GRALISTAIR
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Absolutely my big fear too.Yes this is my fear too.
Absolutely my big fear too.Yes this is my fear too.
The more I read about how awful the next year is potentially going to be, I personally feel that if I had a choice I would rather take my chances with the virus. Not that the choice is available, but it is very difficult for me to accept. As I said before it's more about the impact on so many others that's bothering me. I am struggling to see how the 'cure' is going to be better than the disease for most of us. I fear for many people it could be far worse.
The one thing that really makes me irate throughout all of this is the people that say 'well we're all in the same boat'.
No. My reply to that is 'we're all in different boats sailing through the same storm'. Some people are coping, other's aren't.
What I don't like is the people whose day to day lives aren't massively affected during lockdown
Totally agree.
What is true, and hopefully is a source of re-assurance to many, is that if you are finding your own circumstances challenging then somebody, somewhere, is also having a near identical challenge. You are not "alone" in that sense.
What I don't like is the people whose day to day lives aren't massively affected during lockdown lecturing everybody else about how to deal/cope with it, and what people should/should not be doing or feeling.
How many people aren't massively affected by lockdown? Most people are pretty affected, albeit in different ways.
What I don't like is the people whose day to day lives aren't massively affected during lockdown lecturing everybody else about how to deal/cope with it, and what people should/should not be doing or feeling.
People in lockdown are more worried about their mental wellbeing than their general health, an Office for National Statistics survey suggests.
Just under two-thirds of 16- to 69-year-olds surveyed were most concerned about boredom, stress and anxiety, and the ability to make plans.
And those aged over 70 were even less likely (6%) than the under-70s (13%) to be worried about their own health.
Most of the under-70s did worry about their loved ones' physical health.
But, in general, those surveyed were considerably more worried about their friends and family's mental wellbeing.
And the over-70's were much more likely to be worried about their family's work (62%) being affected than their health (27%).
Living costs
Their own access to groceries, medication and other essentials was another major worry for the over-70s.
But the under-70s were more concerned about the impact on their work.
Just under three-quarters of all the people surveyed said the pandemic had reduced their household income.
Just over a third said they were using savings to cover their living costs.
And when asked how the pandemic was affecting their own wellbeing, more people expressed concern about the future than other, more immediate, worries such as being alone, strain on personal relationships or challenges working from home.
Key workers
More than 85% said they had enough information to protect themselves from the virus.
But only about half said they had enough information about the UK government's plan for dealing with it.
Although there were high levels of support for and compliance with lockdown measures, only 24% of those self-isolating for the past seven days had not left their home for the whole period.
The survey, conducted among households in England and Wales, excluded people staying in hospitals, care homes or other residential facilities.
The results were weighted to reflect the make-up of the population of Britain, including the proportions of key workers and people with health conditions.
The proportion of adults with high levels of anxiety fell from a high of 50% at the end of March to 37% between 17 and 27 April.
But a separate survey, by University College London, suggests it has risen again in the past week.
"Life-satisfaction ratings had been returning to pre-Covid-19 levels but this improvement has now halted," it says, linking this to the uncertainty created by speculation around exiting lockdown.
One in 12 of the 80,000 people surveyed by UCL was worried about their future and twice as many about their finances.
And these figures were even higher among those under the age of 60, with lower household incomes or a mental-health diagnosis.
Take someone like that who is working and being payed 80% to sit at home and you can understand why they don't want the lockdown to end.Same here. Have a Facebook friend who I have had several disagreements with over lockdown. He seems to be a bit of a hermit in regular life - almost never leaves his parent's house unless he's at university. His regular life seems fairly similar to my life over the past 7 weeks. Yet he's been telling me that anyone against the lockdown is 'wrong' and 'selfish' and that we just have to get through it. Easy for him to say when it barely affects him! It's like he can't see anyone else's situation
Take someone like that who is working and being payed 80% to sit at home and you can understand why they don't want the lockdown to end.
