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Theres currently no buses in the Ocean Green "Specialist" livery - 26026 which was originally is now in the Local Blue scheme.

So, they've got over seven thousand buses/coaches to paint... they paint three into the new liveries for the big photo shoot (one "blue", one "green", one "yellow")... and then instead of starting painting other buses out of the old livery, one of the first things that they do is repaint one of the "green" ones into the "blue" livery?

It's like they put Matt Hancock in charge of repaints, so he can count 26026 as two repainted buses! o_O

I know it's only a minor thing but (after the way they seem to have confused themselves over something as simple as what colour to paint the front of the bus - in the livery that will apply to the vast majority of the fleet in future!), they really seem to be making a ham fisted attempt at these repaints - this isn't the level of professionalism that Stagecoach used to be so good at - it's like a step back in time to the Scottish Bus Group days (when local operators didn't worry about things like "standards").

Looking on Quack 77 fleet lists, if reasonably accurate, then it will take 20-25 years to repaint the whole fleet at the current rate! Not exactly getting the new brand out there, so why bother?

I appreciate that it appears slow for now, but if you assume that they buy each vehicle brand new (i.e. already in the new livery) and they'll replace about 7% of the fleet each year (if the average life expectancy of a vehicle in the Stagecoach fleet is around fifteen years - some vehicles may be sold second hand before they are life expired) then even if they only repaint 5% of the fleet each year then after a couple of years a quarter of vehicles will be in the new livery - it won't take long until there's a critical mass of buses in the new schemes (assuming they focus attention on repainting the 18/68/19/69-plate buses and ignore the oldest ones in the fleet)*

* - when First introduced their "Olympia" livery in South Yorkshire in 2012, one of the first vehicles to get repainted was an R-reg B10BLE (i.e. a vehicle that should have already been scrapped was trundling around in the new livery whilst dozens of buses that were only a year or two old continued to carry the "Barbie" livery for a few years)
 
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I appreciate that it appears slow for now, but if you assume that they buy each vehicle brand new (i.e. already in the new livery) and they'll replace about 7% of the fleet each year (if the average life expectancy of a vehicle in the Stagecoach fleet is around fifteen years - some vehicles may be sold second hand before they are life expired) then even if they only repaint 5% of the fleet each year then after a couple of years a quarter of vehicles will be in the new livery - it won't take long until there's a critical mass of buses in the new schemes (assuming they focus attention on repainting the 18/68/19/69-plate buses and ignore the oldest ones in the fleet)*

* - when First introduced their "Olympia" livery in South Yorkshire in 2012, one of the first vehicles to get repainted was an R-reg B10BLE (i.e. a vehicle that should have already been scrapped was trundling around in the new livery whilst dozens of buses that were only a year or two old continued to carry the "Barbie" livery for a few years)

Focus at the moment seems to be on midlife vehicles rather than newer stuff, which makes sense. There's no point repainting 18 plate or newer vehicles when they're still relatively fresh and there's older vehicles in need of repaint. That being said a number of Pointers (Same age currently as that B10BLE you mention) have been repainted already...
 

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I have a Spreadsheet detailing all of the (known) Stagecoach vehicles in the new livery and you can view it here.

I make it 103 vehicles currently in one of the new liveries, 11 of which have been delivered new in the new scheme.
 

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Just a quick question...
I have spotted two Stagecoach vehicles in new livery in my local area. I didn't get their reg numbers but I know they are different because one had a yellow-orange front panel and one had white.
Does anyone know what the discrepancy in colours means? Does it signify what type of route they're supposed to operate on?
 

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That's quite an unfair assumption to make given there's an ongoing pandemic and some paint shops have been closed for the best part of the last 2 months.
I accept it was a bit ‘tongue in cheek’ but I would have thought that now would be a good time to crack on with repainted whilst the demands on the fleets is low.
 

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Let‘s hope that it had all been shelved. In a few years time the local companies will be able to bring in Best Impressions and adapt the livery.
 
