Route Moorgate to Potters Bar 1964

[wyvfe1]

Hi,
Anyone know what route the BR trains took in 1964 to get from Moorgate to Potters Bar as seen in this photo.

http://ronfisher.fotopic.net/p48230938.html

As can be seen Moorgate is in the open.

 

[philjo]

That would have been from the Midland platforms at Moorgate & used the now disused tunnels under Kings Cross to join the ECML at Kings Cross.

You used to be able to see the entrance to the southbound tunnel on arrival at KX, but I think it went as part of the works for Platform 0.

 

[4SRKT]

There was a platform at the Cross called 'York Road, Kings Cross' where these trains stopped. The 1974 timetable shows a train into Moorgate in rush hours only every 10-20 minutes (no real basic interval timetabling), starting from either Hertford North, Potters Bar, Hatfield or WGC. It also shows the trains calling at 'Kings Cross St Pancras' which I can only assume to be the Metropolitan Line platforms (?). Journey time from York Road to KXSP is 2 mins. Interestingly there are no balancing northbound workings from Moorgate in the morning peak, and the evening peak similarly contains no southbound workings. The sets must all have worked in and out of Moorgate ECS in the contra-peak direction. I believe class 105 Cravens DMUs were still the norm on GN suburban workings then, 10 years after that photo was taken. Longer distance workings to Cambridge were in the hands of class 31s hauling those non-corridor suburban coaches they use on the K&WVR.

 

[A60K]

Kings Cross St Pancras was indeed the old Metropolitan and Circle station, specifically those platforms that were latterly Kings Cross Midland City then Kings Cross Thameslink.

They were very basic back then - chicken wire and wooden post fence separating the northbound platform from the disused outer rail Circle. Little or no shelter - it was described as the station that 'looked like it closed in 1938, but someone forgot to tell the LMS'.

 

[b0b]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcpb9oZ6f3g

 

[4SRKT]

Really excellent vid there!

 

[Aictos]

That would have been from the Midland platforms at Moorgate & used the now disused tunnels under Kings Cross to join the ECML at Kings Cross.

You used to be able to see the entrance to the southbound tunnel on arrival at KX, but I think it went as part of the works for Platform 0.

Actually the tunnel is still visible from the train as I saw some NWR workers standing in the entrance to the tunnel last Saturday about 1951 when I got the 1950 departure from Platform 0.

Talking of Moorgate, does anyone know when the office block was built on the top of it as I can't imagine seeing Moorgate as it was in the 60s and comparing it with today as so much has changed, it's like they were two different stations altogether.

 

[Old Timer]

Try these gems !

City Widened Lines Part 1

Part 2 - Kings Cross

 

[4SRKT]

Actually the tunnel is still visible from the train as I saw some NWR workers standing in the entrance to the tunnel last Saturday about 1951 when I got the 1950 departure from Platform 0.

Talking of Moorgate, does anyone know when the office block was built on the top of it as I can't imagine seeing Moorgate as it was in the 60s and comparing it with today as so much has changed, it's like they were two different stations altogether.

TBH it's not so much that Moorgate then and now are like two different stations, but if you watch that vid it's like London then and now are two different planets!
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More excellent vids OT. I'd watched these just a couple minutes before you posted them!

Very sad I just missed the Widened Lines for myself. I was 5 in 1976, so have no memories of them, but have always retained a soft spot for the 312s, which like the 310s were a cut above any other AC suburban units IYAM. Must be the Mk II bodyshell! Never really took to the 313s (my father and his BR mates called them and all PEP stock 'electric boxes'), although it will be difficult for today's younger enthusiasts to appreciate just how futuristic PEP stock looked in the late 70s!

I also like riding in the suburban stock on the K&WVR. Very handy when I'm with my young sons and they start to tire and need coralling in a compartment nobody else can access between stops!

 

[Greenback]

Try these gems !

City Widened Lines Part 1

Part 2 - Kings Cross

Wonderful!

Sarcastic mode on

But look at all of those people opening the doors at Moorgate and jumping out before the train had stopped - there must have been thousands of deaths every year!

Sarcastic mode off

 

[4SRKT]

Also in the 1974 timetable are peak hour trains from Broad Street to any out of Gordons Hill, Cuffley, Hertford North, Hatfield, WGC and Hitchin (via Hertford). These call at Dalston Junction en route to Finsbury Park, and took the curve northwards from Canonbury.