Mikey C
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The Voyagers are poorly designed, but most of the hate is surely due to them being too small? Personally I prefer sitting inside one to a Pendolino, at least the windows are a decent size.
The Voyagers are poorly designed, but most of the hate is surely due to them being too small? Personally I prefer sitting inside one to a Pendolino, at least the windows are a decent size.
Most hated Pendolinos, i feel claustrophobic on them, interior is drab & in need of a refurb, the feeling of wanting to spew up when they tilt. Also the constant bombardment of health & safety & security announcements
I share your views. Most Hated for me is travelling with Cross Country. The overcrowded and down at heel Voyagers, which seem to be getting tattier every time i go on one, and that dreadful reservation sytem. On a recent journey, i was moved 3 times, each time the seat wasnt reserved when i sat there. You cant sit back and enjoy the journey, cos you are constantly worried about occupying a reserved seat.Most interesting: I haven't travelled on all lines in the country but the most interesting would probably have to be Newcastle to Aberdeen on the East Coast Mainline. A good mixture of coast, countryside, cities and bridges. GWR from Exeter to Penzance is also quite varied/interesting for similar reasons.
Most nostalgic: The Heart of Wessex Line from Bristol to Weymouth. It reminds me of many childhood summer weekend trips to the beach. The rolling countryside, the feeling of being on a rural line, tiny request stops, full carriages of lively beach goers. Air blowing in through the hopper windows and down the carriage and a beach at the end. Nice!
Most boring: I'm very fortunate that my commute to work is through countryside that never gets dull. I can't really think of that much that's boring about the railway really. Sections of lines that are underground and have no view at all, maybe!
Most hated: Not a fan of Voyagers, they're noisy, smelly and cramped. They're fine if they're light loaded but they rarely are from the journeys I've made. I'm also not a fan of drama caused by reservations, especially electronic reservations when the system fails and it leads to arguments and confrontation. Also, when TOCs seem to adopt a different policy by insisting everyone sits in their reserved seats when the system is not working. It's annoying waiting to be turfed out of a seat constantly as you can't tell where they've been reserved between. Once, I saw a lady who moved about 4 times due to this on a XC Voyager and when it happened a fifth time, she refused to move again. I would actually do away with automatic reservations for advance fares similar to what TfW/ATW do and only offer them on bookings of 4 people or more, those using senior railcards and those with disabled persons railcards. Yes, it might be positive discrimination but I'm not in any of these groups and feel like everyone would be far happier. Maybe have a limited number of reservations available for people who phone/e-mail and request one, but have the majority/ the default as counted spaces only. Also, make it a condition that reservations do not apply if they are not displayed in the carriage. Maybe also printed on the tickets too. Back to reality, I also don't like when IC or regional train services don't have an unreserved carriage.
Most interesting: definitely a trip from Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh in autumn or early winter (Oct/Nov/Dec) when the light and the colours of the landscape are at their most dramatic- a huge variety of scenery and weather conditions (east coast, mountain and moorland interior, west coast) combined with much in the way of interesting Highland Railway infrastructure and a few quirky request halts which serve cute wee crofting townships/remote communities (it’s always interesting seeing which halts will be used on a given trip), as well as some great craic from the Inverness and Kyle conductors who are always enthusiastic and fun to travel with, and a truly incredible view of the Isle of Skye and other islands at the end. For some reason I’ve always preferred this route to the Isles to the Mallaig line (although that is absolutely amazing too).
Most nostalgic: definitely Mk2 and Mk3 stock with drop lights (particularly on HSTs, the Caledonian sleeper and the Norwich push-pull sets). I miss these and find them a lot more comfortable than the modern stock that replaced them (although I can see why a lot of commuters and casual travellers, and probably staff too, were glad to see the back of them).
Most boring: struggling to think of one, as I find most aspects of rail travel interesting, but (the views of Ely Cathedral and the Great Ouse at Ely and Littleport aside) I’ve never found the stretch of line between Ely and Kings Lynn to have much of note (whether from a scenic or infrastructure point of view, and the Class 387s, functional though they are, don‘t exactly do much to make it memorable).
Most hated: the extent of overcrowding on many long-distance services (LNER, CrossCountry and also Scotrail between Edinburgh and Inverness were the main culprits here in pre-virus days). Sometimes (before lockdown) the overcrowding on these services at peak times was so bad you couldn‘t even get to a reserved seat in first class.
Most interesting: I haven't travelled on all lines in the country but the most interesting would probably have to be Newcastle to Aberdeen on the East Coast Mainline. A good mixture of coast, countryside, cities and bridges. GWR from Exeter to Penzance is also quite varied/interesting for similar reasons.
Most nostalgic: The Heart of Wessex Line from Bristol to Weymouth. It reminds me of many childhood summer weekend trips to the beach. The rolling countryside, the feeling of being on a rural line, tiny request stops, full carriages of lively beach goers. Air blowing in through the hopper windows and down the carriage and a beach at the end. Nice!
Most boring: I'm very fortunate that my commute to work is through countryside that never gets dull. I can't really think of that much that's boring about the railway really. Sections of lines that are underground and have no view at all, maybe!
Most hated: Not a fan of Voyagers, they're noisy, smelly and cramped. They're fine if they're light loaded but they rarely are from the journeys I've made. I'm also not a fan of drama caused by reservations, especially electronic reservations when the system fails and it leads to arguments and confrontation. Also, when TOCs seem to adopt a different policy by insisting everyone sits in their reserved seats when the system is not working. It's annoying waiting to be turfed out of a seat constantly as you can't tell where they've been reserved between. Once, I saw a lady who moved about 4 times due to this on a XC Voyager and when it happened a fifth time, she refused to move again. I would actually do away with automatic reservations for advance fares similar to what TfW/ATW do and only offer them on bookings of 4 people or more, those using senior railcards and those with disabled persons railcards. Yes, it might be positive discrimination but I'm not in any of these groups and feel like everyone would be far happier. Maybe have a limited number of reservations available for people who phone/e-mail and request one, but have the majority/ the default as counted spaces only. Also, make it a condition that reservations do not apply if they are not displayed in the carriage. Maybe also printed on the tickets too. Back to reality, I also don't like when IC or regional train services don't have an unreserved carriage.
I quite like the Mid Cheshire Line a route of many contrasts :Most interesting - contrary to most, I find the humble Pacers and Sprinters (apart from one I have mentioned later on) that have served my local area for the past 3 decades to be my main interest. Certain types of late 1980s/early-mid 1990s EMUs interest me as well.
Most nostalgic - going up the Coast between Hull and Bridlington/Scarborough on a 158 in Serco-Abellio Northern spec. Have been doing it for a long time and I hope to do it once more before they all get ironing-boarded.
Most boring - something like the Mid-Cheshire Line. Painfully slow and nothing of real interest to look at.
Most hated - any 319 or 150 operated by Northern.
The Voyagers are poorly designed, but most of the hate is surely due to them being too small? Personally I prefer sitting inside one to a Pendolino, at least the windows are a decent size.
The kyle line is the one stretch of line in Scotland ive not done along with the Wick branch.
In my opinion there's nothing wrong with voyagers per say, simply they are used on completely the wrong routes, don't have enough carriages and were unfortunate in that they replaced HSTs which were far better designed and far better suited to the routes they were used on. I'm afraid you just can't compete with an HST.
Voyagers would have been great on something like Transpennine.
Wouldn't they have struggled for capacity on Transpennine as well? A 4 car 220 barely has more standard class seats than a 3 car 185.