Transfer of LNER HST 125s to East Midlands Railway (EMR)

[SteveyBee131]

Think they were fitted with laminated windows a number of years ago.

Indeed they were, part of the GNER "Mallard" heavy refurbishment.

 

[Merle Haggard]

Think they were fitted with laminated windows a number of years ago.

Interesting, thank you.

 

[43096]

43059/465 are reported to have worked 0Z01 Neville Hill-Barrow Hill today, with 43465 coming back with 43272 as 0Z02.

 

[heedfan]

43059/465 are reported to have worked 0Z01 Neville Hill-Barrow Hill today, with 43465 coming back with 43272 as 0Z02.

It was 43059 that came back to NL with 43272, not 43465.

 

[43 302]

It was 43059 that came back to NL with 43272, not 43465.

Correct. Annyoing for me as 465 was my last required 43/4

 

[43096]

It was 43059 that came back to NL with 43272, not 43465.

Cheers for the correction.

 

[43 302]

43048 and 43058 to Long Marston on Tuesday with a slight chance 48 will be dropped off at Leicester. Sounds unlikely though.

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[43096]

43048 and 43058 to Long Marston on Tuesday with a slight chance 48 will be dropped off at Leicester. Sounds unlikely though.

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It is to be hoped 48 does not go to Long Marston!

 

[43 302]

It is to be hoped 48 does not go to Long Marston!

Depends on whether or not they can turn 48 as it's facing the same way as 89 currently. The turn table at NL is broken apparently.

 

[heedfan]

Depends on whether or not they can turn 48 as it's facing the same way as 89 currently. The turn table at NL is broken apparently.

Pedant alert...it isn't broken, it's undergoing an overhaul. But it is certainly out of use for the time being.

 

[43 302]

Pedant alert...it isn't broken, it's undergoing an overhaul. But it is certainly out of use for the time being.

I stand corrected, thanks.

 

[DB]

Could they not send then via a route with a reversal somewhere?

 

[43 302]

Could they not send then via a route with a reversal somewhere?

I imagine that is how they would do it yeah. Although that could result in 58 being the wrong way wrong to carry on to Long Marston I guess. We will see

 

[43055]

Has 43306 entered service for EMR yet?

Not yet. According to my list on the rebranding thread it looks like it is still stored at Gascoigne Wood.

 

[43 302]

Not yet. According to my list on the rebranding thread it looks like it is still stored at Gascoigne Wood.

It is still at Gascoigne Wood. Also unlikely many more MTUs will enter service will EMR.

 

[Swimbar]

There is a proposed movement from Gascoigne Wood to Neville Hill tomorrow

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[43 302]

There is a proposed movement from Gascoigne Wood to Neville Hill tomorrow

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I have 290, 277, 306, 308 at Gascoigne Wood. Won't be 308 as that has been handed back to angel. Might be another ex LNER set as a few of the EMR ones have to be stopped for maintenance soon; some of them won't receive it either.

 

[Merle Haggard]

I have 290, 277, 306, 308 at Gascoigne Wood. Won't be 308 as that has been handed back to angel. Might be another ex LNER set as a few of the EMR ones have to be stopped for maintenance soon; some of them won't receive it either.

Now I know that the whole process has not been accompanied by transparent logic, but that means there's an odd number of power cars waiting entry to service.
Could be the odd one is to be a spare, I suppose; but it's only just over 3 months to the 360s finally entering service, and replacing the lot.
Also interested that a pair of the ex GC power cars are on an 8 car set - as the ex GC sets are underwritten by DfT this makes the financial arrangements a bit complicated, I would think.

 

[43096]

I have 290, 277, 306, 308 at Gascoigne Wood. Won't be 308 as that has been handed back to angel. Might be another ex LNER set as a few of the EMR ones have to be stopped for maintenance soon; some of them won't receive it either.

I have 277 down as being at Barrow Hill. If it is a power car move, I suspect it will be 43306 - both 290 and 308 have been to Neville Hill already and have been rejected.

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Now I know that the whole process has not been accompanied by transparent logic, but that means there's an odd number of power cars waiting entry to service.
Could be the odd one is to be a spare, I suppose; but it's only just over 3 months to the 360s finally entering service, and replacing the lot.
Also interested that a pair of the ex GC power cars are on an 8 car set - as the ex GC sets are underwritten by DfT this makes the financial arrangements a bit complicated, I would think.

