HST coach disposals

[DBS92042]

Hi Guys I know this forum is mainly for HST Coaches --- but does anyone know what has to 43018 is it still at Haymarket or has it gone for scrap, I know it's cab was used in the repairs to 43036
Peter.

43018 arrived at Crewe Heritage Centre around 13:30 today. Apparently it's been donated by Angel Trains

 

[43 302]

43018 arrived at Crewe Heritage Centre around 13:30 today. Apparently it's been donated by Angel Trains

What's left of it anyway.

 

[DBS92042]

What's left of it anyway.

Yes it appears to be missing a fair few parts but it does still have a cab

 

[DB]

Yes it appears to be missing a fair few parts but it does still have a cab

Have to wonder why that one, given how heavily stripped it appears to be from the photo I've seen. It must surely be likely that they would be able to source a more complete one within the next year or so, given that there are already a number stored, and more to go off-lease once EMR dispense with theirs. It's difficult to see that they will find a user for most of those.

 

[cole_peter5@]

Thank you guys for the information regarding 43018 - I thought it cab was used to repair 43036 that hit a tree ...... Anyway thanks again.

 

[fgwrich]

What has to be remembered, is that Crewe may not want a running Power Car and instead may be happy with something that is effectively “Plinthed”. Having seen inside it, they will indeed have to spend some money putting the missing cab parts back in, but this may allow them to restore it back to it's original appearance at the same time. It also need to be remembered that this is free-bee from Angel Trains. There are indeed a number in storage, but Angel will charge for those. Porterbrook seem to be finding uses for their ex EMR fleet, so the chances of taking one of those may well be limited.

 

[DB]

What has to be remembered, is that Crewe may not want a running Power Car and instead may be happy with something that is effectively “Plinthed”. Having seen inside it, they will indeed have to spend some money putting the missing cab parts back in, but this may allow them to restore it back to it's original appearance at the same time. It also need to be remembered that this is free-bee from Angel Trains. There are indeed a number in storage, but Angel will charge for those. Porterbrook seem to be finding uses for their ex EMR fleet, so the chances of taking one of those may well be limited.

I guess you are probably right - perhaps some sort of exhibition space inside the main part of the bodyshell?

Porterbrook have sold/leased/donated a number of the VP185 engined power cars, but they still have all the MTU-fitted ones, ex-GWR and LNER, plus the ex-LNER ones currently with EMR to follow in due course.

 

[fgwrich]

I guess you are probably right - perhaps some sort of exhibition space inside the main part of the bodyshell?

Porterbrook have sold/leased/donated a number of the VP185 engined power cars, but they still have all the MTU-fitted ones, ex-GWR and LNER, plus the ex-LNER ones currently with EMR to follow in due course.

Possibly so, Crewe Heritage Centre have confirmed it is for cosmetic restoration only.

 

[DB]

Following on from 43018, is it known whether Scotrail will be getting another one to strip for parts? There was mention of 43185 for this a while back, but so far as I know that's still at Ely.

 

[43 302]

Following on from 43018, is it known whether Scotrail will be getting another one to strip for parts? There was mention of 43185 for this a while back, but so far as I know that's still at Ely.

Should be going up to HA in November.

 

[cole_peter5@]

Hi Guys ----- Could tell me if Sim at Newport had a train of HST Coaches today 23/10 - and has anyone got the details ......... Thanks Peter.

 

[heedfan]

Hi Guys ----- Could tell me if Sim at Newport had a train of HST Coaches today 23/10 - and has anyone got the details ......... Thanks Peter.

41084, 42327, 42112, 42113, 44070, currently on its way to Newport Sims from Neville Hill.

