Coronavirus precautions: Has the world gone mad?

[Jamiescott1]

The key word is also no "Known" underlying health condition as well.

I'm sure a lot of the "healthy" people who died had higher than recommended bmi, did no excercise or drunk heavily regularly

 

[Jamiescott1]

Superdrug tried to get me to sanitize my hands before entering the store and wouldnt let me in unless I sanitised them.

I refused and went to boots instead

 

[birchesgreen]

or of course 1 in 10000

Exactly. There are probably quite a few areas in the UK where you are more likely to be hit by a meteorite than catch covid.

 

[adc82140]

Superdrug tried to get me to sanitize my hands before entering the store and wouldnt let me in unless I sanitised them.

I refused and went to boots instead

Hand sanitising is one rule I do agree with though.

 

[birchesgreen]

Hand sanitising is one rule I do agree with though.

Yes though as long as you can use your own hand sanitiser and not one the shop forces on you, sanitisers can contain ingredients that some have adverse reactions to

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yes though as long as you can use your own hand sanitiser and not one the shop forces on you, sanitisers can contain ingredients that some have adverse reactions to

I'm betting the person who refused didn't get his own bottle out and sanitise immediately, though.

There is one thing that definitely does help, and it's good hand hygiene.

 

[Jamiescott1]

Nope I didnt.
Teaching food safety for a living, my hands are a lot cleaner than most

 

[adc82140]

But the person on the door doesn't know that. Then you have the person behind you with filthy hands who will argue that because you didn't sanitise, they shouldn't. It's much easier just to give your hands a squirt. I have my own sanitiser because my hands have been knackered by repeated use of alcohol sanitiser in a healthcare environment. I show it to the person asking me to squirt my hands, use it and everyone's happy.

 

[Richard Scott]

But the person on the door doesn't know that. Then you have the person behind you with filthy hands who will argue that because you didn't sanitise, they shouldn't. It's much easier just to give your hands a squirt. I have my own sanitiser because my hands have been knackered by repeated use of alcohol sanitiser in a healthcare environment. I show it to the person asking me to squirt my hands, use it and everyone's happy.

Unless it's around 60% alcohol won't work on a virus anyway, I believe. Happy to be corrected on that one.

 

[adc82140]

Doesn't need to be alcohol at all. I use the Medi 9 foam. Virucidal without any alcohol.

 

[DB]

Several more examples of madness in the news recently - Nicola Sturgeon has apparently claimed that she wouldn't rule out a 14-day quarantine period for people coming into Scotland from other parts of the UK. So how does she think that would work? It's a completely open border with no controls! Would people in Gretna Green have to go into two weeks' quarantine if they'd been shopping in Carlisle?

Then there was an the announcement form the UK Education Secretary saying that they would look at fining parents who didn't send their kids back to school in September (which actually sounds sensible). But one of the teaching unions objected and said they should be encouraging not forcing. Like 'encouraging' is going to work with the more paranoid!

 

[Bobdogs]

What are the media going to do?
When the reality of what they have been signed up for sets in - the public wil turn against the lockdown.

And once the Government decides to accept the casualties it would be over in a handful of months..........

I'll

What was the old mantra, if you wanted to be successful in retail? The customer is king (or queen)!
Any of the supermarket chains that is the first to unpeel those dreadful floor stickers, abandon one-way systems, take staff off policing the queues, and put them back on the tills, will get 100% of my weekly grocery spend.
The brain-washed and terrified can continue to frequent the other retailers, if they want to keep their social distancing blankets.
Perhaps the people at Morrisons wil resurrect the old brand name they acquired when expanding from their Northern roots... and reposition themselves as Safeway once again

I like the 2 metre stickers for the checkout queues as they keep the chavs at a distance when I can't avoid them.

 

[MikeWM]

They won't release restrictions because the virus still exists and we are basically back where we ere in February.
We're now stuck like this until the Government decides to accept the casualties from the virus.

