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A career as a signaller

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Anyone had a rejection before stating due to the reason 'an unsatisfactory result regarding vision'?

Just a new one for me to get, wondered if others have had it before.


I had the same email today, called recruitment and they asked me if I have had an interview/medical which I haven't.
The woman I spoke to told me it is probably a mistake by the hiring manager to select the correct reason in a dropdown selection but will get some clarification.
 
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Tom Quinne

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Anyone had a rejection before stating due to the reason 'an unsatisfactory result regarding vision'?

Just a new one for me to get, wondered if others have had it before.

My vision isn't great anymore, certainly not PTS standard - when I had my medical I had to have a risk assessment undertaken to ensure I was able to see the workstation screens okay.

A chap at my location through illness only has one eye, another has a hearing aid. Is there a standard that can’t be adapted in defined circumstances to allow less than standard medical standards ?
 

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Excellent advice as always! I do wonder if my pulling the curtain back to reveal the wizard actually helps people here... :lol:

Im not just a scary face ! lol You read it all the time on the trainee driver threads, people trying to stick together scraps of info (hearsay) to work out where they are on the list or when they’ll get the call.

I remember all to well that wait, having so much hanging on the call or email to say your successful. But, working yourself up often with false hope given to you by others on a Internet forum will only lead to heartache when it turns out to be rubbish, or not actually now the system works.

I find the best way to live life is to live in a bubble of your own four walls, and only take notice of official information on headed note paper.
 

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Why do people try and over understand or analyse the whole process ?
Just put a good CV together with a stonking application, and try the best at the SHL tests then leave the rest to the relevant people.
There is literally nothing you can do once you’ve submitted your app, and completed the online assessments. Having any kind of understanding of how your score is calculated isn’t have any good in the real world.

i remember a day before forums, and the internet when you submitted you PAPER application and literally waited for the letter to arrive if your successful or not at all if you weren’t.

Good advice and exactly what I did, also learn from Your previous unseuccesful applications, think of how you could better answer The 69 questions and give better examples, answer questions at interview better, they will always be about safety and NTS. I did that and eventually was successful. Took a few goes though !
 

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Once candidates have been picked for interviews then everyone else will have their application terminated. Until that point they stay ‘under consideration’. The hiring manager does not have to pick any or all of the top 6 candidates, though Recruitment prefer that you do.
Ahh..makes sense. It makes you wonder why HR have so many status‘s, they would have less queries if they just had an application received then either successful or unsuccessful when sorted??

In reply to Tom: I’d say that from an outsider who has searched for some time for a worthwhile career change and finally found one that, I feel, not only really suits my skill set but that I’m increasingly fascinated by, that the forum not only provides some very useful insights and some real nuggets of help but you can’t help clutching at every straw when you start to want something really badly. It’s not easy to know if you have a good application or not, whether the 70 questions you have sent read right to someone else, or if the SHL test score was a high one or not. So naturally looking from the outside in, with all these variables and when you want a real life-changing decision to go YOUR way it’s hard not to get caught up in all the little details. Just my ten pence worth..

The guys that contribute regularly who are already employed in the job in various positions, your input is greatly appreciated and extremely helpful to those of us who (hopefully) will get there eventually...but some of us aren’t getting any younger and want to get there sooner rather than later! ;)
 

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Why do people try and over understand or analyse the whole process ?
Just put a good CV together with a stonking application, and try the best at the SHL tests then leave the rest to the relevant people.
There is literally nothing you can do once you’ve submitted your app, and completed the online assessments. Having any kind of understanding of how your score is calculated isn’t have any good in the real world.

i remember a day before forums, and the internet when you submitted you PAPER application and literally waited for the letter to arrive if your successful or not at all if you weren’t.

I want to understand so that I can give myself more of a chance. Thought that was obvious.
 

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you can’t help clutching at every straw when you start to want something really badly. It’s not easy to know if you have a good application or not, whether the 70 questions you have sent read right to someone else, or if the SHL test score was a high one or not. So naturally looking from the outside in, with all these variables and when you want a real life-changing decision to go YOUR way it’s hard not to get caught up in all the little details. Just my ten pence worth..

I think this is definitely it. With the SHL tests, 69 questions and CV all in play, and not a great deal of feedback as to where you tripped up when you get rejected it can be overwhelmingly tempting to try and ‘read the entrails’ to figure out where you went wrong.

Are my CV and 69 questions great but I screwed up the SHL? If so I definitely don’t want to change my CV. Is my SHL amazing but my CV rubbish? Who knows, but maybe I can divine something by the stage at which my application changed to unsuccessful, or how long I was at a certain stage for. As ILoveLamp says, this means so much to some of us and a total career change can be one of the 5 or 6 major life events, so it is only natural to get a little obsessive about it I think. I just hope it doesn’t get too irritating for other forum posters!
 

