Bus operator owned and managed bus stations

[markymark2000]

Can anyone name some bus stations which are owned or managed by the bus operators. I have a list to start us off but any extras would be appreciated. A normal hint to who owns and runs the bus station is by if the companies logo is on the safety signs approaching the bus station. Please do not assume who owns a bus station by them being a sole operator there (because as per examples below, this isn't a good indicator) or because bus timetables show a company style (some areas allow bus operators to put their own styling on timetables for example WY Metro allowing Transdev to put their Transdev branded stuff at their stands in bus stations)

Arriva
Owned + Managed: Alnwick, Blyth, Crewe & Wakefield
Managed: Guildford (only stands 1-15)

First
Owned + Managed: Bath, Bristol, Camborne, St Ives
Managed: Basildon, Fareham, Otley


GoAhead
Owned + Managed:
Managed: Poole (Under MoreBus brand), Norwich


Stagecoach
Owned + Managed: Aldershot, Canterbury, Carlisle, Chichester, Exeter (for the time being), Folkestone, Paignton, Workington
Managed:


Transdev
Owned + Managed: Harrogate
Managed: Burnley

Independants
Owned + Managed: Belper (TrentBarton)
Managed: Sevenoaks (Go-Coach)

Many entries are thanks to contributors below.

 

[WM Bus]

First:
Taunton

Camborne and St Ives Bus Stations are owned and ran by First I think.

 

[Surreyman]

Can anyone name some bus stations which are owned or ran by the bus operators. I have a list to start us off but any extras would be appreciated. A normal hint to who owns and runs the bus station is by if the companies logo is on the safety signs approaching the bus station. Please do not assume who owns a bus station by them being a sole operator there (because as per examples below, this isn't a good indicator) or because bus timetables show a company style (some areas allow bus operators to put their own styling on timetables for example WY Metro allowing Transdev to put their Transdev branded stuff at their stands in bus stations)

Arriva:
Alnwick Crewe, Guildford and Wakefield

First:
Taunton

GoAhead:
Poole (Under MoreBus brand)

Stagecoach:
Aldershot, Chichester and Cwmbran, Paignton

Transdev:
Harrogate

Guilford (Friary) is not owned by Arriva.

 

[sk688]

Bath and Bristol are owned by First IIRC

 

[markymark2000]

Guilford (Friary) is not owned by Arriva.

Managed by Arriva if not owned as stated in the below document.

https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/globalassets/documents/global-pages/about-us/guildford-bus-station-access-conditions---02.08.18.pdf

 

[Pat1105]

Can anyone name some bus stations which are owned or ran by the bus operators. I have a list to start us off but any extras would be appreciated. A normal hint to who owns and runs the bus station is by if the companies logo is on the safety signs approaching the bus station. Please do not assume who owns a bus station by them being a sole operator there (because as per examples below, this isn't a good indicator) or because bus timetables show a company style (some areas allow bus operators to put their own styling on timetables for example WY Metro allowing Transdev to put their Transdev branded stuff at their stands in bus stations)

Arriva:
Alnwick Crewe, Guildford and Wakefield

First:
Taunton

GoAhead:
Poole (Under MoreBus brand)

Stagecoach:
Aldershot, Chichester and Cwmbran, Paignton

Transdev:
Harrogate

Stagecoach don’t own Cwmbran bus station, its owned by Prudential.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Can anyone name some bus stations which are owned or ran by the bus operators. I have a list to start us off but any extras would be appreciated. A normal hint to who owns and runs the bus station is by if the companies logo is on the safety signs approaching the bus station. Please do not assume who owns a bus station by them being a sole operator there (because as per examples below, this isn't a good indicator) or because bus timetables show a company style (some areas allow bus operators to put their own styling on timetables for example WY Metro allowing Transdev to put their Transdev branded stuff at their stands in bus stations)

Arriva:
Alnwick Crewe, Guildford and Wakefield

First:
Taunton

GoAhead:
Poole (Under MoreBus brand)

Stagecoach:
Aldershot, Chichester and Cwmbran, Paignton

Transdev:
Harrogate

Taunton has closed. Cwmbran is not owned by Stagecoach but the owner of the shopping centre, Prudential - was raised in the Phil Anslow case. Not certain who owns Chelmsford though?

