What does 'Chase', 'Hatch', and 'Deepdene' mean in railway station naming?

[NightatLaira]

Wimbledon Chase & Enfield Chase - what does this 'Chase' bit mean - is it a reference to something railway or just a London thing? And in either case - what does it mean..

Also Hatch - as in 'Chingford Hatch' on London Buses

'Mumps' as in 'Oldham Mumps'

'Tey' as in 'Marks Tey'

And 'Deepdene' as in 'Dorking Deepdene'


Thanks!

 

[CarterUSM]

Along the same lines as above, one that intrigues me, is lelant saltings. What is the relevance of the saltings part?

 

[flymo]

The Chase bit I always thought referred to when the gentry would "chase" game or other beasties through fields or woodland.

Tally Ho !!!!

 

[Teaboy1]

Similar references apply to up north Doncaster Decoy, not strictly a station but definitely a location that existed long before the railways first appeared. The local toffs used the old marshes to shoot duck and other beasts, the whole area was full of toffs out for a days shooting using an embankment to hide behind and blast those beasties.
Then the railway took the local name and it stuck.
Chase was literal that, a heath or common to hunt/chase deer,fox, hedgehogs, etc... tally-ho!

 

[yorksrob]

Deepdene was the name of a large country hotel near the station of that name which later became the Southern Railway's war time headquarters. I believe the Deepdene itself has been demolished, but I remember seeing on Subterranea Britannica's website a couple of years ago that some of the Southern's war time command bunkers are still there.

 

[Aictos]

Enfield had two stations on the GN route, the current one replaced the original and was originally just called Enfield but on the 1st July 1923 after becoming part of the LNER, the name was changed to Enfield Chase because of the local hunting grounds.

 

[merlodlliw]

On Merseytravel. Wirral line

Eastham Rake

Bromborough Rake

 

[generalvegitable]

Along the same lines as above, one that intrigues me, is lelant saltings. What is the relevance of the saltings part?

for that station it is likely to be built on/near the site of some saltings where they would extract salt from sea water

 

[Oswyntail]

.... The local toffs used the old marshes to shoot duck and other beasts, the whole area was full of toffs out for a days shooting using an embankment to hide behind and blast those beasties...

More accurately, a "decoy" was an area where ducks were trapped, in nets or cages - less a toffs day out than a peasants pastime.

On Merseytravel. Wirral line

Eastham Rake

Bromborough Rake

A rake is a strip of pastureland.

"Hatch" is intriguing. It could refer to a breeding area of sorts, but is more likely to reflect the location of a gate, either a toll-gate, or an entry into some sequestered ground (such as a Chase!)

 

[Wyvern]

Oldham Mumps, what was the oldest station on the line,[91] took its name from the locality of Mumps area of Oldham, which itself probably derived from the archaic word "mumper" which was slang for a beggar

from Wikipedia

Does Dawlish Warren refer to rabbits?

In medieval times rabbits were like game and only nobles were allowed to eat them. Hence "right of free warren".i

Many of these terms date from then. Hence "chase" would have been a royal hunting area. Think of Cannock Chase, a massive area in the Black Country.

 

[Z12XE]

'Tey' as in 'Marks Tey'

That one isn't anything extra that the railway has added, but simply the name of the village - it being one of three Teys - Great and Little Tey.

Marks Tey having got its name from the family who held the manor who were the Merc or Mark Family after which it came under the family who had the second name Tey - Mark's Tey - now written as Marks Tey.

 

[Oracle]

Hounslow West is interesting as of course it was originally Hounslow Barracks, which still exist, on Hounslow Heath. However, it was subsequently renamed Hounslow West, alomg with Hounslow Central and Hounslow East. However, the area around HW has now become a seperate entity from Hounslow proper and basically the area has adopted the name of the station. There is or was also a Hounslow West local Hounslow Borough council ward but HW was actually in Hounslow Heath ward!

Hounslow Heath a few hundred years ago was very extensive but very little remains today.

 

[richw]

for that station it is likely to be built on/near the site of some saltings where they would extract salt from sea water

salt was previously collected and extracted from the estuary opposite the platform
there are some pictures of the station here

and can also be identified on google maps

 

[starrymarkb]

Does Dawlish Warren refer to rabbits?

The Warren is the Sand spit that extends across the mouth of the Exe

 

[Wyvern]

The Warren is the Sand spit that extends across the mouth of the Exe

Right Thanks

 

[Green Lane]

On Merseytravel. Wirral line

Eastham Rake

Bromborough Rake

Well, we know the stations are named after the local roads which predate them. i.e. "The Rake" in Bromborough and "Eastham Rake".

I've seen from more than one source (e.g. http://blogs.wirralnews.co.uk/wirralvikings/2010/04/welcome-to-the-wirral-vikings.html ) that usage of "rake" on the Wirral comes from the Vikings, with the norse word "rak" meaning simply "lane".

But who's to know for sure? The previous answer about pasture land could be equally valid IMHO.

 

[red circle]

I was told years ago that Debden is a corruption of Deepdene,I try not to go there very often but seem to remember a 'Deepdene road' somewhere round one of the housing estates.

 

[Ploughman]

How did HUNDRED END get its name?
On the old Southport - Preston line.

Is it to do with parliamentary boundaries?

 

[Green Lane]

How did HUNDRED END get its name?
On the old Southport - Preston line.

Is it to do with parliamentary boundaries?

According to Wikipedia, the halmlet of "Hundred End" in Lancashire is named so because "it was situated on the boundary between the two hundreds of West Derby and Leyland."

That statement is unsourced so not definitive, but seems reasonable to me.

 

[Mvann]

According to Wikipedia, the halmlet of "Hundred End" in Lancashire is named so because "it was situated on the boundary between the two hundreds of West Derby and Leyland."

That statement is unsourced so not definitive, but seems reasonable to me.

There was a piece in either railway bylines or British railways illustrated about the station and the name.

 

[paulravuslante]

However, the area around HW has now become a seperate entity from Hounslow proper and basically the area has adopted the name of the station.

The same can be said of Llandudno Junction, which used to be known as Tremarl before the railway came. The now closed 6G depot there has also influenced the street names as there is a 6G Road located there.

One I don't know the answer to though is why Aber station (in Caerphilly) is named such. There is no area of that town called Aber. It's located on Nantgarw Road, so the name doesn't come from that either. Does anybody know?

Also what about Falkirk High? It is up a hill compared to Falkirk Grahamston?

 

[Greenback]

Aber wasn;t the original name, it was opened as Beddau by the Rhymney Railway 102 years ago! My guess is that Aber was a nickname that became the official name under BR. The name probably refers to the mouth of the Senghenydd Valley, as the Sengenhydd line left the main line at Aber. (Aber is Welsh for mouth for those who don;t know God's language!)

Just a guess mind!

 

[paulravuslante]

Aber wasn;t the original name, it was opened as Beddau by the Rhymney Railway 102 years ago! My guess is that Aber was a nickname that became the official name under BR. The name probably refers to the mouth of the Senghenydd Valley, as the Sengenhydd line left the main line at Aber. (Aber is Welsh for mouth for those who don;t know God's language!)

Just a guess mind!

Diolch! It's as good a guess as any