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Open Access Services: Westbahn given government contract

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Austrian Open Access Operator Westbahn have been awarded a contract by the Austrian government to run for an initial three month period. There is to be broadly a two-hourly service overlaid with the Federal Railway services (OBB). Westbahn must call at additional stations specified, and accept OBB tickets.

There was a great deal of clamour on these boards about the lack of cash bailout for Grand Central and Hull Trains in the UK, which led to both operators temporarily withdrawing all services last month. Since closure, Grand Central have promised to return, though they initially committed to continuing to operate through the crisis but found this was unsustainable.

This may present an alternative idea 'rescue' (or possibly recovery depending on how it goes) of these firms in very difficult trading conditions to come once the strictest measures of "lockdown" are lifted.

Things I would be keen to remember here:

- Taxpayers are already funding massive losses at DfT operators
- Any extra services running should be shown to fulfil a particular need
- Taxpayers cash going to private companies should see something in return - Open Access Operators don't pay any premium in the good times as government contractors do
- Other, arguably more essential public transport services such as London Underground, the Tyne & Wear Metro, Merseyrail and various tramways remain generally unsupported by centeal government


ALLRail are a trade organisation who represent European Open Access railway operators: http://allrail.eu/members/

There could be other, more practical ways to have the Department support GC and HT too, such as by directing Northern or LNER to hire the stock and crews for some of their own services. lt is unlikely one way or another that these political ideas are popular in government, though. It seems more likely that First and Arriva will be left to float their operations themselves - or see them sink permanently.
 
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There could be other, more practical ways to have the Department support GC and HT too, such as by directing Northern or LNER to hire the stock and crews for some of their own services.
Given there’s very few people using current train services, it’s hard to see any justification for northern, LNER etc wanting to hire in yet more services unless your referring to the period in future when the lockdown ‘s been significantly scaled back
 
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Aren't Westbahn an independent? GC is an Arriva company, and Hull Trains a FirstGroup company, so I'm not sure this would be a sensible or necessary course of action - the main TOCs of those parent companies are already protected, and so unless seriously mismanaged the groups should not collapse, and thus the Open Access TOCs can be restarted in due course.
 

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Aren't Westbahn an independent? GC is an Arriva company, and Hull Trains a FirstGroup company, so I'm not sure this would be a sensible or necessary course of action - the main TOCs of those parent companies are already protected, and so unless seriously mismanaged the groups should not collapse, and thus the Open Access TOCs can be restarted in due course.
They are owned 49.90% by Haselsteiner Family Private Foundation, 32.70% by Augusta Holding AG and 17.40% by SNCF Voyage Développement SAS. Make of that whatever you will. They, like Grand Central Railway Company Limited and Hull Trains Company Limited are separate firms. You're simply assuming that their losses are going to be funded presumably? UK Rail has caused some fairly serious losses recently for Arriva. £223 million last year on Northern...
 

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They are owned 49.90% by Haselsteiner Family Private Foundation, 32.70% by Augusta Holding AG and 17.40% by SNCF Voyage Développement SAS. Make of that whatever you will. They, like Grand Central Railway Company Limited and Hull Trains Company Limited are separate firms. You're simply assuming that their losses are going to be funded presumably? UK Rail has caused some fairly serious losses recently for Arriva. £223 million last year on Northern...

Well, either their losses will be funded or they'll close as TOCs, but I don't think that would be a great disaster anyway, they are primarily abstractive anyway. I suppose that said Westbahn is more abstractive as it doesn't do anything OeBB don't...
 

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Given the limited number of services running, I agree that there's little point bringing GC and HT back 'online' - indeed we've almost seen the opposite with LNER adding services to cover for the removal of GC services. There's no cash bailout for them, but they are eligible for the Job Retention Scheme, so they are safe for as long as the crisis continues.

Post crisis is another question altogether. Contracting them to run services seems highly unlikely as the proper franchises will be direct Government control* until the end of September and even after that they'd be the prioritised ones - I'm sure that they'll be able to survive, no doubt through a combination of cost cutting and pretty aggressive discounting. If they do go bust, well, c'est la vie - hate to sound callous and indeed for their staff it will be a shame, but that's the "risk" of working for an open-access TOC, arguably no different to if they'd lost their paths in a timetable recast.


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