First
St Ives
Camborne
Bristol
Bath

Go Ahead
Pocklington
(don't know if they own Poole)

Transdev
Malton
Harrogate

Arriva
Wakefield
Alnwick
Blyth
Crewe (awaiting development)

Stagecoach
Chichester
Folkestone
Dover (though it's just an office and a parking area with some roadside stops)
Workington
Carlisle
Paignton
Exeter (for the time being)

 

[markymark2000]

Stagecoach don’t own Cwmbran bus station, its owned by Prudential.

Taunton has closed. Cwmbran is not owned by Stagecoach but the owner of the shopping centre, Prudential - was raised in the Phil Anslow case. Not certain who owns Chelmsford though?

Is Stagecoach the manager of the bus station then? I thought that is why Phil Anslow made the case against Stagecoach being anti competitive by stopping them going in the bus station.

First
St Ives
Camborne
Bristol
Bath

Go Ahead
Pocklington
(don't know if they own Poole)

Transdev
Malton
Harrogate

Arriva
Wakefield
Alnwick
Blyth
Crewe (awaiting development)

Stagecoach
Chichester
Folkestone
Dover (though it's just an office and a parking area with some roadside stops)
Workington
Carlisle

Is Pocklington even a bus station? It's just a stop in the garage.
Poole is managed by MoreBus (based off all the safety signs up having More logos on them.
Dover, who is responsible for the management of the bus station? That looks very much like it's actually just council bus stops and Stagecoach only own the office/travel shop and the land next to it which is used for parking buses on layover. The actual street is council property and therefore I am interested in more details here.

 

[darloscott]

Fairly certain Transdev manage the new bus station at Rawtenstall

 

[Stan Drews]

Fairly certain Transdev manage the new bus station at Rawtenstall

They do. They also manage Blackburn, Burnley and Keighley bus stations.

 

[Stan Drews]

Stagecoach own and manage St.Andrews bus station.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Is Stagecoach the manager of the bus station then? I thought that is why Phil Anslow made the case against Stagecoach being anti competitive by stopping them going in the bus station.

No - Stagecoach commented on the Phil Anslow case that 'Stagecoach says it does not control how the stands are allocated, and that it had gone through the “proper process” to apply for stand space “just like any other operator.”'

Is Pocklington even a bus station? It's just a stop in the garage.
Poole is managed by MoreBus (based off all the safety signs up having More logos on them.
Dover, who is responsible for the management of the bus station? That looks very much like it's actually just council bus stops and Stagecoach only own the office/travel shop and the land next to it which is used for parking buses on layover. The actual street is council property and therefore I am interested in more details here.

Pocklington was always listed as Pocklington bus station (as opposed to Elloughton which is listed as EY Depot) and used to have public toilets. It also used to have a portacabin enquiry office inside the depot. However, it is now listed as EY depot....for as long as that lasts, so fair enough.

Poole may be operated by GSC but I suspect it's owned by Legal and General who own the Dolphin Centre.

Dover consists of the parking area and travel office facilities. Those are owned by Stagecoach. However, the roadside stops should are probably local authority managed. So depends what you mean by "bus station" - literally just the stands themselves or other ancillary structures?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

They do. They also manage Blackburn, Burnley and Keighley bus stations.

IIRC, they oddly used to manage Chorley bus station. Do they also manage Accrington and Nelson?

 

[markymark2000]

No - Stagecoach commented on the Phil Anslow case that 'Stagecoach says it does not control how the stands are allocated, and that it had gone through the “proper process” to apply for stand space “just like any other operator.”'




Pocklington was always listed as Pocklington bus station (as opposed to Elloughton which is listed as EY Depot) and used to have public toilets. It also used to have a portacabin enquiry office inside the depot. However, it is now listed as EY depot....for as long as that lasts, so fair enough.

Poole may be operated by GSC but I suspect it's owned by Legal and General who own the Dolphin Centre.

Dover consists of the parking area and travel office facilities. Those are owned by Stagecoach. However, the roadside stops should are probably local authority managed. So depends what you mean by "bus station" - literally just the stands themselves or other ancillary structures?

I was going to put a definition in. I would define a bus station a being a collection of stands (at least 3 stands available) in an area reserved for buses and vehicles serving the station. I wouldn't class a few road side bus stops as a bus station. It's difficult really as some of the features I would associate with the bus station are relevant to the road side stops and vice versa.

