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If you were leading the country, what actions would you take regarding COVID just now?

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A bit of brainstorming as I think most of us are extremely frustrated with how the entire UK government (especially the devolved nations) are managing COVID at this point.

What would you do? Another lockdown? Changes in mask legislation? Would you reduce any restrictions? What are your thoughts?
 
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  • Drop mask rules outside medical settings and leave it up to each individual, but replaced with a renewed focus on physical distancing
  • Give financial support to people who need to shield by reason of age of medical conditions
  • Make remote working mandatory for office-based roles/anyone who can reasonable do so until the end of the year
  • Properly fund test and trace
  • Custodial sentences for anyone breaching self-isolation (after positive test or travel from abroad) à la Isle of Man and enforcement and tracking via app à la Taiwan/South Korea
  • Allow sports events to admit spectators in a controlled fashion – currently you can watch a match from the cinema down the road but not in person!
 
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The very first thing I would do is gather all the experts together, and have a frank discussion with them about seeking alternative ways to manage the the consequences of the growing spread. I would explain that the country does not have infinite finances, and that a balance has to be struck which does not involve endless lockdowns. I would also seek to move policy away from suppression towards moving resources to the vulnerable, given that it is probably almost going to be impossible to control a virus that is now so widespread.
 

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I would go down the common sense route. Remove restrictions, allow groups again but not large events (however social distant crowds at sports events, etc. should be fine). Encourage people to practice hygiene, keep up informal social distancing, and work from home if they can. For isolation, pay a proper 'sick' pay to companies to remimburse them, but no more furlough. Drop mandatory masks anywhere, but if people want to wear them that's fine.

Basically, go back to early March.

And increase transparency of the SAGE meetings, and include immunologists and health economists on the committee.
 

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Make provision for large numbers of temporary/semi temporary graves.
 

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First thing for me would be to ditch Whitty & Valance - bring in the likes of Prof. Karol Sikora & Prof. Sunetra Gupta.

Second thing - drop mask requirements, they just don't work in public settings.

Third thing - would still promote some distancing in public (like with Sweden) however I see no reason why a grandmother couldn't give her grandchildren a hug for example.

Fourth thing - open all hospitality venues.

Fifth thing - Mass testing at airports.

Sixth thing - Would only focus on number of deaths as a cause for concern, no need to focus on case numbers.

Seventh thing - Keep self isolation for those infected though ensure sufficient sick pay for those in that situation.
 

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My plan would be the same as that I had in August which I posted here and a few times subsequently, and again below for good measure. Nothing in the interim has persuaded me that this isn't a much better idea than our current approach.

As I pointed out earlier this week, I am also increasingly convinced that the current approach is not only disastrous in all the ways we have discussed many times, but epidemiologically too. Exposing everyone more-or-less equally, and artificially extending the duration of the epidemic, is probably *increasing* the death toll in the vulnerable more than necessary. Look at the number of outbreaks over the last few weeks that are again taking place in care homes...


This week we would prepare to put all of the below in place. Then next Monday all of the below would happen:

- Repeal the Coronavirus Act and all the regulations made under the 1984 Public Health Act.

- Put in place proper mechanisms to allow the vulnerable to shield *if they choose to do so*. Guaranteed free deliveries (food, medicine, etc.) Full furlough scheme for all such people of working age. Proper community support so they don't feel abandoned.

- Protect care homes. No bank staff moving between homes. Proper financial support for staff who have symptoms so they don't have to force themselves into work.

- No mandated social distancing, masks, covid-compliance workplaces or anything else like that. Everything opens and is back to normal. Tell people to wash their hands, stay home if ill, and otherwise use their common sense.

- Massive media and political campaign to communicate the actual risks to each section of society.

- Supply Vitamin D supplements for the entire population - special attention for those who naturally have lower vitamin D levels (eg. the BAME community).

- For people with symptoms - or those living with them - prescribe HCQ, Zinc and the other thing that goes with them.

- For people who are deteriorating, get them proper oxygen etc. treatment *as quickly as possible* - don't wait until they are effectively at death's door before admitting them to hospital. Use the Nightingale hospitals or similar for these so that the regular hospitals can get back to operating as normally as possible. Ventilators should be an absolute last resort.
 

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Remove mask mandation, but offer free N95s with proper training for any vulnerable people that want them.

Educate about social distancing, hand washing etc

Make it illegal to wear disposable gloves in public, unless required for your work etc.

Have a scheme similar to eat out to help out for the performing arts whereby the government pays for an empty seat for each ticket sold.

Replace the rule of 6 with a rule of however many you like as long as it's from only two households.

Accept that you can't suppress the virus forever, and review the restrictions weekly based on hospital capacity only.

Long term fund the NHS properly so we don't have to go through this again.
 