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I accept it was a bit ‘tongue in cheek’ but I would have thought that now would be a good time to crack on with repainted whilst the demands on the fleets is low.
That's an assumption I made too, with large chunks of fleets lying around doing nothing, and the normal levels of PPE needed when painting anyway, it feels to me that it shouldn't be a task that's overly difficult to introduce extra protection and social distancing to?

Missed opportunity springs to mind!
 

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Let‘s hope that it had all been shelved. In a few years time the local companies will be able to bring in Best Impressions and adapt the livery.
That's post wins an award for one of the most ridiculous comments I've heard in a while.

Put the 2020 and beachball liveries side by side and you can quite clearly see Beachball was outdated and in need of renewal.
 

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Put the 2020 and beachball liveries side by side and you can quite clearly see Beachball was outdated and in need of renewal.
I have to agree with you. I don't like the updated version - it's a bit plain in my opinion - but Beachball is starting to look "retro" at this point and it really shows compared to the much more modern designs of the Go-Ahead Group, Transdev, First Bus and even Arriva.
 

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I'd go with "timeless" myself - one of the best bus liveries ever, in part because it, after many years, still doesn't look dated to me.

I agree with Ross, it was becoming dated and it didn't sit on the E200MMC or E400MMC very well, it was also a pest to maintain as the red on the rear would fade quickly and the "off white" would get water staining under the windows. Not that the new scheme is any improvement however...
 

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I agree with Ross, it was becoming dated and it didn't sit on the E200MMC or E400MMC very well, it was also a pest to maintain as the red on the rear would fade quickly and the "off white" would get water staining under the windows. Not that the new scheme is any improvement however...

What, this?

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E200MMC in Stagecoach beachball livery

I think there's barely a bus it's looked better on. Truly timeless. Looks good on the E400MMC too.

They could probably have done a new logo, though I'll be honest the font on the new one looks childish and primary school like. I still just can't stand a single element of the new design - it isn't even a grower, it's just awful. And they've kept the actual logo beachball itself - if any element was dated it's that.
 

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What, this?

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E200MMC in Stagecoach beachball livery

I think there's barely a bus it's looked better on. Truly timeless.

The way the blue on the front doesn't line up with the skirts is hideous. Likewise the effect of the "beachball" is very much lost with the black above the windows. Beachball was at it's best on the ALX's and early Enviros, those buses are moving on from the fleet now and it was about time the livery did too.
I would also say that calling it timeless is very debatable, likewise with Stripes. Both liveries very much fit and define their era. Circles and swoops were very much the rage in the early 00s, they're not now.
 
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Aside from the actual colour application, I note that the images posted of the new scheme show less emphasis on red and more emphasis on green. Pushing environmental credentials, or the designer had red/green colourblindness? :)
 

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Aside from the actual colour application, I note that the images posted of the new scheme show less emphasis on red and more emphasis on green. Pushing environmental credentials, or the designer had red/green colourblindness? :)

As i noted in an above comment the red would fade really quickly after repaint, hence it being cut out of the new schemes.
 

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That's post wins an award for one of the most ridiculous comments I've heard in a while.

Put the 2020 and beachball liveries side by side and you can quite clearly see Beachball was outdated and in need of renewal.
I prefer the beachball livery, because that's the Stagecoach identity. I just think it was a bit unnecessary to get a new livery.
 

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Steven Knight Media reports today (10/6/20) that two E400H hybrids have received the new Magicbus livery.
 

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It's the Specialist Green livery, albeit blue. I've had a few photos sent to me but can't share them as I don't know who their original owner is.
 

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It's the Specialist Green livery, albeit blue. I've had a few photos sent to me but can't share them as I don't know who their original owner is.
I see. That will probably cause some confusion along the Oxford Road corridor as Magic Buses have always historically been blue, while the Specialist Green livery is primarily white.
 

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I see. That will probably cause some confusion along the Oxford Road corridor as Magic Buses have always historically been blue, while the Specialist Green livery is primarily white.
The front is all blue - so the only difference between Magic and 'normal' livery will be a bit of white underneath the windscreen...
 

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I think they should have used that as there local livery. Looks more professional than all the different colours.
 
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