Edgeley
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I was experimenting during the week just for myself, I wore one of my snoods going about town, I felt like at one point I was sweating more than I normally do with one of them on, I already wear a mask in work and even in temperatures it can get to you easily.... So if we are expected to follow the rules so I guess we should be seeing the like of Nicola Sturgeon during her daily briefings sporting one whilst talking or is she being exempt here? I would actually force it onto the politicians, if you want the public to go with this then by all means you go first!
Just to add, found this on The Scotsman site as reference:
This includes the following instances:
- visits to a care home for the elderly (understand this one)
- visits to adult hospitals as an outpatient (hospital environment)
- entering GP surgeries or pharmacies (umm another area people have been going in since the outbreak, maybe should have been implemented earlier??) hmmmm???
I'm finding it now becoming a joke in some parts and I had symptoms well technically had it but still feel everything like this should have been implemented in January or at least March and not now)....
www.scotsman.com
Just to add, found this on The Scotsman site as reference:
This includes the following instances:
- visits to a care home for the elderly (understand this one)
- visits to adult hospitals as an outpatient (hospital environment)
- entering GP surgeries or pharmacies (umm another area people have been going in since the outbreak, maybe should have been implemented earlier??) hmmmm???
I'm finding it now becoming a joke in some parts and I had symptoms well technically had it but still feel everything like this should have been implemented in January or at least March and not now)....
Face coverings will be mandatory in more places in Scotland - these are the changes
Face coverings are to be made mandatory in workplace canteens and communal areas
www.scotsman.com
Edgeley
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Are eyes also a potential conduit for infections getting into the body? If so, we also need to think about goggles...
Yes they certainly are - hence the effort for people with 3-d printers to make face shields for health workers some time back.
But that's not so relevant when you're wearing a face covering to reduce your chances of infecting others, as so far as I know one tends not to shed significant virus from ones eyes.
An article opposing face masks:
Why Wearing Face Masks Shouldn't be Made Compulsory in the UK
The UK government is coming under intense pressure to make the wearing of face masks mandatory in shops and other enclosed public places in England, but if that happens, it would be the wrong move.sputniknews.com
"We need at this stage to be getting back to the old, February 2020 normal, not consenting to an anti-human, New Abnormal."
The thing that sprung me more out of it was if you are not wearing a mask of any sort .... £60 fine .... let me guess another money making racket I guess? Go to court/jail for not wearing a mask....
On the other its a bit odd Sputnik reporting this I believe they have a base in Scotland (not being political in anyway but I find it strikingly odd that you could say these backers will turn on her too in her views --- again just opinion)
RomeoCharlie71
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I'm not sure how the police can enforce this either? As far as I'm aware you do not have to carry proof of exemption in either Scotland or England.
This is correct, and anyone who is genuinely exempt and gets fined will likely challenge this, rendering the law practically useless.
It was fine as a short term measure, but the mandation of it on public transport is a bit silly at this stage, and the mandation of it in all shops is quite frankly ridiculous given how weak the evidence is!
maybe the police might file this under "harassment" as a go round (think of this as more out of the box) but I do agree with you though....
I'm guessing Nicola just goes with whats trending and being opposite.... Its OK I bet when the gyms open for me to use i'll have to have a face covering in there too? Use a scarf prepare to go under the treadmill.... wonderful!
What about crying in despair about how Sturgeon's handling the whole thing?
I think you're opening up faster in Scotland than in Wales.
I'm still not allowed to visit anyone in their home here yet (unenforced of course, but I think actually a criminal offence in principle, not just going against "advice" or "guidance").
Had my first very significant period wearing a mask today. 2 hour national rail journey wearing an outrageously loose mask, which was probably legal, but almost certainly useless even in the unlikely event that masks are of value. Even with this I literally couldn't forget the mask for a second and wasn't able to concentrate on even basic tasks with it on. Followed up with a 35 minute tube journey where I wore a disposable mask, which I was holding away from my face for most of the journey, but still feeling anxious about.
I'm pretty much convinced as a result that it's probably unsafe for me to wear one for any significant period. I've not had a panic attack outside of my home since I was a child and don't know if its something I can sensibly deal with. The idea of not wearing something the police can enforce and where compliance was around 90% though is genuinely quite uncomfortable though.
Not sure what to do tbh, and really apprehensive about the idea of returning to Scotland while this is going on
I'm pretty much convinced as a result that it's probably unsafe for me to wear one for any significant period. I've not had a panic attack outside of my home since I was a child and don't know if its something I can sensibly deal with. The idea of not wearing something the police can enforce and where compliance was around 90% though is genuinely quite uncomfortable though.
Not sure what to do tbh, and really apprehensive about the idea of returning to Scotland while this is going on
Oh dear, the First Minister starts to tighten her grip on Soctland's faces...
My bold. Its only a matter of time before she mandates their use outside, in the home, in the bedroom....
Good luck Scotland, but we won't be following you on this, hopefully!
