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[richw]

89 as well.

there is only a cancellation showing for the 89.


Who is THis operator who is sub contracting this route?



also noted citybus have erroneously submitted some routes commencing 1st April. They are due to take over the routes on 29th March and previous incumbents cease on 28th March

 

[Goldfish62]

there is only a cancellation showing for the 89.
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Who is THis operator who is sub contracting this route?

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also noted citybus have erroneously submitted some routes commencing 1st April. They are due to take over the routes on 29th March and previous incumbents cease on 28th March

 

[Busaholic]

When I first moved to Penzance and found living over the shop I owned and ran meant I never got away from the job, we moved to Goldsithney, both not too far away but also with an alternating 4 and 5 bph service to Pz during the day, important because my wife didn't, and doesn't, drive. If we lived there now, we'd have the U4 every hour - that's it! So there's plenty of opportunity for improving bus services that might bring lots more back to buses, or to try them for the first time. I do feel that Marazion's basic hourly service for most of the year is diabolically bad, especially as it's such an awful place for car traffic. You never know, the St Aubyn Estates which controls the vast majority of the main and overflow car parks in the town, might actually make slightly less of a killing!

 

[richw]

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That’s interestingly not the main Summercourt travel licence , and that particular licence doesn’t have any vehicles authorised at present and is registered to a different correspondence address. Summercourt’s licence is PH1011427
Robert and Sam Ryder are directors of Summercourt travel.

 

[Goldfish62]

That’s interestingly not the main Summercourt travel licence , and that particular licence doesn’t have any vehicles authorised at present and is registered to a different correspondence address. Summercourt’s licence is PH1011427
Robert and Sam Ryder are directors of Summercourt travel.

I note this one is a special restricted licence, which can only be used for the purposes of providing a bus service using a licensed taxi. The other Summercourt O licence is a full PSV.

 

[richw]

I note this one is a special restricted licence, which can only be used for the purposes of providing a bus service using a licensed taxi. The other Summercourt O licence is a full PSV.

But it has a clause no vehicle under 8 passenger seats so still a minibus.

 

[Goldfish62]

But it has a clause no vehicle under 8 passenger seats so still a minibus.

Are you referring to the Summercourt or the Ryder O licence?

 

[richw]

Are you referring to the Summercourt or the Ryder O licence?

Ryder

 

[Goldfish62]

Ryder

In which case as Special Restricted covers PHVs to a maximum of eight passengers that means the Ryder O licence is restricted to exactly eight passengers and no less.

 

[richw]

In which case as Special Restricted covers PHVs to a maximum of eight passengers that means the Ryder O licence is restricted to exactly eight passengers and no less.

they’ve got a posh looking 8 passenger seat Mercedes Vito in the yard now you mention it

 

[Goldfish62]

they’ve got a posh looking 8 passenger seat Mercedes Vito in the yard now you mention it

I guess that's it then!

 

[83G/84D]

I think I read somewhere that a vehicle in OTS' fleet has been painted red, but I've not seen any photos of it yet. Their recruitment advert is certainly very Go Gornwall Bus-esque red, yellow and white though!

Here it is, or was last week.

 

[Lizard1324]

Anyone know yet where the Depot are being placed (E.g. where in Helston is the New Depot)

 

[richw]

Anyone know yet where the Depot are being placed (E.g. where in Helston is the New Depot)

no new operating centres applied as yet.

 

[Goldfish62]

no new operating centres applied as yet.

The TCs don't hurry when it comes to new operating centre applications.

 

[MB162435]

Looks like Summercourt Travel is doing the 66 service on behalf of GCB from Penryn to Truro, with their service looks to be extended to Victoria Square

 

[RELL6L]

Looking on Traveline today some of the timetables have been updated, but nothing seems to have actually been removed, all the duplications remain.
The times for the Go Cornwall 10 and 95 have been consolidated from up to four different sections into one for each route, as often this is not perfect but it is much more useful.
I hadn't previously spotted the 176, lost in the Callywith College section of route numbers. It is two hourly all day between Launceston and Bodmin Parkway - completely new. Will be an interesting run across Bodmin Moor!
There is also now a 55 with 2/3 journeys between Camelford and Bodmin.
Go Cornwall also have a 45 from Troon via Camborne to Pool, I hadn't noticed that before and there isn't a First Kernow 45 now. Is this part of the existing 47?