Unfortunately it's not just the general public who can have this horrible view that people should just get on with it. I've got a friend who has been struggling with their mental health for years, and is having a particularly bad time at the moment, unrelated to lockdown. They got in touch with their mental health team the other day, only to have a nurse tell them that they should just "grin and bear it" until the current situation is over.
Is it any more horrible to imply that people should “just get on with it” than it is to advocate that elderly people or those with underlying issues should just be allowed to die?
This just goes to show that there's really no happy medium, if we open the economy people will die of the virus but if we maintain current restrictions a totally different group of people will likely die of any number of other factors. Glad I'm not making the decisionsIs it any more horrible to imply that people should “just get on with it” than it is to advocate that elderly people or those with underlying issues should just be allowed to die?
Not at all, nobody is implying that. It’s about finding the right balance between suppressing the virus and keeping mental health at a good level to prevent as many deaths as possible, I do however worry the government will be too busy focusing on the former that they’ll not realise the importance and scale of the latter until it’s too late.Is it any more horrible to imply that people should “just get on with it” than it is to advocate that elderly people or those with underlying issues should just be allowed to die?
This just goes to show that there's really no happy medium, if we open the economy people will die of the virus but if we maintain current restrictions a totally different group of people will likely die of any number of other factors. Glad I'm not making the decisions
Who is saying that?
Lots of people, IME, sadly.
Does that person want lockdown to last until a vaccine is available?Same here. Have a Facebook friend who I have had several disagreements with over lockdown. He seems to be a bit of a hermit in regular life - almost never leaves his parent's house unless he's at university. His regular life seems fairly similar to my life over the past 7 weeks. Yet he's been telling me that anyone against the lockdown is 'wrong' and 'selfish' and that we just have to get through it. Easy for him to say when it barely affects him! It's like he can't see anyone else's situation.
Does that person want lockdown to last until a vaccine is available?
Does that person want lockdown to last until a vaccine is available?
I’d have hoped to see the number of active cases in circulation to have reduced now, but disappointingly they don’t seem to have done to quite the extent we needed.
Yet he's been telling me that anyone against the lockdown is 'wrong' and 'selfish' and that we just have to get through it. Easy for him to say when it barely affects him! It's like he can't see anyone else's situation.
I don't think very many people are saying that in an explicit "i don't care" way. There are a three more nuanced points that might sound similiar.Lots of people, IME, sadly.
This is so true. I have unfollowed a couple of my Facebook "friends" because I can't be bothered arguing with them about it every day. (They want to keep the lockdown going, I want it lifted (in stages) as soon as possible). They will post something like "..I would rather stay in lockdown the whole summer than lose one of my loved ones... Share if you agree, I bet 99% of you won't..."
I don't like these sort of "gulit trip" Facebook posts at the best of times, but they are especially annoying now.
That sort of passive aggressive post would really annoy me. People who use emotion over logic are ones who I would never want to talk politics with.
Is it any more horrible to imply that people should “just get on with it” than it is to advocate that elderly people or those with underlying issues should just be allowed to die?
I'd like to know how many are "in the field" i.e. bouncing around the general population. I have the impression that a great many are in care homes etc.
I know multiple people who I would class as having been mentally strong normally who're struggling mentally. This is an unprecedented time and I'm finding that the overwhelming majority of people who I try and talk to with mental health issues currently are telling me that the public view seems to be that they're at the bottom of the priority list, with Covid at the top and physical conditions above this. It's terrible how poorly mental health is taken by some people and I fear that unless something bad happens, which I really hope it doesn't, then the government will simply either be unaware of the impact or turn a blind eye to it to prioritise the suppression of the virus.I'm not sure what the point that you're trying to make is.
I don't think it's an either/or situation where they either provide help to people who are struggling (or in my friend's case, continue to provide help) or they open everything up and risk lives.
There is no infection risk from a phonecall, for example, and face-to-face appointments are continuing in some healthcare settings where it is unavoidable, with precautions being taken (I had one myself this morning).
What we must not do, however, is use the current situation as an excuse for failing people, or suggest that they can magically just pull themselves together if they try hard enough so not to inconvenience people. Believe me, if it was that simple no one would have mental health issues.