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But that’s the thing, you won’t find that out as you won’t receive the feedback! So knowing how things are done etc, won’t help you.
We have all been there, we have all completed the tests, the Cv and covering application, the endless waits, not knowing how we done..... It took me 18 months of rejections before I even got a job interview!!! Each time I got a rejection I kept tweaking and editing my cv and letter.... trying to improve it.

I understand your feelings, I’ve been there, but knowing the process etc won’t help you! All you can do is put in the best CV and letter you can, Try the best you can on the tests and apply for everything you can. And if your lucky enough and have a good enough application you will get there! It can be heartbreaking and annoying not knowing, but that is the system!

good luck all trying to get in, it really is worth all the hard work and the patience!
 

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Why do people try and over understand or analyse the whole process ?
Just put a good CV together with a stonking application, and try the best at the SHL tests then leave the rest to the relevant people.
There is literally nothing you can do once you’ve submitted your app, and completed the online assessments. Having any kind of understanding of how your score is calculated isn’t have any good in the real world.

i remember a day before forums, and the internet when you submitted you PAPER application and literally waited for the letter to arrive if your successful or not at all if you weren’t.

Absolutely spot on as usual. I've been thinking this for a while, but didn't want to be 'that guy' saying it.

If it's a job you want, then put your all into the application in the 1st place and then sit back, yes its frustrating but that's all you can do. If you've done a half arsed application then you don't deserve to get invited for interview etc.
There's no point worry about an application after putting it in, just keep your fingers crossed and if it's not meant to be, then dust yourself down, learn from it and go again, don't take it personally or beat yourself up about it, or even worse, play the victim and start complaining about how its someone else's fault that you weren't good enough on this occasion.

Its generally a long process with several applications, multiple interviews and unfortunately the inevitable rejection. This is how it goes for most people, it's extremely hard to get into the grade but it makes it all the sweeter when you finally do. For a lot of people in these uncertain times, this is a dream job, if you want it bad enough then you can get there but unfortunately its not for some, that may sound harsh but that's the truth of it.

Patience is key, the recruitment process is slow, its frustrating, but it will definitely be worth it.
 

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Much like recruitment for train driving the initial bar has been raised a lot over the years. As terms and conditions have improved there is *far* more competition these days. When I first became a signalman I did a very simple short arithmetic test (which I think was just a local thing) and a straightforward half hour interview. I got the job at my first attempt because not many people wanted to become a low graded signalman in those days. The pay was dreadful and the quality of staff we got by and large reflected that. We did not have policemen and firemen leaving their services in droves to join the railway.

The hoops we make people jump through have got higher because the job has become comparatively more attractive and we have the luxury of needing to thin out numbers a bit. I have every sympathy for candidates trying to get out of a pretty crappy job market into a secure well paid role these days. That is why I am here, I want to help people who aspire to join the grade because I believe we should try to get the best people in the door.

All the above is just my own opinion!
 
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The thing is that the answers to all of these recruitment process questions have been answered multiple times already (mostly by LOM!!). You only really need to go back a couple of pages in fact.
The best thing a prospective signaler could do to help his/her prospects is to read all 329 pages of this thread - that shows initiative if nothing else :)
 

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Much like recruitment for train driving the initial bar has been raised a lot over the years... When I first became a signalman I did a very simple short arithmetic test (which I think was just a local thing) and a straightforward half hour interview.

I’ve heard tales of BR-era interviews consisting of a 5-minute box tour and one question: ‘Can you get here for XX.XX on a Sunday morning?’

Different times...
 

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The thing is that the answers to all of these recruitment process questions have been answered multiple times already (mostly by LOM!!). You only really need to go back a couple of pages in fact.
The best thing a prospective signaler could do to help his/her prospects is to read all 329 pages of this thread - that shows initiative if nothing else :)
I am part way reading through this thread again for the third time.
 

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Shifts are 05:15 - 14:30 and 14:30 - 00:00 Monday to Saturday. 08:00 - 1400 and 14:00 - 00:00 Sunday.

Long weekend Friday - Tuesday in weeks 1 / 2 and a Wednesday and Thursday off in week 3 then repeat. With some random extra days throughout the year.

Progression opportunities are either into a local relief job (Grade 3 + 24% not 32%), or into a grade 7 at Carlisle. There's no boxes higher than a 3 apart from Barrow but that's a long way from Workington.
Thanks for the reply, appreciate it. So just mornings and backs? No Nightshift working?
 
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The thing is that the answers to all of these recruitment process questions have been answered multiple times already (mostly by LOM!!). You only really need to go back a couple of pages in fact.
The best thing a prospective signaler could do to help his/her prospects is to read all 329 pages of this thread - that shows initiative if nothing else :)

This is true, although I suspect we have all been guilty of not using the search option as thoroughly as we could have at times!

