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WatcherZero

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BBC Story
Train operators accused of 'astronomical' fare rises
Friday, 7 May 2010 0:02 UK
Business reporter, BBC News

Some of the UK's biggest train operators are being accused of "astronomical" fare rises, as a result of extending peak-time hours.

The rail watchdog Passenger Focus says that some fares have nearly quadrupled since last year.

Train companies say that the number of people affected by such rises is "tiny".
South West Trains says only 8% of its services have been redesignated

Since January, over 180 trains a week have been rescheduled as "peak-time", a BBC survey found.

By redesignating trains as "peak", this allows train companies to increase fares without needing permission from the regulator.

Edward Welsh, of the Association of Train Operating Companies (Atoc), says the vast majority of travellers have seen fares fall, stay the same or rise below the rate of inflation.

"The average increase in fares this January was 1.1%. That's the lowest since privatisation 15 years ago," he says.

One train affected by the rises is the 0950 Virgin Trains service from Birmingham to London.

Last year this train was off peak. But after Virgin decided to extend ticket restrictions for more than an hour a day, it is now peak.

Commuter Antony Ray has seen his ticket price more than triple as a result of the changes, his fare from Telford to London has more than tripled from £45 to £158 for a return journey.

"It's crazy," he says. "You basically can't get down to London and get back in time for meetings. The car's much cheaper."

Last year, taking the 0915 from London Euston to Manchester, returning at 0855 the next day, would have cost £66.

Now that Virgin has extended its peak hours, the same ticket costs £262.

Anthony Smith, of Passenger Focus, says such rises are astronomical.

"Tinkering with ticket restrictions causes confusion. And if your journey has gone up by four times, you're going to feel you've been done," he says.

The changes

Our survey found that South West Trains, which runs commuter routes out of London Waterloo, has added 114 trains to its peak fares structure, as a result of putting all trains between 4pm and 7pm into the new category.

Virgin says passengers can save money by buying in advance Virgin has redesignated 75 trains a week as peak, as a result of extending peak hours by 35 minutes in the morning, and 28 minutes in the afternoon.

To get an off-peak service into London, passengers need to arrive in the capital after 11.30am.

The first Virgin off-peak service from Rugby is listed for 11.24am, meaning you would not arrive in London until after midday.

However on the East Coast mainline, which was taken over by the government last year, five trains a week have been reassigned the other way, from peak to off-peak.

Online savings

Both Virgin and South West Trains point out that the number of people affected by such rises is relatively small.

Virgin told the BBC that 3.4% of their services have been redesignated. The figure for South West Trains is 8%.

Virgin also pointed out that passengers can make considerable savings by buying their tickets in advance, and online.

An Atoc spokesman said: "Picking out fares that will only be paid by a very small proportion of customers, gives an incredibly partial impression of ticket prices.

"This year, thanks to the lowest fare rises since privatisation, the vast majority of people have seen fares fall, stay the same or rise below the rate of inflation."

Atoc also adds the train fares affected by peak-time hours being extended is a very small minority - under one per cent - of millions of journeys made daily on the railway network.

The changes in peak services are complex for passengers to understand. It is all too easy to get on a train with the wrong ticket, or to pay more than necessary.

Customers can hold the wrong tickets and potentially travel at the wrong time
So can they expect to get clear advice from railway staff?
Not according to the consumer magazine, Which?

In a survey last year, Which? found that one in three station staff gave out incorrect advice, and nearly half of National Rail Enquiries staff passed on the wrong information.

"That leads to customer confusion," says Matt Bath from the magazine. "Customers can hold the wrong tickets and potentially travel at the wrong time."

But Atoc disputes the findings of the Which? survey. It claims that independent research has found that 99% of the advice being given out is accurate.

Passenger Focus says the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Changing the rules?

Train operators are doing nothing wrong by redesignating trains as peak-time services.

And it does have one major advantage for them.

At the moment only off-peak fares are controlled by the regulator. So lengthening peak hours gives operators much more freedom to increase prices at will.

But given some rather more urgent priorities for the new UK government, there is unlikely to be immediate pressure to change the current rules - even though extending peak times means the operators will find it hard to duck the accusation that it is a very easy way to put up fares.
 
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I can't claim to have an overview of this on a national basis, but the whole story does rather smack of a BBC journalist being personally found on a train that was previously deemed off-peak that has now been re-designated.

The South West Trains changes that they make such a big thing of in the article are the evening peak restrictions applied to Super Off-Peak Day Returns from 4 Jan 2010. These affect a miniscule number of people, in the wider scheme of things and the gap between Super Off-Peak & Off Peak Day is a long way from 400%. Less than 2% of passengers use Super Off-Peak Day tickets and those that use them at weekends, or to destinations short of Clapham Junction from the south are not affected by the changes.
 

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The TOC's all want to maximise their revenue. They figure that some will still pay the peak price, whilst others will simply take the of peak trains. This will result in a bigger income flow, despite the fact that the train will be less busy. Indeed, quieter trains with more room to work is probably an extra benefit for those who will pay for the peak time travel. A side effect might of that might be less first class tickets sold for the peak trains, though.

