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Darandio

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I've never had an issue with my Tesco Metro but on Friday it was frankly ridiculous. Nobody was taking any notice of the one-way system, so much so that I actually spoke to (2m apart of course) a member of staff to ask them to get a supervisor/manager to make an announcement because it was silly.

The worst for me is the old dears, who seem blissfully unaware of what is actually going on at the moment, despite having to queue to get into the store. One old dear in front of me, who scarily reminded me of Daisy from Keeping Up Appearances with her shopping trolley, entered one aisle the wrong way, and I politely informed her and pointed to the arrows to say she was going the wrong way. Her reply was 'oh'. On to the next aisle, she did exactly the same thing. I get some people suffer from a little confusion but this was sheer ignorance.

Staff regularly ignore the arrows too.

Maybe she genuinely did forget things, what do you expect the old dear to do? Go all the way around and start again therefore taking up a lot more time and holding people up due to the one in, one out policy? Forget the stuff she needed and go home? Go back outside and queue again for her sins?

Yes, the arrows are there for good reason but nobody is perfect, especially right now. I've seen it happen enough myself over the last few weeks, they go the wrong way but to their credit try to maintain distance and there is next to no risk from walking past. The worst people in all of this are those displaying your behaviour and trying to self police everything, in nearly all cases with absolutely no need to do so because nobody was doing anything wrong but they just can't help themselves.

Maybe i'm too old fashioned but if I saw an 'old dear' as you have described i'd be asking if I could help (within reason given the circumstances) not telling her what the rules are.
 
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Maybe she genuinely did forget things, what do you expect the old dear to do? Go all the way around and start again therefore taking up a lot more time and holding people up due to the one in, one out policy? Forget the stuff she needed and go home? Go back outside and queue again for her sins?

Yes, the arrows are there for good reason but nobody is perfect, especially right now. I've seen it happen enough myself over the last few weeks, they go the wrong way but to their credit try to maintain distance and there is next to no risk from walking past. The worst people in all of this are those displaying your behaviour and trying to self police everything, in nearly all cases with absolutely no need to do so because nobody was doing anything wrong but they just can't help themselves.

Maybe i'm too old fashioned but if I saw an 'old dear' as you have described i'd be asking if I could help (within reason given the circumstances) not telling her what the rules are.

I probably should have described her better. When I said old dear, this wasn't your typical frail old lady, this was a middle-aged woman who wasn't confused at all, she was being blatantly ignorant. The type who use a shopping trolley because they're too lazy to carry their shopping home, the type that 'pretend' to be elderly and/or disabled when in fact there is nothing wrong with them (I accept I have zero evidence for this claim, but I'm entitled to have my suspicions).

Forgive me if you think I'm self-policing but if it means protecting myself and other shoppers then I will continue to do so.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I understand some may get confused. I'd have the patience for this. But when I said twice that there were arrows, she did not pay a single bit of notice and continued to parade around the store as if the rules didn't apply to her. There is a substantially clear difference between the two types of people we are describing here; perhaps I've done an inadequate job of describing them and I hope I better describe them to you now.

In another Tesco store close to me, a good friend of mine told the security guard at the front of the queue that an older lady had pushed in front, as she was one of those who had to park as close to the store as possible and expressed that 'as she was there' she didn't have to join the back of the queue (queueing system in this store goes along the pavement in between parked cars). The security guard let her in the store as normal but apparently half way around the store another security guard asked her to leave and join the back in the queue, in front of everybody! Karma is a you-know-what!
 
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Why should someone not use a shopping trolley if they find it a practical way to carry their shopping home?

We have stigmas about weird things in this country sometimes.
 

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....The worst for me is the old dears, who seem blissfully unaware of what is actually going on at the moment...
Are you able to rule out the possibility they have dementia?
One old dear in front of me, who scarily reminded me of Daisy from Keeping Up Appearances with her shopping trolley...
Not sure what you are trying to say here.
 

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I've noticed that Tesco seems particularly bad for the one way implementations, my nearest superstore you're meant to go all the way up and down every aisle to keep to the one way system but it isn't clear that the big wide aisle between the two 'rows' of aisles (if that's clear) isn't part of the system so people were just treating it as a free for all. The two expresses near me are way too small for the one way system too, theres no easy way to stop people entering and leaving and people that need things near the front of the store apart
 

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And it doesn't even make sense in every case. Near me there is a Tesco Express and a Co-op pretty much right next to each other (you wouldn't think so but it was allegedly the best thing that ever happened to the Co-op and caused their custom to increase, not decrease, when it opened). The Tesco Express has had a queue outside every time I've passed it, but the Co-op very rarely does. People don't even look outside the box of walking next door!

Newton Road? In a former life I was very familiar with those shops.
 