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My plan would be to have pretty much what we had pre-tiers (rule of six, face masks (but not outdoors e.g on open platforms) distancing etc, but with additional support for elderly people to shield if they decide to. The 10:00pm closure of hospitality would become an 11:00 pm stop serving (with more freedom to drink up and leave).

Also, additional support for companies to move over 50's and clinically vulnerable into non-public facing roles and additional support for low income households required to isolate.

Support would be aimed at helping companies to stay open.

Support for the NHS to locate resources and staff to hotspot areas temporarily where necessary.
 

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A bit of brainstorming as I think most of us are extremely frustrated with how the entire UK government (especially the devolved nations) are managing COVID at this point.

What would you do? Another lockdown? Changes in mask legislation? Would you reduce any restrictions? What are your thoughts?

I would simply return to normal, with minimal social distancing where it can be achieved without being disruptive, and as much effort as possible directed towards shielding those who are genuinely vulnerable.

We’re now in a farce. We are paying billions to keep people off work, yet this is simply being replaced by people spending the time doing extra socialising instead, which now seems to be being seen as the main mechanism of spread.

So in essence most of what we’re doing - and spending billions to do - is precisely pointless, but damaging to the economy whilst we’re at it.

Return to normal and let people take ownership of whatever measures they personally wish to take.
 
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A lot of people here stating "common sense", "education" and "promotion". I would say that whilst the Government have bungled some of this, I seriously question how much people would follow guidance as opposed to rules. And I doubt how much either works that much alongside the British pysche.
 

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I think that a key philosophy should be 'no rules for the sake of it'. Either do something that would make a difference, or, if doing that is too damaging, don't do anything and hunker down. Whatever you do, don't do something which you know won't have an effect on transmission (i.e tier 3) but will have a pronounced negative effect in other areas, just for the sake of being seen to be doing something.
 

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A lot of people here stating "common sense", "education" and "promotion". I would say that whilst the Government have bungled some of this, I seriously question how much people would follow guidance as opposed to rules. And I doubt how much either works that much alongside the British pysche.

This sort of statement really frustrates me - we've all had to give up our livelihoods and make a lot of sacrifices over the past 8 months so please don't start with the crap that British people don't do what they're told, especially not when the first lockdown compliance was extremely high. And we're not children anyway, we shouldn't be told what to do.
 

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This sort of statement really frustrates me - we've all had to give up our livelihoods and make a lot of sacrifices over the past 8 months so please don't start with the crap that British people don't do what they're told, especially not when the first lockdown compliance was extremely high. And we're not children anyway, we shouldn't be told what to do.

I am not saying that. But it depends what your overall aim is for management / control of the virus. The major issue is an exit strategy and I suppose to answer the OP's question you have to ask what your goal is and build plans around it. I imagine the goal varies widely on these forums but if suppression of deaths is what someone intends to do, then giving up on masks and relying on "common sense" I do not believe will be the answer. That will lead to wide intepretation by each member of the public.

Normally I'd agree regarding being told what to do (like smoking or drinking) but considering the general unknown of asymptomatic movement of people that may significantly impact others unknowingly or unwillingly that may increase deaths (the third thing in your point for instance being an issue).
 

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A bit of brainstorming as I think most of us are extremely frustrated with how the entire UK government (especially the devolved nations) are managing COVID at this point.
What would you do? Another lockdown?

Definitely NOT.

What would you do? Changes mask legislation?

Probably

What would you do? Would you reduce any restrictions?

Definitely - the six in a house rule would definitely go.
 

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More or less full Great Barrington. Drop any mask requirements, drop quarantine requirements, stop mass testing of the healthy, focus entirely on testing/hygiene within hospital/care home settings, offer things like free supermarket deliveries for the elderly, offer grants for workplaces to improve ventilation etc and to allow those who may still be vulnerable to work from home more effectively.

Then put Hancock, Johnson, Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson on trial.
 

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Then put Hancock, Johnson, Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson on trial.

This really needs a full public inquiry now. If it's done fairly with no cover-up, it will make the WMD inquiry look insignificant. This has gone on far too long for them all to hide behind the "we erred on the side of caution against an unknown foe in the best interests of the country".
 

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Oh we have public inquiries after wars etc. This will undoubtedly justify one -as a matter of due process as much as anything.
 

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Only undertake measures that can a) be proven to reduce deaths in the long run, not just kicking them a few weeks down the line, and b) have benefits that outweigh the costs
 

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This really needs a full public inquiry now. If it's done fairly with no cover-up, it will make the WMD inquiry look insignificant. This has gone on far too long for them all to hide behind the "we erred on the side of caution against an unknown foe in the best interests of the country".

Unfortunately any enquiry will just end up being one great big whitewash. BJ in particular will hide behind the shield of “I followed the science”.

Whitty in particular will be well and truly thrown under the bus.
 

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If I woke up in Boris' shoes tomorrow..