 

[cole_peter5@]

Thanks very much for the info .... Peter

 

[Merle Haggard]

Regarding the Sims/leasing company embargo on sales, I have not yet been able to confirm with my contact that it was indeed Eversholt, but another source has suggested a possible reason - traceablility.
Although this wasn't elaborated, I guess that there was a possibility that spares, if removed and sold at a breaker's yard, might find their way back onto vehicles running on the network, though I'm not sure whether the objection is that the market price would be undercut or un-certified parts would be in use. Preventing enthusiasts buying momentos is not the primary aim, but 'collateral damage'.

 

[43096]

Regarding the Sims/leasing company embargo on sales, I have not yet been able to confirm with my contact that it was indeed Eversholt, but another source has suggested a possible reason - traceablility.
Although this wasn't elaborated, I guess that there was a possibility that spares, if removed and sold at a breaker's yard, might find their way back onto vehicles running on the network, though I'm not sure whether the objection is that the market price would be undercut or un-certified parts would be in use. Preventing enthusiasts buying momentos is not the primary aim, but 'collateral damage'.

If it was in connection with the 315 disposals, they are all Eversholt owned.

 

[Merle Haggard]

If it was in connection with the 315 disposals, they are all Eversholt owned.

Thanks for the confirmation. I thought that's what my colleague had said, but hadn't paid 100% attention and didn't want to possibly mislead.

 

[apinnard]

I thought my colleague said Eversholt but not absolutely sure - it was the leasing company that sold 315s to Sims a few weeks ago

Yep, that’s Eversholt. It’s typical of them tbh. I used to work there. They are excessively risk averse. That response from them is also typical of their marketing woman, Wendy.

 

[tricky18jan]

Seen a video on facebook of an ROG 57 taking an EMR set through Leeds yesterday. No info other than away to get cut up

Anyone able to confirm ?

Rich

 

[43096]

Seen a video on facebook of an ROG 57 taking an EMR set through Leeds yesterday. No info other than away to get cut up

Anyone able to confirm ?

Rich

Post #222 (six above yours) has the details.

 

[tricky18jan]

Thank you!! Just ignore me! I read that post as well!!!! Oops moment! Hahaha

 

[Spaceship323]

43185 moved north on a low loader today, saw it on the M74 this afternoon.

 

[cole_peter5@]

Hi Guys --- 43185 is it moving to Haymarket as a source of spares.
It not going to Scotrail as replace for 43140 - because it would be going to Doncaster for modifications and what ever else they do to them before they get to Scotland Peter

 

[tricky18jan]

Can anyone confirm if a long marston to Newport move happened today ?

 

[43096]

Can anyone confirm if a long marston to Newport move happened today ?

It’s en route currently.

 

[fgwrich]

It’s en route currently.

Do we know if it's ex East Mids, Ex East Coast or Ex GW vehicles in that?

 

[43096]

Do we know if it's ex East Mids, Ex East Coast or Ex GW vehicles in that?

Quoted elsewhere as 41159, 41083, 40708, 42228, 42130, 42322 and 44050.

So ex-EC63/NL59.

 

[fgwrich]

Quoted elsewhere as 41159, 41083, 40708, 42228, 42130, 42322 and 44050.

So ex-EC63/NL59.

Thanks for that! Do you happen to know which HST Mk3s are left in store at LM?

 

[Spaceship323]

Hi Guys --- 43185 is it moving to Haymarket as a source of spares.
It not going to Scotrail as replace for 43140 - because it would be going to Doncaster for modifications and what ever else they do to them before they get to Scotland Peter

The power car modifications were done at Brush in Loughborough, it's the coaches that go to Doncaster. As confirmed to me on another thread, yes 43185 is to be used as a source of parts for the Scotrail HST fleet.

 

[43096]

Thanks for that! Do you happen to know which HST Mk3s are left in store at LM?

I've got the following HST trailers still at Long Marston:
40900/902/904
41189
42094/095/167/176/231/563/565/570/582

 

[St. Paddy]

I've got the following HST trailers still at Long Marston:
40900/902/904
41189
42094/095/167/176/231/563/565/570/582

I have 40807 and 41161 there too. My records might not be up to date though.