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And it doesn't even make sense in every case. Near me there is a Tesco Express and a Co-op pretty much right next to each other (you wouldn't think so but it was allegedly the best thing that ever happened to the Co-op and caused their custom to increase, not decrease, when it opened). The Tesco Express has had a queue outside every time I've passed it, but the Co-op very rarely does. People don't even look outside the box of walking next door!
There are 2 Co-Ops that are about 50 metres apart near me and on more than one occasion there has been a long queue at one and no queue at the other. While they are technically 2 different Co-Ops (Central England Co-operative and the Co-operative Group) the range stocked is for the most part very similar and it is usually the smaller (but slightly more centrally located) store with a queue.
 

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Newton Road? In a former life I was very familiar with those shops.

Yep. When the Tesco opened I thought it'd kill the Co-op but apparently it did the exact opposite by making people travel further to shop there as if one didn't have what they wanted the other would. It's a quite common effect, apparently.

I'm actually (in West Bletchley) very well-provided-for in terms of local shops, there are about 5-6 of them within 5 minutes' drive (or about 30 minutes' walk).
 

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I was the Area Manager for the Co-op store when Tesco opened and the Co-op did indeed continue to thrive. Agree about West Bletchley - quite a few shops around if you know where to look!
 

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I was the Area Manager for the Co-op store when Tesco opened and the Co-op did indeed continue to thrive. Agree about West Bletchley - quite a few shops around if you know where to look!

Yeah, St Mary's is particularly well hidden! MK is well provided in that regard generally because of the "local centre" concept, having a group of facilities (usually but not always including things like community centres and GP surgeries plus a Tesco Express, Co-op, One Stop or similar and often various takeaways) within about 1km of each household.
 

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I went to Aldi around 4:30 this afternoon, an hour or so later than two weeks ago. Then perhaps 15 queueing to get in, today none. When I came out perhaps 15 queueing to enter, I guess many had just left work at 5pm. Two weeks ago trolleys were being wiped, not today. There was a bin full of wipes so had they run out ?

There are both 2m and direction markings. Most people were keeping 2m distance and being considerate, less observance of the routing. A few just dithering and a couple just blatantly ignoring distancing to get what they wanted without waiting for others to move on. One area that was a problem is bread. This is right by a till, standard Aldi layout as similar in the only two stores I use ?, so conflict with those queueing to checkout.

Before I had been to Wilkinson and Savers optimistically hoping to find hand sanitiser. No issue in Wilkinson since as many staff as customers. There are 2m markers at the queueing for the checkouts. Savers is an awkward store anyway as long but narrow. Having checked the hand care section with a group browsing further up the aisle I went the wrong way around to get to the other side with household items.
 

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No, Aldi and Asda do. It doesn’t work well if you only want a few things as you instinctively skip a few aisles to get where you want then think ‘oops’!
 

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The supermarkets I use are Morrisons, Waitrose and Sainsburys where there are no daft one way systems.
 

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No, Aldi and Asda do. It doesn’t work well if you only want a few things as you instinctively skip a few aisles to get where you want then think ‘oops’!
The implication of the Government's advice is to 'big shop' less frequently rather than lots of visits for a few items. If the public heed that advice, then skipping around the shop should be reduced.
 

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Our Morrisons was refurbished last summer and they put in an extra aisle - the aisles are now much narrower than previously which has resulted in a more rigorous restriction on the number of customers in the store at a time. So there is normally a Long queue to get in. Sainsbury’s has wider aisles so is easier to enter without a long wait.
 

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The implication of the Government's advice is to 'big shop' less frequently rather than lots of visits for a few items. If the public heed that advice, then skipping around the shop should be reduced.

There is a limit to how much a shopper can carry from the store back to their home. This will vary between people and, generally, the amount becomes smaller the older you get.
 

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The other thing that people are missing about queuing to get into supermarkets is that shops are seemingly faster when you do get inside without the trolleys full of kids seemingly abandoned in the middle of aisles, husbands idly standing around on their phones while the wife shops and pensioners deciding the bread aisle is the perfect place to stop for a lengthy catch up with an acquaintance they happened to have bumped in to. The need for social distancing has actually made supermarket shopping much more pleasurable even if it does now require queuing to enter.

I have not had any real problems shopping in my local supermarket once or twice a week. I go late evening when it is much quieter and there is no queueing. Having said that I do have to watch out for those with dreadful spatial awareness who wander around with a phone pressed to their ear (smart-phone-dumb-users), people who charge around blind corners (at the end of isles) without bothering to consider someone else might be about to come around the same corner (I really hope they don't drive like that), and there is the occasional blocker head who parks their trolley in the most obstructive place possible. Not major problems, years of cycling on UK roads has sharpened my ability to anticipate hazards and other peoples mistakes/carelessness, and react appropriately.
 

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The implication of the Government's advice is to 'big shop' less frequently rather than lots of visits for a few items. If the public heed that advice, then skipping around the shop should be reduced.
There is a limit to how much a shopper can carry from the store back to their home. This will vary between people and, generally, the amount becomes smaller the older you get.

