.

Fair point
 

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I'm loving the CNN coverage, it makes the likes of the BBC look like something done for a school 6th form project.
 

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I'm loving the CNN coverage, it makes the likes of the BBC look like something done for a school 6th form project.

It's good isn't it? CNN promoting opinion over news before the election meant I avoided them but their coverage of the polling itself and their opinions of the giant man baby after his obvious loss is great to watch. And John King is doing great stuff at the magic wall!

I don't know if Rick Santorum gets a kick of being a human piñata as the only Republican on their panels but he's sticking with it. Actually pretty admirable.
 

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Apols to take this thread off topic :lol: but I guess a Biden presidency is good news for Amtrak as I believe he is a big supporter of the passenger rail system in the US?

It may even be possible to extend the MARTA from Northern Suburbs of Atlanta through Dalton to Chattanooga. That would be cool.
 
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