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pooliemag

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Hi everyone,
Having only travelled once on TPE, im looking to travel from Manchester Picc - Darlington on the 16th Sept. I can see advance fares for £10.50 which is very reasonable but i notice there are 1st class tickets available for £22.50. My questions are....Is it worth paying the extra for the 1st class fare and what benefits if any would i recieve?

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Mark
 
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From: http://www.tpexpress.co.uk/train-tickets-and-rail-offers/tickets-explained.htm

TPE said:
A First Class option is available. Holders of First Class tickets are entitled to complimentary tea/coffee/water and a biscuit on services where catering is provided.
Holders of Standard Class tickets may upgrade to First Class on Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays on payment of a £6.00 single journey supplement to the Conductor between any two train stations on the First TransPennine route network. (On our Manchester to Edinburgh and Manchester to Glasgow train services the single journey supplement is £10.00).
Customers holding a valid Season Ticket may make their normal daily journey in First Class at weekends at no extra cost.

And from the Network Rail timetable:

Network Rail said:
Catering trolley services are available between 0700 and 1900 Monday to
Friday on First TransPennine Express trains between Manchester Piccadilly
and York, Manchester Piccadilly and Doncaster and Manchester Piccadilly
and Preston. In addition to the above, all services between Manchester Airport,
Manchester Piccadilly, Carlisle, Glasgow Central and Edinburgh convey a
trolley service for the whole journey. This facility is also provided at weekends.
 

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Only real advantage is that it will be quieter and you will have more space and leg room. You will also get a drink and a biscuit at some point. For me I only bother with TPE first class if I'm going to be travelling on a peak service.
 

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Thanks for the reply:D
So..i get free tea/coffee/water and a biscuit....is that everytime the trolley comes round? Also do these trains get very busy? Would i have a better journey travelling 1st class eg..is the leg room/seats much better than std class? Its a 2hr journey time so im looking for a journey as comfortable as possible lol... basically is it worth paying the extra to travel 1st class???
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Only real advantage is that it will be quieter and you will have more space and leg room. You will also get a drink and a biscuit at some point. For me I only bother with TPE first class if I'm going to be travelling on a peak service.

Thanks for the reply...i was writing my last post as you were replying lol. It appears to be only an extra £10 to travel 1st class so im thinking its probably worth the upgrade in ticket. Im travelling on the 11.27 train to Darlington if that makes any difference...is it a busy train?

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on a weekday? won't be busy. if it's a saturday it depends on sporting events etc
 

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on a weekday? won't be busy. if it's a saturday it depends on sporting events etc

Its a Thursday Yorkie :) Do you think it is worth paying the extra £10 to travel 1st class?? is it value for money ?
 

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I personally wouldn't bother for that service at that time of day. I would be surprised if you couldn't get a table seat if you need space and actually the priority seats on 185s give a lot of space as well. For £10 extra not worth it in the middle of the day.
 

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I personally wouldn't bother for that service at that time of day. I would be surprised if you couldn't get a table seat if you need space and actually the priority seats on 185s give a lot of space as well. For £10 extra not worth it in the middle of the day.

Thanks for your thoughts :) I will probably just go std class then and use the cash saved to stock up on drinks and munchies :)
 

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What time are you departing from Piccadilly? Some of the services out of Manchester around 4pm onwards can be rammed in standard all the way to York. Depends if you can put up with it!
 

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This is true. If I were travelling during the rush hour for that distance, particularly over the Manchester - Leeds core, I'd be tempted to pay the extra as they can get quite busy. If a leg of the journey was at a quieter time of day then I'd go for the cheaper option.
 

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A related question...

I'm travelling Barrow-in-Furness to Durham on Sunday 23rd August, as a return leg of an off-peak return. The best bet on the Sunday is travel via Manchester Picadilly. I've found Sunday trains on the Manchester>Newcastle route busy before so quite fancy first class there. I'm not too bothered about first class BIF - Manchester, as its rarely busy (and where it is it is always some point down line from Barrow, by which point I'm already comfortably seated!), but if I can get that at no extra cost to the Manchester to Durham leg then I might as well do it.

So, if I travel first class out of Barrow, can I pay the £6 to upgrade for the whole return leg (given I'll be using two TPE trains), or would I have to pay again out of Manchester?
 
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Weekend first upgrades are usually per train, so in your case you would need to buy 2 upgrades.
 

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Oh ok, Does anyone else allow you to do that instead of buying one for each train you wish to use?
 

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They mostly do that now.
Crosscountry does (at least if you buy on their website), FGW do, EMT and NXEA appear to (according to National Rail).
 

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They mostly do that now.
Crosscountry does (at least if you buy on their website), FGW do, EMT and NXEA appear to (according to National Rail).

How long have I been asleep for then?

I normaly just get one on the train on the understanding (or so I thought) that I would have to buy one again if I got on another train(same TOC or not).
 

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I remember that FGW introduced it reasonably recently, partly to justify the large price increase.

