Is there a growing sense of apathy over the virus restrictions

[johnnychips]

Although I think they are pointless, I don’t find a mask difficult to wear. Last night I forgot I had it on and walked home from the station with it on without realising!

Back to the topic, I notice in Doncaster Interchange, about 66% of schoolkids don’t wear masks till they get on the bus. There seems to be no peer pressure either to wear or not wear one; you see a group of students, some with masks on, some not. I have no idea why this is.

 

[Howardh]

Although I think they are pointless, I don’t find a mask difficult to wear. Last night I forgot I had it on and walked home from the station with it on without realising!

Back to the topic, I notice in Doncaster Interchange, about 66% of schoolkids don’t wear masks till they get on the bus. There seems to be no peer pressure either to wear or not wear one; you see a group of students, some with masks on, some not. I have no idea why this is.

Isn't that OK? One doesn't have to wear masks outside, so as long as they put them on when entering the bus?

 

[NorthOxonian]

Isn't that OK? One doesn't have to wear masks outside, so as long as they put them on when entering the bus?

I assume Doncaster Interchange is an enclosed bus station - in which it is mandatory to wear one.

 

[yorksrob]

Although I think they are pointless, I don’t find a mask difficult to wear. Last night I forgot I had it on and walked home from the station with it on without realising!

Back to the topic, I notice in Doncaster Interchange, about 66% of schoolkids don’t wear masks till they get on the bus. There seems to be no peer pressure either to wear or not wear one; you see a group of students, some with masks on, some not. I have no idea why this is.

Isn't that OK? One doesn't have to wear masks outside, so as long as they put them on when entering the bus?

Exactly. Why would they when they're outdoors ?

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I assume Doncaster Interchange is an enclosed bus station - in which it is mandatory to wear one.

Like all of them, more outdoors than in.

This sounds like the youths being more sensible than their elders.

 

[Freightmaster]

It seems that Covid is the 24th largest cause of daily deaths in the UK. So that's 23 other causes of death that are higher and don't warrant a single column inch.

<mumsnet>that's because you can't catch heart disease or cancer and kill your grandma, can you hun?!</mumsnet>





MARK

 

[bramling]

<mumsnet>that's because you can't catch heart disease or cancer and kill your grandma, can you hun?!</mumsnet>





MARK

Part of the reason this virus is so toxic from a social cohesion point of view is that many people seem to have formed the view that it’s a threat which comes from *others*.

Many have shown themselves to be exceedingly poor at analysing the level of risk posed, especially if set against other everyday activities they happily carry out (eg travelling by car).

The fact there’s some niceties like WFH and furlough thrown in don’t exactly help, as it gives some people a nefarious incentive to want to over-play the risk.

There’s times I wish I’d studied psychology, as this whole thing is quite fascinating, as well as depressing, from a human behaviour point of view.

 

[Mugby]

I've noticed that Boots have given up posting 'door watchers' at the entrances to their larger stores, which was basically employing people all day to do precisely nothing.
Saturday afternoon, I walked into Boots main Derby store and there was no one watching the entrances at all.

Outside in the street, the banks, which are now open again on Saturdays until 3pm, had queues outside in the incessant pouring rain and the mask wearers had their apparel getting soggier by the minute!

 

[bramling]

I've noticed that Boots have given up posting 'door watchers' at the entrances to their larger stores, which was basically employing people all day to do precisely nothing.
Saturday afternoon, I walked into Boots main Derby store and there was no one watching the entrances at all.

Outside in the street, the banks, which are now open again on Saturdays until 3pm, had queues outside in the incessant pouring rain and the mask wearers had their apparel getting soggier by the minute!

Poorer weather will really stretch patience for all this, especially the queuing outside.

Last week when I was on holiday we had a couple of rainy days and there was a notable atmosphere hovering around shops and restaurants, with a conspicuous feeling of tension. That was in docile Wales, so one can imagine what the London area will be like!

 

[yorksrob]

I must admit, I've not had to queue outside for a couple of months now. That was a proper lockdown thing.

 

[bramling]

I must admit, I've not had to queue outside for a couple of months now. That was a proper lockdown thing.

It seems to be creeping back. Certainly in the part of Wales where I was many small shops had queues outside - which in some places made negotiating the street outside difficult.

In a couple of the touristy towns we were in the cafes and restaurants were making people queue outside too - which was causing quite a bit of strife as people were queuing, to then be told they couldn’t have a table, so naturally there was “competition” starting to develop, which was then causing an atmosphere. It didn’t help that on one of the days in question it was raining.

Round here back in my home town it seems to be Waitrose (they never ended it AFAIK, and right through the summer they’ve had at least two authoritarian but well-spoken smarmy types on the door telling people what to do), M&S foods, and of course the banks. Wilkinson and Boots still have the zig zags outside but they don’t seem to be being used.

However I’ve heard my local Sainsbury’s have restarted queuing in the last week or so, but I haven’t seen it for myself. They’ve been consistently troublesome right through this, second only to Waitrose round here. Such that my local Sainsbury’s pre-March I’d normally have shopped there once or twice per week, now I’ve only been in there I think once since March.