My bold. Its only a matter of time before she mandates their use outside, in the home, in the bedroom....
Good luck Scotland, but we won't be following you on this, hopefully!
I note that they are mandated for anyone over 5 years old. Good luck trying to get my 6 year old to wear one. Most other jurisdictions that mandate them say over 11 years old should wear them, which ius more sensible.
We are holidaying in Scotland this month. The car will be filled with most things we need in England so we have to go in to shops as little as possible, but hey ho, if Nicola wants to trash the Scottish economy....
We are holidaying in Scotland this month. The car will be filled with most things we need in England so we have to go in to shops as little as possible, but hey ho, if Nicola wants to trash the Scottish economy....
Police on the door of my local this morning, and I’d estimate 90-95% compliance overall.
RomeoCharlie71
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I really wish Sturgeon would stop comparing the use of face coverings to seatbelts. Seatbelts have been proved to reduce chance of death in a car by up a significant amount (various numbers across the internet, 45% was quoted in various places). No evidence like this for face coverings. And the mortality risk from COVID-19 is < 1% (generally; and I couldn't find a very up-to-date exact figure for this), when the case numbers in Scotland are so small is their use really going to "save lives"?
Just as well we didn't adopt the UK Government's new slogan, as she is controlling the population, not the virus!
The words "buckle up" spring to mind...
As I mentioned previously, let her lead the way lets see her in action doing this in places she is in, lets start with her daily briefings or what about in Holyrood, by all means Ms Sturgeon lead the way as for me its just a marketing gimmick - lets see how far the public will go/back this or backlash it?
just to pick up a quote she has said “For the foreseeable future, what I am saying to people is that wearing a face covering in a shop or public transport should become as automatic as putting the seat belt on when we get into a car," the first minister told BBC Breakfast.
So are the public robots or something? Why not she be the one doing it automatically then? One rule for us another for them....
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scotrail158713
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I’ve not been to any shops yet today but when I do go to one that’s what I’m expecting as well. There’ll always be some with exemptions so 90-95% compliance is probably full compliance anyway.
RomeoCharlie71
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That's the effect I was expecting, tbh.
My area is exactly the same, the shops are open but not many people are in them. That's the effect of 3 months of 'go out and you'll die' messaging accompanied with mandating masks everywhere (reminding people of the dangers), emphasising the importance of avoiding everyone like the plague (quite literally), and putting out daily announcements of how many people are dying with the virus (most people believe it's 'from' the virus and not with).
We can't go on like this much longer.
Scotrail12
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I'm off to Glasgow, will report back how busy the streets are looking today when I return.
Was so nice to see everyone out and about in the last 2 weeks, not prepared to be pleased with what I see today...
Was so nice to see everyone out and about in the last 2 weeks, not prepared to be pleased with what I see today...
kylemore
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Yes much more fun for the plods than dealing with real crime like the drug dealing that seems to go on round my way with impunity.
Scrotnig
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Sorry, nobody cares about drug dealing any more, because it's not the deadly killer virus.
I’m avoiding any discretionary shopping in the high street until the mask rule is lifted (it’s a combination of that and the fact our local road network is now utterly bizarre and impossible to navigate, they’ve designed one section of road to have car parking in the middle of the roadway! For another thread though). I’m really not convinced by the argument and I’ll be able to sit in the pub for hours from Wednesday without a mask but I can’t pop into a quiet shop to get groceries unless I wear one 
I will wear it in the supermarket when I go but sadly anything else I need to purchase will be done from the comfort of my living room, depriving the high street of cash.
I will wear it in the supermarket when I go but sadly anything else I need to purchase will be done from the comfort of my living room, depriving the high street of cash.
Bletchleyite
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To put another slant on that, seatbelts (mostly) exist to protect the wearer, whereas masks (mostly) exist to protect others. This means I'm actually opposed to legislation requiring the former (though I do always wear one and still would even were it not the law, and don't consider there to be any disadvantage to wearing one) but support legislation requiring the latter, as my fundamental view is that the law exists to protect an individual from others, not from themselves.
OTOH I very much dislike wearing a mask and so will just avoid settings where they are needed so far as feasible until this is no longer the case.
I agree, but this crosses what I believe to be a very dangerous line.
The law - rightly - proscribes various *actions* that harm others. But we're now going down the road of criminalising *inaction* - I'm very wary of that, both in this specific case and as a general idea. We're effectively saying that by merely *existing* in a normal manner, we're potentially inflicting harm on others- that doesn't result in a healthy society to live in.
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I concur, all purchases online - bugger the shops, and we are going to try Iceland home delivery to avoid even the supermarket visit!
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OK - so, Glasgow was a little less busy than Monday but still reasonable levels of people. I was expecting a return to early May levels of people so at least it wasn't that bad.
Didn't see much police around. People generally weren't wearing masks walking around the street, just in shops where necessary. Most were wearing masks in stations but some who weren't.
One time I was thankful for having a mask was when I was on a 156 and the windows were open. Those fumes are annoying.
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