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Jorge Da Silva
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No capacity at Birmingham New Street or Wolverhampton Corridor. Maybe post-HS2 or Post-Midlands Hub
StephenHunter
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They'd need sufficient demand to justify it too.
Jorge Da Silva
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Hopefully there maybe some capacity left at Euston (there was for Grand Central and extra Blackpool services by Virgin) soooo
Jorge Da Silva
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There maybe demand for a service to Cardiff or Bristol and a faster service to Birmingham rather than the slower LNWR service.
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There are NO extra HSTs for XC.
Jorge Da Silva
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Surely if there are extra's they should go on the existing network first to relieve congestion and double up voyagers elsewhere. LNER's HST's are going to EMR until the end of the year when they will get replaced.
The LNER HSTs will then follow the EMR HSTs to the scrapyard.
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This implies otherwise unless lockdown really is getting to me in which case off to Vision Express I trot:
Longer trains and more seats for passengers across the Midlands
CrossCountry passengers to benefit from £2.5 million in new government funding.
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It isn’t happening. Just how many threads do we have to have about so called “spare HSTs” and XC?
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It’s about using the HSTs XC already have, on more days of the week, and a few extra 170 centre vehicles. It’s been covered in numerous previous discussions.This implies otherwise unless lockdown really is getting to me in which case off to Vision Express I trot:
Longer trains and more seats for passengers across the Midlands
CrossCountry passengers to benefit from £2.5 million in new government funding.www.gov.uk
You can multiply out the capacity of a couple of 170 carriages making 10 short return trips a day, 7 days a week, and see how easy it is to make 1000s of seats per week. It’s mostly DfT spin...
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No it doesn't. Read it more carefully. They are getting two extra power cars which will enable them to run more of their existing HST carriages.This implies otherwise unless lockdown really is getting to me in which case off to Vision Express I trot:
Longer trains and more seats for passengers across the Midlands
CrossCountry passengers to benefit from £2.5 million in new government funding.
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Right thanks, and that'll enable Vomiters to run in pairs elsewhere. So nothing for Liverpool. Sorry Liverpool; you'll still have to travel via Wolverhampton, Manchester or Leeds. I think Wolves guarantees a same platform change more than Stafford.
Jorge Da Silva
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There isn't any capacity via Birmingham to operate to Liverpool without axing a Manchester service and diverting it to Liverpool (which considering they are busy is a bad idea)
Most of the threads on this note that it simply isn't practical for any location to have through trains to every other one. As an example, Leeds and Bournemouth are both on the XC network - there aren't any through trains between them, Cardiff and Sheffield are both on the XC network - no through trains there either. I don't get the fixation with Liverpool needing to be linked with destinations south of Birmingham.
Liverpool and Birmingham are connected twice every hour. Manchester and Birmingham are connected twice every hour. Where the trains go after Birmingham is of pretty much no consequence to a large percentage of their users. The trains which run between Manchester and Birmingham are serviced at Longsight in Manchester, the trains which run between Liverpool and Birmingham are serviced at Crewe.
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I’d like to point out that there was a very similar “XC and Liverpool” discussion in the speculation forum just over a week ago:
I think it all stems back to 2003 when Liverpool lost its connections beyond Birmingham via virgin xc when all these Services were withdrawn sadly.
How will more power cars alone add to capacity? Or will it mean the carriages they have spend more time in service?
Exactly. If you have 12 power cars, rather than 10, there is more opportunity to have down time for servicing and the carriages can spend more time in service - eg four takes in service and one spare.
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The latter. With hindsight it’s been fairly obvious that every HST operator had a certain proportion of spare power cars to take total numbers well above twice the number of coach sets. I find it odd that XC have taken over ten years to work that out...
Right, but that requires it to be run by Transport for Wales who will run it to Cardiff, not the South West of England.
Currently planned by December 2022 (by extending the Halton Curve service)
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Isn't it going via Chester and Wrexham rather than Chester and Crewe?
Right, but that requires it to be run by Transport for Wales who will run it to Cardiff, not the South West of England.
Currently planned by December 2022 (by extending the Halton Curve service)
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“Require it to be run by Transport for Wales”? Is that true for all services that cross the Welsh border and if so, how are GWR, XC and Avanti allowed to run services in the Welsh nation?
Jorge Da Silva
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TfW basically manages the Wales & Borders franchise. It was a franchise commitment to run the Cardiff to Liverpool service from 2022
It has nothing to do with the Welsh border. I was relating to the fact that north-south services through Shrewsbury are deemed to be part of the Wales & Borders franchise. Are you suggesting that another operator would choose / be able to run services from Liverpool via Shrewsbury to the South West of England, in competition with Transport for Wales?
I wasn't referring to the future Liv-CF service but a possible XC service Liv-TM and beyond. The N-S through Salop has to be TFW rule puts the mockers on it despite not calling at any Welsh stations.
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Except that XC are only diagramming four sets per day. The current 10 power cars (i.e. 80% availability required) is in theory enough but a) a small fleet means a failed power car has a disproportionate effect and b) Laira are glacially slow at heavy maintenance these days.
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