Exactly, that's the whole problem with the suppression strategy - it isn't much of a strategy at all, just a paniced response to delay the inevitable. Unfortunately in this case the costs of the delay are almost incalculably awful. I'm not sure why everyone didn't realise this at the start.

I think there is one small comfort and that is that I think the government has been incredibly lucky in that it would increasingly appear we are approaching herd immunity - as it appears it will happen at a level much lower than would have been originally expected. So we're not quite back where we starting in February, in my opinion.

But either we are, or we're not. Either way we need to learn what King Canute knew, and let nature do what it will do, as we should have done to start with. However, instead of that, we seem determined to carry on in a nether-world where we fear a 'second wave', forever, whether it may happen or not. I don't see that improving much until next Spring, unfortunately.

 

[Bikeman78]

The key word is also no "Known" underlying health condition as well.

I've lost all interest. If it gets me, it gets me. Yesterday I nearly got knocked off my bike by a Lorry. That puts things into perspective. And the incident yesterday won't stop me cycling.

 

[Skimpot flyer]

I'll
I like the 2 metre stickers for the checkout queues as they keep the chavs at a distance when I can't avoid them.

In my experience, your stereotypical beered-up chav is the least likely to stand 2m away in the queue. Plus the pitbull on the lead is even closer

 

[DB]

I've lost all interest. If it gets me, it gets me. Yesterday I nearly got knocked off my bike by a Lorry. That puts things into perspective. And the incident yesterday won't stop me cycling.

Likwise.

I'm more concerned about the enforced precautions - I find wearing masks very difficult, hence am having to avoid using trains or buses (and without a car, that is causing problems - I may have to buy a car).

 

[DB]

However, instead of that, we seem determined to carry on in a nether-world where we fear a 'second wave', forever, whether it may happen or not. I don't see that improving much until next Spring, unfortunately.

By next spring, if things carry on like this, half of the hostpitality / tourism industry will have gone bust!

 

[Jamiescott1]

Sainsburys put 2 metre high screens around each individual self checkout but then still only have every other one open

 

[HSTEd]

I'm betting the person who refused didn't get his own bottle out and sanitise immediately, though.

There is one thing that definitely does help, and it's good hand hygiene.

The tonnage of hand sanitiser required to keep this up indefinitely will cause serious problems moving forward.

Where do you think allt his stuff ends up?

Then there are the skin implications of having skin "sanitised" multiple times a day, every day, forever.

 

[Huntergreed]

A very doom-laden briefing from Sturgeon up in Scotland today. Constant reminders that “progress is very fragile” and that in autumn we may look back to just now and see that “this is as good as it’s going to get”. One particularly concerning thing I heard her say was that “life cannot and should not return to normal as we move into the autumn” and that she “will likely make some decisions that will not be popular with everyone”, but that her priority will be to get the levels of the virus “at or as close to elimination as possible” and that until this is achieved, “life simply cannot return to normal”.

She even made a plea to everyone that “even though we are opening more businesses, you should not be going out as much as you would before and you should only visit these places when it is safe and sensible to do so”, which in my opinion is economy-destroying advice.

 

[MikeWM]

By next spring, if things carry on like this, half of the hostpitality / tourism industry will have gone bust!

I don't think they care and if they ever work out that they need to, it will be too late.

 

[DB]

A very doom-laden briefing from Sturgeon up in Scotland today. Constant reminders that “progress is very fragile” and that in autumn we may look back to just now and see that “this is as good as it’s going to get”. One particularly concerning thing I heard her say was that “life cannot and should not return to normal as we move into the autumn” and that she “will likely make some decisions that will not be popular with everyone”, but that her priority will be to get the levels of the virus “at or as close to elimination as possible” and that until this is achieved, “life simply cannot return to normal”.

She even made a plea to everyone that “even though we are opening more businesses, you should not be going out as much as you would before and you should only visit these places when it is safe and sensible to do so”, which in my opinion is economy-destroying advice.