Several changes to First services on some corridors though.
A5 is now up to hourly, but no morning peak journeys at all. First departure from Newquay 9.05, first arrival 9.40, fewer route variations. Go Cornwall still show the 56 - with four Newquay arrivals before 9.30.
24 has been altered so it no longer spends 35 minutes at Fowey. The time has been used instead to extend from Mevagissey to Lost Gardens of Heligan. I wonder whether the Go Cornwall 25 will be altered to fit in with this to provide an even half hourly service to Fowey. There is also a 103 from St Austell to Lost Gardens of Heligan which appears to duplicate the 24 (but less frequently).
New timetable for the M6 which still includes the early and late journeys as said to be covered by Go Cornwall with their non-existent small buses, so presumably this will be abandoned?
New timetable for the T1/T2, here the evening journeys are withdrawn, so presumably the Go Cornwall T1/T2 will run as proposed.
New timetable for the 35, hourly between Famouth and Helford Passage but nothing before 9.00. Presumably something else is coming in here.
There isn't anything non-commercial in Falmouth at the moment, the 35A and locals have gone and no replacement yet, but I understand from elsewhere that OTS is likely to cover the Falmouth area routes and their times aren't on yet. No sign of the anticipated route from St Austell to Tregony to Veryan yet either.
The 47 still shows for both companies, First to St Day only. Sound like this will change. No changes on the Lizard either yet.
New E1 from St Austell to the Eden Project, replacing 101, but nothing to Luxulyan. Nothing here on Go Cornwall either yet. Perhaps the train here suffices but that doesn't seem to be the philosophy now.
A couple of midday college day services on 213 between Wadebridge and Truro, but they don't appear to offer any useful shopping opportunities, the Go Cornwall 95 looks rather more useful here.

If this was all starting this weekend one would expect utter carnage. But there's still a month to go and I guess this is all part of a refinement process of getting everyone's act together.
Interesting times!

 

[richw]

there isn't a First Kernow 45 now

new route. The Go 46/47 doesn’t appear to serve Troon.

recruitment agency advertising driving jobs in Newquay at £14 p/h plus free accomodation. Screenshot attached

hopleys services unchanged albeit on contract to citybus in citybus branding. Citybus said to be supplying them one vehicle and purchasing two further of their own

 

[RELL6L]

new route. The Go 46/47 doesn’t appear to serve Troon.

That makes sense.

The times for the Go Cornwall 10 and 95 have been consolidated from up to four different sections into one for each route, as often this is not perfect but it is much more useful.

I partially withdraw my positive comment about the Traveline timetable here. I have now seen - not realised this before - that the 10 is extended from Wadebridge to Bodmin and Bodmin Parkway and fits in nicely between the 11s basically giving a half hourly service from Wadebridge to Bodmin Parkway, which is really good. A long route, Launceston - Camelford - Port Isaac - Wadebridge - Bodmin - Bodmin Parkway, about 2hrs 40 mins. The 176 runs between the same terminals in about 50 minutes. However, on Traveline, they have tried to combine this part of the 10 with the 11 to show the good half hourly service, but made a complete and utter pigs ear of it. The 10 from Wadebridge to Bodmin Parkway has been shown in with the 11 from Plymouth to Padstow - ie the other direction - and vice versa. The rest of the 10, from Wadebridge to Camelford to Launceston has been combined reasonably well, provided that you accept that a bus arriving at Camelford at 09.58 in one column is the same bus as starts at Penpethy at 10.06 in the next. There also appear to be two journeys at 07.11 from Penpethy (perhaps Camelford) to Wadebridge, one in college holidays and one in school holidays. None on college days or school days but there are Callywith College buses from most places at around this time.

 

[Goldfish62]

I note that route 347 Penzance to Lamorna Cove operated by West Coast Taxis hasn't been cancelled. I wonder if this is going to continue under the GCB brand, as per Hopley's.

 

[njlawley]

That makes sense.
However, on Traveline, they have tried to combine this part of the 10 with the 11 to show the good half hourly service, but made a complete and utter pigs ear of it. The 10 from Wadebridge to Bodmin Parkway has been shown in with the 11 from Plymouth to Padstow - ie the other direction - and vice versa. The rest of the 10, from Wadebridge to Camelford to Launceston has been combined reasonably well, provided that you accept that a bus arriving at Camelford at 09.58 in one column is the same bus as starts at Penpethy at 10.06 in the next. There also appear to be two journeys at 07.11 from Penpethy (perhaps Camelford) to Wadebridge, one in college holidays and one in school holidays. None on college days or school days but there are Callywith College buses from most places at around this time.

NPTI (who run the Traveline SW site) are aware of issues, which will be resolved in due course. It's just been a challenge for them too.

 

[MB162435]

https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/18271608.go-cornwall-returns-hourly-buses-helston-lizard/

Good to see a positive newspaper headline about both Kernow and GCB bus services for once

 

[fchd]

An interesting point I’ve noticed. First have deregistered the 93, and no citybus alternative. St Columb major appears to only have the 5 daily 95 services mentioned in the previous post

Us St Columb residents look to have really lost out here, losing our only direct connections to our nearest large-ish town Newquay, where a lot of residents work, go the hospital, schools, opticians, supermarkets etc. At present, when I need to catch a bus, I can catch a 93 at about 8:25 and get into Newquay even with a bit of slack for a late running bus ready to start work at 9:00

With the new setup, Traveline suggests a First Kernow 95, changing at Fraddon on to a Plymouth Citibus 91, with the first leg leaving St Columb at 7:20 and getting into Newquay at around 8:00 to hang around for an hour before work. As I highly doubt there will be any sort of combined fare ticket across the two operators, I assume costs are going to rise as well as inconvenience. Nothing else will get me into Newquay early enough.

A far cry from the days of Western Greyhound!

We do have another service (on college days only) to add to the 95, a First Kernow 213, but guess what, this, like the 95 goes from Truro to Wadebridge.