And also a limit on how much some people can store at home.

And also a limit on the dates on some products.

I have just finished late shift 1 of 7 in a row. I never used to do big shops but I did one yesterday on my day off. When I did my shopping yesterday I had to buy enough stuff for tea at home yesterday, then 8 breakfasts at home, 7 "packed" lunches and 7 evening meals which are ok to be taken to work and carried in my bag out of a fridge till the evening when the only facility is a microwave. I live on my own so do not have a family sized fridge or freezer. It is a quite a lot to fit in the fridge all at once, assuming of course the chosen supermarket has supplies with long enough dates on.

And with the best will in the world sometimes you just forget something - either in store or afterwards.

Or, as is still often the case, you need to go to another place to get something because the first place didn't have any in stock.
 

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... , and there is the occasional blocker head who parks their trolley in the most obstructive place possible. ...
The trolley is a method of preventing, (or dissuading) those who think that the guidance on separation doesn't apply to them, pushing through and not respecting the safety of others. Personally, I don't take a trolley as I carry two of the fold-out bags (plus a polythene carrier or two for unexpected large items), and quick-check scan everything so that the trolley thing doesn't bother me, but there's no harm in chilling enough to follow the rules of separation.
 

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The trolley is a method of preventing, (or dissuading) those who think that the guidance on separation doesn't apply to them, pushing through and not respecting the safety of others. Personally, I don't take a trolley as I carry two of the fold-out bags (plus a polythene carrier or two for unexpected large items), and quick-check scan everything so that the trolley thing doesn't bother me, but there's no harm in chilling enough to follow the rules of separation.

I think the point there is you can't just "fit in a quick supermarket shop", you need to allocate half a day to it, which will for people working mean you need to do it on your day off or in your evening and top up from small shops in between.

If everyone did that the stress would drop a lot.
 

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The implication of the Government's advice is to 'big shop' less frequently rather than lots of visits for a few items. If the public heed that advice, then skipping around the shop should be reduced.

Where you live very much determines whether you can or would want to do a big shop each week or not. Living in a relatively rural area, I have chosen to shop locally, this means walking to my local Co op or driving a couple of miles to a neighbouring larger village where there are a small number of independent shops including deli, butchers, bakers etc. The other alternative is to drive further to my nearest town to do a big shop in a large Tesco or Sainsburys. That would mean coming into contact with more people and queuing, which I have not had to do in my local small Co-op. The alternative of going into town by bus is also not there. We have been advised not to use buses and the bus service through my village was suspended 3 weeks ago.

For me shopping locally does mean shopping more than once a week because a small Co op only has baskets and not trolleys. Also the checkouts are not designed to handle more than one basket full of food. I’m actually enjoying shopping locally in smaller shops and I may continue this after the lockdown. It is more expensive, but the food from the small deli, butchers and bakers is so much better quality than I ever got from the large supermarkets. Even in these difficult circumstances it’s a much more friendly personal experience and I am really getting to know the shop assistants. Also walking around my own village and neighbouring village is helping me to get to know people I haven’t spoken to before, which doesn’t happen when I just get in the car and drive to Sainsburys.
 

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I don't live in a village but I have definitely found shopping locally much less fraught. Yes, they're not set up for a trolley full (though my local Co-ops do have small trolleys) but checkout staff work with you on that.
 

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The implication of the Government's advice is to 'big shop' less frequently rather than lots of visits for a few items. If the public heed that advice, then skipping around the shop should be reduced.

That's all very well and good if you have a car, a lot of people don't and therefore a "big shop" may not be as easy to do.

I don't think the one way systems are daft, but they do cause issues in that people aren't perfect and even with a list will have to go back for stuff.

They are daft, partly because they can result in people going down more isles than necessary if they forget something, and in places where there are odd numbers of isles can result in the stupidity having two adjacent isles pointing in the same direction causing even more confusion.
 

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That's all very well and good if you have a car, a lot of people don't and therefore a "big shop" may not be as easy to do.

Very true, though if you can get one online a shopping trolley might be a very worthwhile investment for anyone who shops on foot or by public transport, maybe a bicycle trailer for those who do it by bicycle.
 

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Very true, though if you can get one online a shopping trolley might be a very worthwhile investment for anyone who shops on foot or by public transport, maybe a bicycle trailer for those who do it by bicycle.

You can, but the trollies are probably of more use for single people as a week's shop for a couple will still probably be too much for one. And a trailer is only useful if you have a bike, and don't live in lumpy places like around Baildon! ;)

To be honest we've settled into a routine of one big run into Shipley, my wife goes to the Iceland & I go to the Asda or Aldi & we then share a taxi home. Its a lot more expensive, but does keep our local taxi drivers in a bit of work. For all other bits & pieces we work our walks around passing one of our local shops on the way back.
 
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