The description does state about managing and owning bus stations therefore Poole would be included.

Stagecoach own and manage St.Andrews bus station.

That's in Scotland.

They do. They also manage Blackburn, Burnley and Keighley bus stations.

IIRC, they oddly used to manage Chorley bus station. Do they also manage Accrington and Nelson?

Interesting. I thought LCC owned and managed all their own bus stations. Keighley is Metro isn't it? Metro is normally strict on running their own bus stations.

 

[Pat1105]

No - Stagecoach commented on the Phil Anslow case that 'Stagecoach says it does not control how the stands are allocated, and that it had gone through the “proper process” to apply for stand space “just like any other operator.”'

Phil Anslow are only permitted to use three out of nine stands I think. They have to board/alight passengers in those stands regardless if Stagecoach are occupying them. They can’t use any other stand that’s free. This is what causes a lot of congestion in the bus station, as Phil Anslow have to keep driving round until the stand is free.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I was going to put a definition in. I would define a bus station a being a collection of stands (at least 3 stands available) in an area reserved for buses and vehicles serving the station. I wouldn't class a few road side bus stops as a bus station. It's difficult really as some of the features I would associate with the bus station are relevant to the road side stops and vice versa.

The description does state about managing and owning bus stations therefore Poole would be included.

Interesting. I thought LCC owned and managed all their own bus stations. Keighley is Metro isn't it? Metro is normally strict on running their own bus stations.

A few roadside bus stops isn't a bus station, I agree, but Pencester Road has passenger facilities and parking as well. It's one of the grey areas - similarly there are other places that purport to be bus stations like Monmouth, Wetherby, Cinderford....

LCC certainly do own their bus stations and have been busy building them. Rawtenstall has a manned travel kiosk run by Transdev and I can't recall any other managerial presence.

Keighley is Metro but I recall there was something anomalous about it before it was rebuilt. In the mid 1990s, there were a few non-Metro bus stations in WY (all now gone) - Keighley might have been one, but there was Wakefield and Batley that were still operator owned. Cleckheaton had become Metro but still had a plethora of NBC style signage!

Batley https://www.flickr.com/photos/niaga...QGwUJ-2iWpavu-2iMEJDt-2iWqHrT-2iVHqXh-2iWJqZ9

 

[221129]

That's in Scotland

There was no specification that Scotland was excluded.

 

[Andyh82]

Yes Batley and Cleckheaton were Arriva in their previous near derelict state, but are probably Metro since they were rebuilt. Keighley was Transdev (or Blazefield at that point) but it’s now Metro. I’m sure Transdev manage it though.

Wakefield is still fully owned and run by Arriva though

 

[Surreyman]

Managed by Arriva if not owned as stated in the below document.

https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/globalassets/documents/global-pages/about-us/guildford-bus-station-access-conditions---02.08.18.pdf

Interesting detail in the small print:
"b. “Guildford Bus Station” shall mean Guildford Bus Station, managed by Arriva Kent and Surrey and sited at Friary Bus Station, Commercial Road, Guildford Surrey GU1 4YW but shall not include any stands on Commercial Road itself".
This means that only stands 1-15 are covered by the agreement, stands 16 - 22 are not covered by the agreement(confirmed on the plan on the last page).
I learn something new everyday!

 

[johnnychips]

Is Belper bus station/depot owned by Trent?

 

[markymark2000]

There was no specification that Scotland was excluded.

The post title says England and Wales

Yes Batley and Cleckheaton were Arriva in their previous near derelict state, but are probably Metro since they were rebuilt. Keighley was Transdev (or Blazefield at that point) but it’s now Metro. I’m sure Transdev manage it though.

Wakefield is still fully owned and run by Arriva though

Metro is quite strict on running the bus stations which they own. The only one they don't run is Wakefield.

Interesting detail in the small print:
"b. “Guildford Bus Station” shall mean Guildford Bus Station, managed by Arriva Kent and Surrey and sited at Friary Bus Station, Commercial Road, Guildford Surrey GU1 4YW but shall not include any stands on Commercial Road itself".
This means that only stands 1-15 are covered by the agreement, stands 16 - 22 are not covered by the agreement(confirmed on the plan on the last page).
I learn something new everyday!

Definitely a strange agreement.

Is Belper bus station/depot owned by Trent?