Her entire policy seems to be based on looking at what the UK government is doing, and taking it a good bit further.

 

[MikeWM]

The tonnage of hand sanitiser required to keep this up indefinitely will cause serious problems moving forward.

Where do you think allt his stuff ends up?

Then there are the skin implications of having skin "sanitised" multiple times a day, every day, forever.

And bacterial resistance. Already one of the most worrying things that is going to hit us really really soon. This makes the problem worse.

And the mental health implications of being told you're dirty and dangerous everywhere you go.

 

[birchesgreen]

By next spring, if things carry on like this, half of the hostpitality / tourism industry will have gone bust!

I think you are being overly optimistic.

 

[Huntergreed]

And bacterial resistance. Already one of the most worrying things that is going to hit us really really soon. This makes the problem worse.

And the mental health implications of being told you're dirty and dangerous everywhere you go.

True, but it clearly doesn't matter because it's not the big bad virus.

I do actually wonder as we're turning into a 'clean' society, could our decreased exposure to less harmful viruses and infections, particularly to some children, actually weaken our immune systems in the long term?

 

[adc82140]

A very doom-laden briefing from Sturgeon up in Scotland today. Constant reminders that “progress is very fragile” and that in autumn we may look back to just now and see that “this is as good as it’s going to get”. One particularly concerning thing I heard her say was that “life cannot and should not return to normal as we move into the autumn” and that she “will likely make some decisions that will not be popular with everyone”, but that her priority will be to get the levels of the virus “at or as close to elimination as possible” and that until this is achieved, “life simply cannot return to normal”.

She even made a plea to everyone that “even though we are opening more businesses, you should not be going out as much as you would before and you should only visit these places when it is safe and sensible to do so”, which in my opinion is economy-destroying advice.

Someone needs to tell her that the only virus ever eliminated is smallpox. The aim of restrictions has never been to eliminate anything, but bring it down to controllable levels. What next Nicola? Eliminating the common cold?

 

[MikeWM]

One particularly concerning thing I heard her say was that “life cannot and should not return to normal as we move into the autumn” and that she “will likely make some decisions that will not be popular with everyone”, but that her priority will be to get the levels of the virus “at or as close to elimination as possible” and that until this is achieved, “life simply cannot return to normal”.

"It became necessary to destroy the town to save it". That quote *used* to show when people were being really stupid. Now it seems the attitude is required of our wretched leaders.

 

[duncanp]

Her entire policy seems to be based on looking at what the UK government is doing, and taking it a good bit further.

Ms Sturgeon's entire policy seems to be based on using the COVID-19 crisis to maximise support for the SNP in next year's election, and support for Scottish independence thereafter.

Witness the proposal to quarantine English visitors to Scotland, barely a week after the anniversary of the Battle of Bannockburn (23rd/24th June)

She seems to be alluding to the words of Flower of Scotland in wanting to ..send them homeward, tae think again...

 

[MikeWM]

True, but it clearly doesn't matter because it's not the big bad virus.

I do actually wonder as we're turning into a 'clean' society, could our decreased exposure to less harmful viruses and infections, particularly to some children, actually weaken our immune systems in the long term?

Yes, very much so. And don't forget there are 'good' bacteria too, which we need to stay healthy. (That's why you often get brief digestive problems after a course of antibiotics, for example).

 

[DB]

Someone needs to tell her that the only virus ever eliminated is smallpox. The aim of restrictions has never been to eliminate anything, but bring it down to controllable levels. What next Nicola? Eliminating the common cold?

And let's not forget that the first Smallpox vaccine was in fact the first vaccine ever, devised by Edward Jenner in 1796. The last confirmed case was in 1977, and it was certified as eliminated in 1980.

So not far short of 200 years. Doesn't bode well for eliminating this virus quickly, even if a vaccine is developed...