There is an interesting bit about SWT trains on nationalrail;
Through booking is possible when travelling on services of other train operators participating in 'Weekend First' (excluding East Coast), provided the booking generally is made by 1800 on the day before travel

I'm not really sure what it means though, I think it implies that you can pay one price for both upgrades. If not, I have no idea what it means!
 

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I know that Virgin Trains will only charge you for one weekend first upgrade on their (i.e. can't be extended to other TOC's) trains, regardless of whether your journey consists of one direct Virgin service or more.

(VT Weekend First is £15 per adult/£5 per child, regardless of where you're going, although I do remember a recent limited time promotion running between Birmingham and London- £10 instead of £15.)
 

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If travelling South West Trains and another Train Operating Company's service, Weekend First upgrades may purchase at stations. Not available to holders of Advance tickets or those travelling on special promotions.

Looking at the bit that comes before it I would thinnk you are right as long as it bought at a station before 18:00.
 

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I've only had bad experiences. I wrote them up on another forum, but I'll quote straight in to here:
Okay, so I've got back... not a brilliant First Class experience:

Friday afternoon:
Sheffield - Manchester Piccadilly
Train packed as expected. Standard class came in to First Class because there was literally nowhere else for them to go on board. Upon inspection of our 1st tickets, we were offered a cup of tea and a biscuit by the catering host. All credit to the conductor here, he fought his way through the train (First was in the leading end) and personally apologised to the 3 groups of 1st class passengers and gave us the relevant forms to claim for compensation.

Manchester Piccadilly - Blackpool North
Platform 14 was absolutely rammed, so we knew it was going to be tough just to get in to First Class. Eventually we did, and just as we took our seats and were offered a cup of tea, the conductor announced that First Class was now declassified as far as Bolton only, naturally the compartment filled right out. Bolton came and went, and none of the Standard Class passengers were asked to move by the conductor, nor the catering/first class lady, nor the 2 'G4S' Security guards who just stood in First Class. Our tickets were not checked once and we were not offered an apology of any sort.

Sunday afternoon:
Blackpool North - Preston
Rail replacement bus (shudders). No first class, obviously - but the situation at BPN wasnt great; they'd turned off the bloody departures screen (well, replaced it with a "SPECIAL NOTICE") so it was impossible to keep up with what was going on. We were erroneously shoved on an earlier bus to Preston.

Preston - Manchester Piccadilly
I asked a member of staff at Preston if we'd be alright to get an earlier train to Manchester Piccadilly, and he said there'd be no problem. I neednt have wasted his time, the train arrived with a (nearly) empty First Class compartment which was filled by standard class passengers before we could even get on. An awful, awful family (think Shameless, without any endearing traits) from Bolton occupied 6 seats, the father figure explaining to his children (loudly) that First Class is for mugs, ripping the First Class headrest cover-things off and generally trashing that area of the train. Coach A was freezing cold, the engine beneath sounded as though it was revving every 3 seconds or so. There was absolutely no presence from on board staff; no catering trolley. Not impressed.

Manchester Piccadilly - Sheffield
Lo and behold - that very same 185 showed up to form our return to Sheffield, even more trashed than before. Our reserved seats (not that there was any ticket to show that) were on the table trashed by the Gallagher's, but we found the next table only had discarded (but sealed?) packet sandwiches covering it, - we moved them to the trashed table and took that one. BOTH toilets were locked out of use. Once again Standard Class passengers came in and remained there unchallenged for the duration of our journey. Once again, no on-board staff presence; no catering trolley.

Other general observations:
Class 185s layout is screwed - why the hell have they wedged First Class in the MIDDLE of a coach, which flip down seats and a toilet the other side? Why isn't First Class against the cab with its own door?
Class 185s already look knackered - particularly on the 'trashed' unit; skirting was chipped, seats were clearly fading/lacking padding.
Class 185s have totally ineffective heating.

Overall assessment:
From a passenger point of view: no point paying for a first class ticket. Just go and sit in there, you'll be fine.
From a corporate/governmental point of view: don't offer fist class unless you're going to staff/enforce it. As it stands, I just felt completely ripped off.


Ironically, the only journey which I felt we were offered a First Class service was the first one where the conductor apologised profusely. This was possibly the most packed train; why on earth did the other conductors not bother?
 

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I can personally second many of the comments made by WillPS, particularly about Standard passengers helping themselves to a free FC upgrade on short journeys, Bolton to Manchester being a big problem area in my opinion.

For this reason I actually tend to avoid TPE, walk or get the metrolink between Victoria & Piccadilly and then take FC on a 185, usually towards Cleethorpes.

I travelled on TPE's 19:47 Scarbrough to Liverpool Lime Street on Friday 30th July between York and Manchester Piccadilly, and feel that the conductor did a superb job regularly checking tickets after each stop and keeping FC clear of SC pax.
 

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I've only had bad experiences. I wrote them up on another forum, but I'll quote straight in to here:

Interesting read, I presume you have sent something like this to TPE, if not I would if I was you.
 
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