Generally speaking try and restore some sanity, remind people of risk factors personal and society-wide and that next to nobody on earth has caught covid walking down the street, etc.
Have a discussion about weighing up the lives of elderly and frail people now versus the lives and wellbeing of numbers of younger people an order of magnitude greater in the long run. Introduce hospital triage measures.
Thank Hancock, SAGE etc for their service, accept their 'resignations' for mental health/general tiredness reasons, hope people think it was a coincidence, tell their replacements not to run off on television with 'projections' or Guardian editorials ginning up fear.
Go back to 'Sweden' style measures (probably what we had during summer really, but with more assistance for various groups, focus testing and effort on care homes and hospitals) and bin off all the things where costs outweigh benefits (incl. masks, if they're such an act of altruism they can be voluntary).
Rein in a lot of things which 'make sense' but don't seem to have actually worked anywhere more than a tiny number of people have the virus (intense contact tracing, scare stories about how you might be ok if you get it but you might do asymptomatic spread to some else who five people down the chain spreads it to a frail person, etc..)
In the New Year whenever any of these new treatments come out jab old people with it then broadly speaking forget about the whole thing in Spring.
Quit and go live on a beach instead of trying to figure out how on earth to deal with all of the long term social, health and economic upheaval that's baked in so far today.

In reality, get labelled a granny killer and get kicked out of office a few weeks into this when the hospitals 'overrun'
 
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Whatever the government decides for us, it just doesn't seem to be working. I don't know the answer.

I'm getting on a bit and I'm worried for the future of this country. In the past I would've put a lot of money into the economy by just travelling around the UK, for starters by train.

Masks don't work (my opinion only) lots of people don't wear them properly anyway. I get anxious, if I have to wear one for long periods, that is more than 10 minutes. I try to nip in and out of shops as quickly as I can and if there's a queue, I don't go in and so no money spent.

One rule for all 4 home nations.

I'm totally fed up now with the whole current situation but I try to make the best of a crap situation. It gets harder and harder to work at, not letting COVID bring my mental health down.
 

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Whatever the government decides for us, it just doesn't seem to be working. I don't know the answer.

I'm getting on a bit and I'm worried for the future of this country. In the past I would've put a lot of money into the economy by just travelling around the UK, for starters by train.

Masks don't work (my opinion only) lots of people don't wear them properly anyway. I get anxious, if I have to wear one for long periods, that is more than 10 minutes. I try to nip in and out of shops as quickly as I can and if there's a queue, I don't go in and so no money spent.

One rule for all 4 home nations.

I'm totally fed up now with the whole current situation but I try to make the best of a crap situation. It gets harder and harder to work at, not letting COVID bring my mental health down.

The one rule for all nations definitely is something which will need to be looked at going forward. Apart from the fact that it just ends up being a shambles, to me it sends out a very bad message. It’s not going to be easy to sort though, as the devolved institutions are unlikely to give it up without a fight. Ironically it seems they only got the power in the first place by accident.

Northern Ireland could possibly need to be the exception as there would be a case to say there would likely need to be consideration given to aligning with ROI.
 

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Yes, an advertising campaign comparing risk of dieing from COVID, versus smoking/obesity related cancer, COPD, road traffic accidents etc wouldn't go amiss.
 

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A Great Barrington style approach and a mass encouragement for everyone to take vitamin D supplements (without panic buying them): there's a number of sources, from articles through to what some GPs have said about their patients suggesting a deficiency in this vitamin correlates with serious infections/cases. At worst more of the population will be healthier in general if they take them at the recommended dose.
 

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I've had a great day at the V & A, but have been stuck in a bleedin mask so I am grumpy.

Day 1 - mask burning ceremony in St Paul's or Westminster Abbey, and in the the university church of Oxford and Cambridge Regents House to really rile up some academics.

Carl Heneghan to take over as CMO. Possible involvement of Sikora as well. Unsure who I would choose as Chief Scientist, and I am one... maybe Francois Balloux

Voluntary Swedish style measures. If the public really love lockdown they can demonstrate it.

If you want to wear a mask, fine - you must use a government specification and certify that you know how to use it correctly. Otherwise mask usage restricted to public facing roles.

Any emergency measures shall use the civil contingencies act. Proper written constitution and public debate on how we react to this in future

Expectations of public managed, downwards.

Bottle of full blooded, meaty red wine to wash down beef roast. Only the one bottle as I will be up early the next day...

Day 2

Public pilloriying of Bojo, hancock, ferguson, edmunds, dorries in Trafalgar Square and Hyde Park

Public thanksgiving and feast, a full on Handel's Messiah would be good with no socially distanced performers. Modern music in the evening. Two bottles of Chianti.
 

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Round up Cummings, Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Valance and the rest of the mob, place them in stocks and allow dirty rolled up used masks to be thrown at them. That might sound quite cruel but no more than they have been for the last seven months.

Tomorrow i'd implement the best ideas from this thread, ensure there will be continuity in those ideas from a successor then resign and move to Sweden.
 
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