 

[david1212]

My heart sank when masks were made mandatory in various places, because no criteria for measuring the effectiveness, or dates for review, were set. I reckon we're stuck with the bloody things for years.

Likewise.

Generally there will be a higher level of compliance with anything if to most people it is sensible / effective / beneficial rather than unnecessarily restrictive.

 

[317 forever]

Ms Ferrier is an interesting one. She had symptoms and went down south, which was wrong.

But what if someone had been staying down south, had symptoms tested positive and had to isolate. If they didn't drive, would they be expected to book the hotel for two weeks, regardless of expense, or are they allowed to go home to isolate ?

Genuinely interested because I've no idea what the protocol is.

I see your point if someone is taken ill away from home.

In her case she knew she was probably ill before heading south. So she was illegitimately in London when her positive test came through.

 

[Bantamzen]

Well the Oriental nations have had the policy of wearing them for years, so may well become the norm for many in the winter anyway.

It wasn't ever policy as such, more a social etiquette. For example in Japan in the big cities wear them when they have a cold or a flu, i.e. symptomatic, not just in case.

 

[birchesgreen]

Also, I know the anti-maskers on here might not like me saying this, but I even occasionally wear my mask outside now! Although only because I can’t be bothered to keep taking it on/off when travelling between different pubs or shops.

I walked along the high street of the small town i visited yesterday and i'd say a majority of people were wearing masks outside, also notice it at my local shopping centre.

 

[adc82140]

It wasn't ever policy as such, more a social etiquette. For example in Japan in the big cities wear them when they have a cold or a flu, i.e. symptomatic, not just in case.

In China it has more to do with protecting yourself from the horrendous levels of urban pollution.

 

[C J Snarzell]

Yeah, I disagree with masks but I've worn them where the law requires it for the sake of a quiet life, both for me and the shop staff, train managers etc I interact with. I can't be bothered with confrontation, it's not their fault we have to deal with all this nonsense.

Heading backwards is frustrating as hell, and if any serious attempt is made to return us to where we were in the spring, I think the public mood will turn ugly very quickly.

Absolutely, but sadly I think Boris Johnson is burying his head in the sand now and going down the route of a second lockdown despite the devasting impacts of livelihoods and mental health. If this happens, the government will have to bring in the army, because the already over stretched police cannot cope. I assume BJ realises a second full national lockdown would ignite severe social unrest, so he seems to be pushing this as close to the bone as possible without incurring all out rebellion by the public.

CJ

 

[island]

Halfords, meanwhile, continues to play up. A nice notice in the entrance “Face coverings compulsory in this store, vulnerable members of staff work here and you will be putting them in danger”.

This should be reported; it is an offence not to display a notice stating that face coverings must be worn unless you are exempt or have a reasonable excuse.

Back to the topic, I notice in Doncaster Interchange, about 66% of schoolkids don’t wear masks till they get on the bus. There seems to be no peer pressure either to wear or not wear one; you see a group of students, some with masks on, some not. I have no idea why this is.

Unless I’m mistaken, Doncaster Interchange is not an enclosed location and therefore they are acting entirely within English law.

 

[yorksrob]

It seems to be creeping back. Certainly in the part of Wales where I was many small shops had queues outside - which in some places made negotiating the street outside difficult.

In a couple of the touristy towns we were in the cafes and restaurants were making people queue outside too - which was causing quite a bit of strife as people were queuing, to then be told they couldn’t have a table, so naturally there was “competition” starting to develop, which was then causing an atmosphere. It didn’t help that on one of the days in question it was raining.

Round here back in my home town it seems to be Waitrose (they never ended it AFAIK, and right through the summer they’ve had at least two authoritarian but well-spoken smarmy types on the door telling people what to do), M&S foods, and of course the banks. Wilkinson and Boots still have the zig zags outside but they don’t seem to be being used.

However I’ve heard my local Sainsbury’s have restarted queuing in the last week or so, but I haven’t seen it for myself. They’ve been consistently troublesome right through this, second only to Waitrose round here. Such that my local Sainsbury’s pre-March I’d normally have shopped there once or twice per week, now I’ve only been in there I think once since March.

I always find the big Sainsburys to be a lot better in all respects.

 

[greyman42]

Last night in the local con club, at kicking out time i.e. 10pm several die hard tories expressed their view of Boris' face - a kind they wanted to punch. Repeatedly.

The best thing they can do is to not renew their membership of the Conservative party and send a message that way.

 

[birchesgreen]

The best thing they can do is to not renew their membership of the Conservative party and send a message that way.

To be honest a lot of people join the conservative clubs for business connections or the social aspect, my friend's dad (a small business owner) joined one because of that, he'd have rather eaten his own feet than vote for them!

 

[Skimpot flyer]

In China it has more to do with protecting yourself from the horrendous levels of urban pollution.

Have you been there? I was in China in 2018 and have no recollection of seeing any mask-wearing at all in the two biggest cities in Jilin province. The views were stunning and I witnessed no pollution or smog-induced haze! (The central area of Jilin City has a population of nearly 2million)

 

[birchesgreen]

China varies a lot as any big country will, Shenzhen and Beijing certainly do have pollution issues.