The point that Tom made about over analysing applications is a valid one, but equally its very hard not to want to know how you've done - particularly if its your first application. However once you've submitted a few then you know the routine and accept that all you can do is sit back and wait for that email inviting you to an interview!
 

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I found having circa 20 applications on the go at one time evened out the stress - I kid you not, at the height of my journey I was applying for every outside London I could formulate a plan to get to I could!
 

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You only need to look at how many jobs there are on the internal list at the moment to see that its worth applying for anything within a suitable area to get your foot in the door. After a suitable period to get comfortable in your first post you can then look to zero in on your perfect role with so much more to choose from...
 

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Am I right in believing there is a new max 60 hour working week being introduced?
I was wandering if this will affect certain shift rosters especially 8 hour patterns. I have seen some 8 hour patterns with a run of 8 or 9 shifts on the bounce, this obviously being more than the 60 hours?
 

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Am I right in believing there is a new max 60 hour working week being introduced?
I was wandering if this will affect certain shift rosters especially 8 hour patterns. I have seen some 8 hour patterns with a run of 8 or 9 shifts on the bounce, this obviously being more than the 60 hours?


Even if you do six 8hr shifts and a 12hr shift on a Sunday... still only adds up to 60hrs.... so unless I am seriously misunderstanding this there shouldn't be an issue for those on mainly 8hr shifts.

More likely to affect those on 12hr shifts that do stacks of overtime...
 

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I appreciate that this thread (What a thread!) is more based towards signallers, but I have just been looking around and I noticed a MOM job on the external Network Rail careers page after a quick search on here I thought I would throw my hat in the ring. However does anyone know if the SHL tests are required for a MOM position as well as a signaller?
I have only done a quick search as this page is more based towards Signallers and my time was running out, closing date today so I thought I would send off my CV and see what comes of it.

Thanks for all you help and advice folks, many, many questions have been asked and answered with some outstanding information.

Thanks all
 

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I appreciate that this thread (What a thread!) is more based towards signallers, but I have just been looking around and I noticed a MOM job on the external Network Rail careers page after a quick search on here I thought I would throw my hat in the ring. However does anyone know if the SHL tests are required for a MOM position as well as a signaller?
I have only done a quick search as this page is more based towards Signallers and my time was running out, closing date today so I thought I would send off my CV and see what comes of it.
If that particular role requires signalling competency then you would have to do the SHL tests and go to signalling school. Not all areas require their MOMs to be signalling competent and able to work a shift as a signaller if needed. Some MOMs never set foot in a signalbox.
 
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Even if you do six 8hr shifts and a 12hr shift on a Sunday... still only adds up to 60hrs.... so unless I am seriously misunderstanding this there shouldn't be an issue for those on mainly 8hr shifts.

More likely to affect those on 12hr shifts that do stacks of overtime...

So as soon as I hit 60hrs in a week that it I can’t do anymore hours?
 

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So as soon as I hit 60hrs in a week that it I can’t do anymore hours?

I don't know what the ins and outs are and how it will be applied... just going on the max hours people have quoted on here. Possibly it will be averaged out over say a month? Currently, you can opt out of the restrictions under the Working Time Directives- I recall signing a form saying I was happy to do excess hours - I presume this will be stopped???
 

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If that particular role requires signalling competency then you would have to do the SHL tests and go to signalling school. Not all areas require their MOMs to be signalling competent and able to work a shift as a signaller if needed. Some MOMs never set foot in a signalbox.

Thanks LOM.

Thank you for all the time that you put into this valuable resource, I for one greatly appreciate all the time and answers that you and others like Tom Quinne provide.
 

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I’ve heard tales of BR-era interviews consisting of a 5-minute box tour and one question: ‘Can you get here for XX.XX on a Sunday morning?’

Different times...
I once had an interview, during my days as a bus driver. The hiring manager basically confirmed I wanted a job and asked when I could start. It was all over in a couple of minutes. I started with that company about two weeks later.
 

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So as soon as I hit 60hrs in a week that it I can’t do anymore hours?
I haven't been involved in those discussions, however, I believe that once you reach the 60 hour mark then your respective LOM has to risk assess your role and have a development plan to accomodate your hours worked.

Don't get me wrong some overtime is always appreciated, but these days I also enjoy the fact that if I want to work a four-day week, I can.
 

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I haven't been involved in those discussions, however, I believe that once you reach the 60 hour mark then your respective LOM has to risk assess your role and have a development plan to accomodate your hours worked.

Don't get me wrong some overtime is always appreciated, but these days I also enjoy the fact that if I want to work a four-day week, I can.

I don’t mind working 6 on to be honest, I want to get out of here by the time I’m 55 so the RDW comes in handy to pay off the mortgage - the only reason why I’m smashing it to be honest.
 

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