It's more than 3 months to the 360s from what has been said.

There's more power cars (23) than required for sets (9) anyway - as you'd expect. An odd number is not an issue once the turntable is back in use.

I don't see why it makes the financial arrangements complicated - the ex-GC sets were factored into the franchise when it was re-franchised as EMR, and even if not it's an agreement to lease 3 additional trains with an adjustment to the franchise. As long as the services run it's not a problem and to the EMR fleet team they're another 6 power cars available for use.

 

[43 302]

I have 277 down as being at Barrow Hill. If it is a power car move, I suspect it will be 43306 - both 290 and 308 have been to Neville Hill already and have been rejected.

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It's more than 3 months to the 360s from what has been said.

There's more power cars (23) than required for sets (9) anyway - as you'd expect. An odd number is not an issue once the turntable is back in use.

I don't see why it makes the financial arrangements complicated - the ex-GC sets were factored into the franchise when it was re-franchised as EMR, and even if not it's an agreement to lease 3 additional trains with an adjustment to the franchise. As long as the services run it's not a problem and to the EMR fleet team they're another 6 power cars available for use.

Didn't know that about 290, thanks. I'm not sure on 277 then, I suspect you are correct.


Worth noting in terms of power cars to sets that there are still three VP185s in service (not including soon to be withdrawn 45) and that the buffered MTUs are being used on NL sets too. Combine that with the fact that the number of diagrams is supposed to decrease to four (can't see that being soon) then less of the red PCs will be needed.


Edit: also it is a class 5 working so presumably a full set

 

[Merle Haggard]

I don't see why it makes the financial arrangements complicated - the ex-GC sets were factored into the franchise when it was re-franchised as EMR, and even if not it's an agreement to lease 3 additional trains with an adjustment to the franchise. As long as the services run it's not a problem and to the EMR fleet team they're another 6 power cars available for use.

Thank you for the responses.

As far as the ex GC sets go, I had thought that they were being paid for by the Department directly (because their requirement was a result of a DfT decision) , but, clearly, I was wrong and, anyway, as you say it would all have been overtaken by the new franchise.

 

[Domh245]

Combine that with the fact that the number of diagrams is supposed to decrease to four (can't see that being soon)

How are they managing to reduce the diagrams? Is it using the 180s (an optimistic approach as 4 of them to replace the sole short HST diagram seems more workable), more single 222s, or something else?

 

[43 302]

How are they managing to reduce the diagrams? Is it using the 180s (an optimistic approach as 4 of them to replace the sole short HST diagram seems more workable), more single 222s, or something else?

They won't manage in my opinion lol, at least not anytime soon

 

[DB]

So is it currently intended that any further ex LNER trailer sets will enter service?

 

[43096]

So is it currently intended that any further ex LNER trailer sets will enter service?

There are two sets at NL being prepared for service.

 

[DB]

There are two sets at NL being prepared for service.

Thanks - so that will be four in total. Is that likely to be it?

 

[43 302]

Thanks - so that will be four in total. Is that likely to be it?

I imagine a fifth set is on today's Gascoigne Wood move.

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43047 has also received its plates and is out today with 43045 starting on 1C11. 66710 is on the Gascoigne wood move.

 

[Mdu 66741]

I imagine a fifth set is on today's Gascoigne Wood move.

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43047 has also received its plates and is out today with 43045 starting on 1C11. 66710 is on the Gascoigne wood move.

When are the hst set moving today possibly?

 

[43 302]

When are the hst set moving today possibly?

See post 556, doesn't seem to have left yet though

 

[WesternLancer]

GIven the on going saga - and the time left to get sets ready for December DDA 'partial compliance' extension for the exEMT sets, and that from december the 180s were due to take on some of the services, one would expect the target number of exLNER sets to be the number needed to deliver the service post Dec 2020. I can't recall how many that is though...

I would expect that pre-supposes:
a) The 180s can do the job and come in into service as now intended
b) The DfT agree to such an approach
c) The budget has not been blown on all the work so far to get exLNER sets running again...