The 95 also finishes a lot earlier than the 93 does at present, there's a bus after 10pm at night from Newquay to St Columb which means you can have an evening out, go to the cinema, etc. and still get home. Unless I'm mistaken, the last chance to get out of Newquay towards St Columb under the new regime will be just before 6:00pm.

 

[richw]

Us St Columb residents look to have really lost out here, losing our only direct connections to our nearest large-ish town Newquay, where a lot of residents work, go the hospital, schools, opticians, supermarkets etc. At present, when I need to catch a bus, I can catch a 93 at about 8:25 and get into Newquay even with a bit of slack for a late running bus ready to start work at 9:00

With the new setup, Traveline suggests a First Kernow 95, changing at Fraddon on to a Plymouth Citibus 91, with the first leg leaving St Columb at 7:20 and getting into Newquay at around 8:00 to hang around for an hour before work. As I highly doubt there will be any sort of combined fare ticket across the two operators, I assume costs are going to rise as well as inconvenience. Nothing else will get me into Newquay early enough.

A far cry from the days of Western Greyhound!

We do have another service (on college days only) to add to the 95, a First Kernow 213, but guess what, this, like the 95 goes from Truro to Wadebridge.

The 95 also finishes a lot earlier than the 93 does at present, there's a bus after 10pm at night from Newquay to St Columb which means you can have an evening out, go to the cinema, etc. and still get home. Unless I'm mistaken, the last chance to get out of Newquay towards St Columb under the new regime will be just before 6:00pm.

Citybus are taking over the 95 from the staff briefing. There is a new timetable for them on Traveline. Citybus only show asoperating the 0800 91 from Newquay with First the rest in that direction. I think there was the first 2 journeys for citybus from memory Truro to Newquay. There is a 95 at 0720 from st Columb to Fraddon, the last Fraddon to st Columb shows as 1835.

 

[Busaholic]

Citybus are taking over the 95 from the staff briefing. There is a new timetable for them on Traveline. Citybus only show asoperating the 0800 91 from Newquay with First the rest in that direction. I think there was the first 2 journeys for citybus from memory Truro to Newquay. There is a 95 at 0720 from st Columb to Fraddon, the last Fraddon to st Columb shows as 1835.

I believe this was exactly what fchd was saying.

 

[Goldfish62]

A couple of new deliveries to PCB shown on FB and claimed to be for Cornwall are WA20DVH/J, 8.9m E200s in unbranded red.

 

[RELL6L]

NPTI (who run the Traveline SW site) are aware of issues, which will be resolved in due course. It's just been a challenge for them too.

I bet it has! They do a good job at Traveline putting complicated things together and, while it isn't perfect, its a vital way to present information now councils do so little. I expect they have been busy and will be for a while yet in Cornwall!

 

[RELL6L]

Us St Columb residents look to have really lost out here, losing our only direct connections to our nearest large-ish town Newquay, where a lot of residents work, go the hospital, schools, opticians, supermarkets etc. At present, when I need to catch a bus, I can catch a 93 at about 8:25 and get into Newquay even with a bit of slack for a late running bus ready to start work at 9:00

With the new setup, Traveline suggests a First Kernow 95, changing at Fraddon on to a Plymouth Citibus 91, with the first leg leaving St Columb at 7:20 and getting into Newquay at around 8:00 to hang around for an hour before work. As I highly doubt there will be any sort of combined fare ticket across the two operators, I assume costs are going to rise as well as inconvenience. Nothing else will get me into Newquay early enough.

A far cry from the days of Western Greyhound!

We do have another service (on college days only) to add to the 95, a First Kernow 213, but guess what, this, like the 95 goes from Truro to Wadebridge.

The 95 also finishes a lot earlier than the 93 does at present, there's a bus after 10pm at night from Newquay to St Columb which means you can have an evening out, go to the cinema, etc. and still get home. Unless I'm mistaken, the last chance to get out of Newquay towards St Columb under the new regime will be just before 6:00pm.

I've only just appreciated this. I cannot believe that St Columb Major is to be deprived of its 93 service by First - to allow a more frequent service on the slightly quicker 91 - leaving the town with only the 95 as a regular service two hourly to Truro and Wadebridge. Nothing to Newquay. If this is not an error then it is something Cornwall do need to address, adding as an absolute minimum a two hourly service via the present route 93 to give an hourly service from Truro to St Columb Major, to beef up the 91 service falling to hourly in the peaks, and to provide a couple of evening journeys. I stopped off at St Columb Major on a trip a couple of years ago and it was quite busy. It looks like an oversight in view of the improved services elsewhere - I hope.

 

[Lizard1324]

A couple of new deliveries to PCB shown on FB and claimed to be for Cornwall are WA20DVH/J, 8.9m E200s in unbranded red.

Link to the post?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Go Cornwall also have a 45 from Troon via Camborne to Pool, I hadn't noticed that before and there isn't a First Kernow 45 now. Is this part of the existing 47?

Not having been in the area for a couple of years (I once played on the Troon cricket ground in the dim and distant past), I see that First Kernow service 47 from Troon to Truro covers quite a number of locations en route. What are the loadings like on this service these days?