The question for me is whether these moves will negatively impact on the industry as a whole. It doesn't really matter whether it is miniscule number of passengers that are affected. Anyone who is affected is going to be annoyed, and stories like these are the natural consequence. Moreover, anyone who suddenly has to travel at short notice and sees a price of £262 for Manchester to london, is likely to be put off travelling by train for ever. Moreover, they will tell most of their friends and colleagues, who, if they are not rail enthusaists, may well be put off from even enquiring into rail travel in the future.

And of course, as was mentioned, every change in restrictions causes genuine confusion. In addition to that, it does little to help the over complicated fares minefield that we currently have in this country.
 
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The idea that this affects a "tiny" or "miniscule" number of people is, to be quite frank, absolute rubbish. Some TOCs have been slowly doing this on many occasions, such that the difference between the fares at privatisation and now are absolutely astronomical.

An example was posted here by D6700 for York-Birmingham.

He did a journey that would have cost £33 (without a railcard) before XC messed with the fares, and now costs £95. This affects everyone who does that journey, because everyone is now asked for 3 times the price. Yes, people like us can split tickets and get the price down to £37.50 if we accept a 40 minute later arrival into Birmingham, however you have to really know your stuff (or ask on here) to do that. A casual passenger is asked for THREE TIMES the price. That is unacceptable.

Why are they allowed to do this, why is it within the rules? Because when the Conservatives privatised the railway they decided that fares would be "protected" and "regulated" in such a way that that they are, in fact, not protected by any sane definition of the word. Labour could have proposed legislation to have proper protection but they didn't, which is unacceptable, but let's not forget which party was responsible for the disgraceful way the railways were privatised in the first place. I hope that a new Government reverses this but I think it would be highly unlikely.
 

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let's not forget which party was responsible for the disgraceful way the railways were privatised in the first place. I hope that a new Government reverses this but I think it would be highly unlikely.

Here here.

That said, if we are going to be keeping the current system, I think peak/off peak restrictions are definately something which should be standardised across the network - at least for types of trains (such as Inter-City/local etc). It's frankly ludicrous that passengers are expected to know different types of time restriction as well as ticket for any TOC they may come across.
 

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Indeed, the concept of an evening peak is totally alien to my everyday experiences up north where whatever the form of transit peak always ends at 9:30.
 

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Here here.

That said, if we are going to be keeping the current system, I think peak/off peak restrictions are definately something which should be standardised across the network - at least for types of trains (such as Inter-City/local etc). It's frankly ludicrous that passengers are expected to know different types of time restriction as well as ticket for any TOC they may come across.

Totally agree.

Different franchises, I can see the point in, but we need to have some kind of agreement on "peak" hours, otherwise the public won't have a clue (and at this rate Virgin's "off peak" will be for half an hour at lunchtime!
 

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Off peak should be after 0900/0930 Peak before 0900/0930. No stupid confusing afternoon restrictions. End of.
 

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Totally agree.

Different franchises, I can see the point in, but we need to have some kind of agreement on "peak" hours, otherwise the public won't have a clue (and at this rate Virgin's "off peak" will be for half an hour at lunchtime!

It isn't just the public who haven't a clue - it's rail staff as well! There have been several threads on here where people have been charged (or attempted to be charged) more than what they should due to staff not knowing the restrictions on tickets.

The example provided by Yorkie/D6700 is an typical example. Thie ticket mentioned has, according to NFM68 which was valid from 4 January 1998, a restriction code of 8N which is described as:
"Valid as listed below MONDAYS -THURSDAYS and other "Off Peak" days
Outward Journey - Valid any train
Return Journey - Valid any train

Now, given there are currently 29 direct trains from York to Birmingham NS, and accepting that the Supersaver was replaced by the more expensive Saver, it is noticeable that the cheapest 'walk on' ticket between York and Birmingham at £48.90 is no longer valid on over 20% of the direct services, when it was valid on 100% of them 12 years ago.
 

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It isn't just the public who haven't a clue - it's rail staff as well! There have been several threads on here where people have been charged (or attempted to be charged) more than what they should due to staff not knowing the restrictions on tickets.

The example provided by Yorkie/D6700 is an typical example. Thie ticket mentioned has, according to NFM68 which was valid from 4 January 1998, a restriction code of 8N which is described as:
"Valid as listed below MONDAYS -THURSDAYS and other "Off Peak" days
Outward Journey - Valid any train
Return Journey - Valid any train

Now, given there are currently 29 direct trains from York to Birmingham NS, and accepting that the Supersaver was replaced by the more expensive Saver, it is noticeable that the cheapest 'walk on' ticket between York and Birmingham at £48.90 is no longer valid on over 20% of the direct services, when it was valid on 100% of them 12 years ago.

I thought the restrictions were complicated enough 10 years ago, given they were different from each London terminal, and that was before XC restrictions were thought of at all!

Just my opinion, but I think the differential between the highest and lowest fares on many flows is just far too great. There seem to a bewildering number off ares, both Fisrt Class and Standard Class, between London and Manchester as an example. It's no wonder both rail staff and customers are confused!
 
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