Can you board or alight inside the depot building?

 

[Stan Drews]

I was going to put a definition in. I would define a bus station a being a collection of stands (at least 3 stands available) in an area reserved for buses and vehicles serving the station. I wouldn't class a few road side bus stops as a bus station. It's difficult really as some of the features I would associate with the bus station are relevant to the road side stops and vice versa.

The description does state about managing and owning bus stations therefore Poole would be included.





That's in Scotland.





Interesting. I thought LCC owned and managed all their own bus stations. Keighley is Metro isn't it? Metro is normally strict on running their own bus stations.

There is often a difference between the owners of a bus station, and who manages it on a day to day basis.
Metro do indeed own Keighley Bus Station, but it is managed by Transdev.
The Management Contract for Burnley Bus Station is between Transdev and Burnley Borough Council.
I’m not 100% certain on Blackburn, but I think the agreement is with Blackburn with Darwen Council, rather than LCC.

Even in cases where Management Contracts are in place between owners and bus operators (or other companies that specialise in such things), the level to which they ‘manage’ can vary considerably.

 

[markymark2000]

There is often a difference between the owners of a bus station, and who manages it on a day to day basis.
Metro do indeed own Keighley Bus Station, but it is managed by Transdev.
The Management Contract for Burnley Bus Station is between Transdev and Burnley Borough Council.
I’m not 100% certain on Blackburn, but I think the agreement is with Blackburn with Darwen Council, rather than LCC.

Even in cases where Management Contracts are in place between owners and bus operators (or other companies that specialise in such things), the level to which they ‘manage’ can vary considerably.

That is where it will become complicated then if areas are giving such different management contracts.

 

[Stan Drews]

Re Keighley bus station, taken from list of contracts on the WYCA website.

 

[Stan Drews]

That is where it will become complicated then if areas are giving such different management contracts.

I suppose it depends if there was a specific reason you created the thread. Otherwise it doesn’t really make any difference to most users of the facilities.
There will also be lots of examples where operators will have agreements to rent facilities within the bus station premises.

 

[Andyh82]

There is often a difference between the owners of a bus station, and who manages it on a day to day basis.
Metro do indeed own Keighley Bus Station, but it is managed by Transdev.
The Management Contract for Burnley Bus Station is between Transdev and Burnley Borough Council.
I’m not 100% certain on Blackburn, but I think the agreement is with Blackburn with Darwen Council, rather than LCC.

Even in cases where Management Contracts are in place between owners and bus operators (or other companies that specialise in such things), the level to which they ‘manage’ can vary considerably.

Blackburn with Darwen is of course a unitary authority, so yes I doubt LCC have any involvement

 

[markymark2000]

I suppose it depends if there was a specific reason you created the thread. Otherwise it doesn’t really make any difference to most users of the facilities.
There will also be lots of examples where operators will have agreements to rent facilities within the bus station premises.

The reason I created the tread was to try and see the quality of bus stations which are owned or managed by the bus operators (by managed, I mean fully managed, including they collect any departure fees, are responsible for cleaning and general ambiance.

Having been to a few bus operator ran bus stations, the quality seemed very poor and I wanted to see is that was across the board with bus operator ran stations.

 

[Man of Kent]

First manage Basildon on behalf of its owner, Basildon Council.
Go Ahead manage Norwich on behalf of its owner (which I think is Aviva).
Stagecoach's Canterbury bus station has not yet been mentioned. Dover has never been described as a bus station (and is not subject to the Competition order).
The exclusion of certain stands at Guildford are because these are part of the public highway and so departure charges cannot be levied.

 

[GusB]

I have edited the thread title to remove "England and Wales" in order to open up the discussion to include other parts of the UK. There isn't much point in having separate threads for each constituent part of the UK, which is what we'll ultimately end up with!

 

[Cesarcollie]

First manage Basildon on behalf of its owner, Basildon Council.
Go Ahead manage Norwich on behalf of its owner (which I think is Aviva).
Stagecoach's Canterbury bus station has not yet been mentioned. Dover has never been described as a bus station (and is not subject to the Competition order).
The exclusion of certain stands at Guildford are because these are part of the public highway and so departure charges cannot be levied.

I believe Basildon is owned by the owners of the Eastgate shopping centre, of which it is part, not Basildon Council - albeit leased to and managed by First.